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CNN: campaign decision: spend in Florida or fire wall in Ohio (Original Post) flamingdem Oct 2012 OP
we'll do both. thanks for the concern, though. MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #1
Por favor I'm just reporting what they're saying flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
FYI - it's the I-4 corridor Divine Discontent Oct 2012 #36
All decisions get made this coming weekend. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #3
Spend a bit less in FL and put more in Ohio. Jennicut Oct 2012 #4
I will donate twice as much - they can do both Justice Oct 2012 #5
The campaign took out a loan - this is all so expensive but they're keeping up with that Koch flamingdem Oct 2012 #8
i got amborin Oct 2012 #32
Florida is a sneaky play for Obama Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #6
How come it always boils down to the I-5 corridor!! flamingdem Oct 2012 #7
North Florida and West Coast= RW, East Coast= LW I-4 between Tampa and the Coast is the swing area. JCMach1 Oct 2012 #29
Zogby? JiminyJominy Oct 2012 #9
They had one out last night with Obama up over Romney in FL by 5 points flamingdem Oct 2012 #15
It is not either/or. Florida is such a knockout blow for Obama he has to go for it as long as it is yellowcanine Oct 2012 #10
I love how the media MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #16
and why would the O campaign share this with CNN? Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #21
Isn't this just typical reporting for CNN? flamingdem Oct 2012 #27
I wonder why they did that, just creating news I guess, note that they also mentioned flamingdem Oct 2012 #23
This Cosmocat Oct 2012 #39
It's the MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #11
thanks! flamingdem Oct 2012 #18
I just hate the idea of putting all eggs in one basket (meaning OH) especially considering LisaL Oct 2012 #12
who is 'they're'? amborin Oct 2012 #13
Yeah, uninformative post with no context or source. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #19
It's pretty normal on DU to report on what the MSM is saying flamingdem Oct 2012 #28
Ok, I understand. Just saying Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #30
cool, it's crazy time at DU flamingdem Oct 2012 #31
GET CLINTON OUT IN CENTRAL FLORIDA smorkingapple Oct 2012 #14
Hm, strange timing of this statement Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #17
This was on CNN with the flashy maps, I thought it was interesting and nervewracking flamingdem Oct 2012 #20
oh so it MUST be true Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #22
And yes it has always been about Ohio Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #25
Campaigns have internall polling. LisaL Oct 2012 #26
No. MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #24
I don't think FL is a primary focus fujiyama Oct 2012 #33
And it does look like Mitt is spending time there flamingdem Oct 2012 #34
This is spot on Cosmocat Oct 2012 #40
I still think Obama wins FL Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #35
FL is the key to an early night re-election party. quaker bill Oct 2012 #37
Florida still has early voting, right? agentS Oct 2012 #38

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
36. FYI - it's the I-4 corridor
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:57 AM
Oct 2012

and it's +2 Dem usually. We're good to go in the SE of FL, and Central and Tampa area, it's the SW, E, and far north parts that we have trouble with. Being up 50.1 to 49.4 or such on election night with 40% counted is going to make me awfully gleeful - so hoping we see those numbers, if so, Ohio will just be icing. But, yeah, we need to go with the strongest, and spend there, but I think they're gonna have a little they can spend in FL to keep the Repubs honest here, and spending their own money here, instead of spending it all in OH and VA.


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Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
4. Spend a bit less in FL and put more in Ohio.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:07 AM
Oct 2012

FL is not needed. Ohio is most definitely needed unless Obama wants to make the swing state run of WI, IA, CO, NV and NH.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
8. The campaign took out a loan - this is all so expensive but they're keeping up with that Koch
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:12 AM
Oct 2012

etc. money, what a lift! We need to help of course.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
32. i got
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:17 AM
Oct 2012

An email saying we are $34 mill behind them.

Some website..kos or TPM or zero hedge or--has full list of all monies--campaigns, PACs, etc.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
6. Florida is a sneaky play for Obama
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:08 AM
Oct 2012

The media seems to have handed it to Romney. The polls have not. I have a feeling on election night Chuck Todd and the lot will be wondering where their predictions went wrong.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
7. How come it always boils down to the I-5 corridor!!
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:11 AM
Oct 2012

Yes Florida is so up and down, great poll from Zogby tomorrow but they're right leaning, you have to wonder if it was a psyche out to get the campaign to spend more in Florida -- such a stretch for Mitt in Ohio but boy they need it

JCMach1

(27,574 posts)
29. North Florida and West Coast= RW, East Coast= LW I-4 between Tampa and the Coast is the swing area.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:57 AM
Oct 2012

oversimplification, but basically true. There are other swing areas that Obama need to well in too, like Jacksonville.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
10. It is not either/or. Florida is such a knockout blow for Obama he has to go for it as long as it is
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:14 AM
Oct 2012

in play. And it is right now.This is mostly about turnout now, which is to a large extent in the hands of the local volunteers in each state.

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
16. I love how the media
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:17 AM
Oct 2012

is presenting a faux choice here. Obama has the ground game and money to compete everywhere he mapped out before the campaign season began. He doesn't have to readjust resources cause he is winning. If someone needs to launch a Hail Mary and try to drastically shake up the race, it's Romney.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
27. Isn't this just typical reporting for CNN?
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:25 AM
Oct 2012

I usually just watch MSNBC, but I just wrote a response .. realized that they mentioned Obama campaign took out a loan.. and that was a Republican talking point a few days ago.. no doubt to make them look weak.

