2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCNN: campaign decision: spend in Florida or fire wall in Ohio
They're spending 5 mill a week mostly I-5 corridor Orlando Tampa... but supposedly Romney has some momentum there.
They'll wait to see if the debate moves numbers.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)and it's +2 Dem usually. We're good to go in the SE of FL, and Central and Tampa area, it's the SW, E, and far north parts that we have trouble with. Being up 50.1 to 49.4 or such on election night with 40% counted is going to make me awfully gleeful - so hoping we see those numbers, if so, Ohio will just be icing. But, yeah, we need to go with the strongest, and spend there, but I think they're gonna have a little they can spend in FL to keep the Repubs honest here, and spending their own money here, instead of spending it all in OH and VA.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)FL is not needed. Ohio is most definitely needed unless Obama wants to make the swing state run of WI, IA, CO, NV and NH.
Justice
(7,188 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)etc. money, what a lift! We need to help of course.
An email saying we are $34 mill behind them.
Some website..kos or TPM or zero hedge or--has full list of all monies--campaigns, PACs, etc.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)The media seems to have handed it to Romney. The polls have not. I have a feeling on election night Chuck Todd and the lot will be wondering where their predictions went wrong.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)Yes Florida is so up and down, great poll from Zogby tomorrow but they're right leaning, you have to wonder if it was a psyche out to get the campaign to spend more in Florida -- such a stretch for Mitt in Ohio but boy they need it
JCMach1
(27,574 posts)oversimplification, but basically true. There are other swing areas that Obama need to well in too, like Jacksonville.
JiminyJominy
(340 posts)FlamingDem....Zogby has a new poll out tomorrow? And you know what its gonna look like?
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)in play. And it is right now.This is mostly about turnout now, which is to a large extent in the hands of the local volunteers in each state.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)is presenting a faux choice here. Obama has the ground game and money to compete everywhere he mapped out before the campaign season began. He doesn't have to readjust resources cause he is winning. If someone needs to launch a Hail Mary and try to drastically shake up the race, it's Romney.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)makes no sense.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)I usually just watch MSNBC, but I just wrote a response .. realized that they mentioned Obama campaign took out a loan.. and that was a Republican talking point a few days ago.. no doubt to make them look weak.
Well I fell for it and thought it was "news" but even that doesn't appear to be neutral
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)at the same time that the Obama campaign took out a loan.
Thanks for commenting because NOW I'm thinking of course it's CNN worse than MSNBC .. so they got in a dig about the Obama campaign needing to take out a loan, and that was a talking point of the Romney campaign a few days ago.
AAARG
Cosmocat
(14,574 posts)The President clearly has had to draw back a bit, he was on the run more so pre-first debate.
But, he still has a pretty solid lead in the over the 270 states in the midwest, and NV and NH.
He should absolutely keep pressing on Fl, Va, Co to provide a larger margin of victory.
Something has to happen to really threaten his hold in OH, IA and Wisky.
Short of that, he should put resources into ensuring things there, but press the battle to the next ring of states.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)I-4 corridor. Obama will do quite well on the I-5 corridor in California.
And the reason it comes down to that is because it is the swing part of Florida. The Southeast of Florida is the large population center with Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. The northern part of the state (sans Duval County (Jax) and Leon County (Tallahassee)), is redneck south.
The part of the state that you win in is by winning the middle of the state, where I-4 cuts the state in half.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)Romney's son and voting machines.
amborin
(16,631 posts)us or them?
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)and it's not assumed
a. That you'll have a link for something you heard on TV
b. That you believe what has been said or are associated with pushing the information
FYI
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)there was so little context it wasn't clear which campaign it's referring to - but I'm up to speed now.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)and won't get any better for another few weeks!
Ohio and Florida make me nervous, but of course the trolls (and cnn so it appears) are all about that too.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)CASE CLOSED...
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)source?
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)They mentioned some strategy points for Romney too but I was too busy trying to remember these
It made me think about the Zogby poll - I sent it to my family they're working for Obama in Central FL
but haven't responded .. that's to give them hope .. then I thought ut oh zogby is right wing leaning
so maybe they're trying some psyche out thing - I distrust some polls at this point - so Obama spends
there instead of Ohio, Mitt wants Ohio.
Is it all about Ohio? Who knows.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)because it was on CNN flashy map. CNN, the pinnacle of journalistic integrity.
Gonna need a bit more solid evidence than that.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)Why would Obama be interested in Zogby poll?
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)He will do both, effectively.
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)Their main focus is obviously Ohio and I don't think they're cutting corners there.
Personally I don't agree that FL should be conceded, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in the basket either. It's THE big swing state prize and effectively wins the election were Obama to take it (after all, it's worth as many EVs as NY). I think there's an outside chance of taking it, but OH, WI, IA, and NV are the biggies to solidify. Then NH. Then CO and VA. I think FL and NC would fall into place only after those others are won...That's my priority list. Maybe even up the focus on CO and VA if some of the others look stronger.
"Florida, because of its large population, is an expensive state to advertise in. And it is a state that probably does require a considerable advertising expenditure. Floridas population is large, but not especially dense, spread out in a number of exurban and suburban communities throughout the state. Its easier to reach voters through the airwaves there than by knocking on doors or appearing at campaign rallies."
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/oct-19-after-romney-gains-should-obama-concede-florida/#more-36396
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)but so hard to believe retired people would buy into his plans.
Apparently Rick Scott has not helped. Is it all about I've got mine with the seniors there? The Jewish vote is probably still for Obama. The Latinos aren't as right wing.. must be the white male thing again but he just blew it on tough commander optics!
Cosmocat
(14,574 posts)The over 270 states are Oh, IA and Wisky, along with NV and nh.
They seem to be in pretty good shape there, and it really is going to take something, an event or some kind of major gaffe, to really threaten those states. So, keep your eye on those and bring them home.
Then, make real runs at VA, CO, first, then FL, to provide a larger margin and force Romney to play defense, and then NC for the longshot.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Just a hunch I've had the entire cycle. If you think about it, Florida is probably Obama's best chance for a surprise. I see the potential for a win if the GOTV efforts are at a high level and on their game. The winning electorate is there for Obama. He simply needs to get it to the polls.
The media wants to split FL and OH because it feeds their horse race narrative.
I'm not sure where Chicago goes with FL but it would seem they will not concede the state.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)The ground game here is the answer. We out registered the R's 5:1. Get these people to the polls and it is done.
agentS
(1,325 posts)Whomever is winning in early voting, and by what percentage per candidate, and what percentage of the electorate has voted already- that will tell you a lot about where the state will wind up.
If Obama is ahead over 60% in early voting, with 20% of the registered voters having already voted, then I think he's gonna win it.
Any lower than 60% or 20% and he may not win.