Well I fell for it and thought it was "news" but even that doesn't appear to be neutral

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
23. I wonder why they did that, just creating news I guess, note that they also mentioned
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:23 AM
Oct 2012

at the same time that the Obama campaign took out a loan.

Thanks for commenting because NOW I'm thinking of course it's CNN worse than MSNBC .. so they got in a dig about the Obama campaign needing to take out a loan, and that was a talking point of the Romney campaign a few days ago.

AAARG

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
39. This
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:07 AM
Oct 2012

The President clearly has had to draw back a bit, he was on the run more so pre-first debate.

But, he still has a pretty solid lead in the over the 270 states in the midwest, and NV and NH.

He should absolutely keep pressing on Fl, Va, Co to provide a larger margin of victory.

Something has to happen to really threaten his hold in OH, IA and Wisky.

Short of that, he should put resources into ensuring things there, but press the battle to the next ring of states.

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
11. It's the
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:15 AM
Oct 2012

I-4 corridor. Obama will do quite well on the I-5 corridor in California.

And the reason it comes down to that is because it is the swing part of Florida. The Southeast of Florida is the large population center with Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. The northern part of the state (sans Duval County (Jax) and Leon County (Tallahassee)), is redneck south.

The part of the state that you win in is by winning the middle of the state, where I-4 cuts the state in half.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
12. I just hate the idea of putting all eggs in one basket (meaning OH) especially considering
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:15 AM
Oct 2012

Romney's son and voting machines.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
28. It's pretty normal on DU to report on what the MSM is saying
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:36 AM
Oct 2012

and it's not assumed

a. That you'll have a link for something you heard on TV
b. That you believe what has been said or are associated with pushing the information

FYI

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
30. Ok, I understand. Just saying
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:02 AM
Oct 2012

there was so little context it wasn't clear which campaign it's referring to - but I'm up to speed now.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
31. cool, it's crazy time at DU
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:09 AM
Oct 2012

and won't get any better for another few weeks!

Ohio and Florida make me nervous, but of course the trolls (and cnn so it appears) are all about that too.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
20. This was on CNN with the flashy maps, I thought it was interesting and nervewracking
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:21 AM
Oct 2012

They mentioned some strategy points for Romney too but I was too busy trying to remember these

It made me think about the Zogby poll - I sent it to my family they're working for Obama in Central FL
but haven't responded .. that's to give them hope .. then I thought ut oh zogby is right wing leaning
so maybe they're trying some psyche out thing - I distrust some polls at this point - so Obama spends
there instead of Ohio, Mitt wants Ohio.

Is it all about Ohio? Who knows.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
22. oh so it MUST be true
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:23 AM
Oct 2012

because it was on CNN flashy map. CNN, the pinnacle of journalistic integrity.

Gonna need a bit more solid evidence than that.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
33. I don't think FL is a primary focus
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:29 AM
Oct 2012

Their main focus is obviously Ohio and I don't think they're cutting corners there.

Personally I don't agree that FL should be conceded, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in the basket either. It's THE big swing state prize and effectively wins the election were Obama to take it (after all, it's worth as many EVs as NY). I think there's an outside chance of taking it, but OH, WI, IA, and NV are the biggies to solidify. Then NH. Then CO and VA. I think FL and NC would fall into place only after those others are won...That's my priority list. Maybe even up the focus on CO and VA if some of the others look stronger.

"Florida, because of its large population, is an expensive state to advertise in. And it is a state that probably does require a considerable advertising expenditure. Florida’s population is large, but not especially dense, spread out in a number of exurban and suburban communities throughout the state. It’s easier to reach voters through the airwaves there than by knocking on doors or appearing at campaign rallies."

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/oct-19-after-romney-gains-should-obama-concede-florida/#more-36396

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
34. And it does look like Mitt is spending time there
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:46 AM
Oct 2012

but so hard to believe retired people would buy into his plans.

Apparently Rick Scott has not helped. Is it all about I've got mine with the seniors there? The Jewish vote is probably still for Obama. The Latinos aren't as right wing.. must be the white male thing again but he just blew it on tough commander optics!

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
40. This is spot on
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:10 AM
Oct 2012

The over 270 states are Oh, IA and Wisky, along with NV and nh.

They seem to be in pretty good shape there, and it really is going to take something, an event or some kind of major gaffe, to really threaten those states. So, keep your eye on those and bring them home.

Then, make real runs at VA, CO, first, then FL, to provide a larger margin and force Romney to play defense, and then NC for the longshot.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
35. I still think Obama wins FL
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:09 AM
Oct 2012

Just a hunch I've had the entire cycle. If you think about it, Florida is probably Obama's best chance for a surprise. I see the potential for a win if the GOTV efforts are at a high level and on their game. The winning electorate is there for Obama. He simply needs to get it to the polls.

The media wants to split FL and OH because it feeds their horse race narrative.

I'm not sure where Chicago goes with FL but it would seem they will not concede the state.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
37. FL is the key to an early night re-election party.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 07:43 AM
Oct 2012

The ground game here is the answer. We out registered the R's 5:1. Get these people to the polls and it is done.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
38. Florida still has early voting, right?
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 07:50 AM
Oct 2012

Whomever is winning in early voting, and by what percentage per candidate, and what percentage of the electorate has voted already- that will tell you a lot about where the state will wind up.

If Obama is ahead over 60% in early voting, with 20% of the registered voters having already voted, then I think he's gonna win it.
Any lower than 60% or 20% and he may not win.

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