2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy didn't Hillary just unequivocally say "yes"?
Scarborough pressed Clinton three times if she believed Bernie was "qualified" to be president, and each instance was meant with insinuation, aspersion, manufactured doubt, deflection, and innuendo. Just like Fox News, they lead you up to the point of what they want you to think/believe, and then 'let' the "viewer/voter decide." In addition, she stated flatly she's "not sure he even is" a Democrat, which would, in fact, suggest that he isn't qualified to run on the Democratic ticket (and would disqualify him from doing so). Where's the (manufactured) outrage from the Hillary camp there?
Here, how simple the exchange could've been:
"Secretary Clinton, do you believe this morning that Bernie Sanders is qualified and ready to be President?"
"Yes."
If she wanted to boost her own bona fides (as any candidate is wont to do), could've went with "Yes...but I'm the better option, and here's why..." Instead, we get a shiny new distraction featuring a fresh set of talking points for the day, ever so predictable righteous indignation, and after-the-fact high road-ing...all which will be forgotten in a week's (if not few days) time. So, congrats to the Clinton camp for getting the ball rolling and having something new to latch on to...squeeze as much juice out of it as you can and enjoy it while it lasts.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)nice title.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)So her M.O.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Expected. I see the talking point of the day is out...ah so 2008.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Is that how you see her?
Well, I guess that explains everything.
Oh lordy...how much longer is the Clinton campaign going to be in full bullshit mode?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Spin it however makes you feel better.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The Clinton camp leaked to CNN on Tuesday night that "Defeat him and disqualify him" would be their new push against Sanders.
So, yesterday--as they said they would--the Clinton camp made the rounds.
Hillary spent a great deal of time suggesting that Bernie wasn't a Democrat and that his plans to break up the big banks were inadequate.
Her surrogates were on a roll as well.
The Clinton camp certainly provoked all of this. That is fact.
Bernie was simply responding to non-stop attacks and mud slinging during Monday from the Clinton camp.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)Is she didn't have a problem with his qualifications until he started winning primaries back to back.
Now all of a sudden this crap happens.
Prediction: This is going to blow up in her face big time because it once again has the appearance of waffling and flipping opinions with how well she's polling/winning.
TM99
(8,352 posts)It is like performance art with you.
Yes, poor little old Clinton is the victim.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Sanders launched this unprovoked attack, and the OP suggests that it's HRC's fault for not caving into Scarbrough's ridiculous question. Bullshit.
You guys have elevated Sanders to some bizarre sainthood level, but, now that his flaws are glaring, the only way to maintain the saintly aura is to throw as much shit on Clinton as possible. We see it for what it is. Give up the charade.
The cult of personality is the Clinton camp alone.
Hey the media is just vetting her, right?
She questioned Obama's qualifications in 2008 as well. We remember. We don't forget. We are dead serious as well so that is why we fight this bullshit tooth and nail.
No charade here, keep up the bullshit, and we will push right back at ya!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Look around you. Maybe this place is so thick in Sanders insanity that you've lost track of what sanity is.
Have the last word.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Is it because she's a woman?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Not in this case. Sanders shot off his mouth in anger, and now he gets to live with it.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)How will she stand up to ISIS, or Putin... or girl scouts selling cookies???
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You people are spending a bazillion calories defending this foul temepered, mouthy, pedestrian career politician.
You want him as your hero? He's all yours.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That sure as hell isn't Hillary.
Bernie isn't my hero, he is just the one who has earned my vote.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Are you insane???
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Hillary would do better without her focus grouped advice. They give her some really awful advice lately...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I have a sense of not really knowing who Hillary Clinton actually is. Not exactly confidence-inspiring...
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)And I blame that on her advisors more than Hillary herself.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Wow. What other bad advisers will she pick, if she becomes president?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Her demands for her speeches to Wall Street banksters.
bvf
(6,604 posts)On second thought, she'd waffle on that, so as not to risk losing the puppy-hating demographic.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)It is really sad.
more smears.
BeyondGeography
(39,386 posts)The question was posed in the context of his painfully inept Daily News interview. She can be excused for not stepping on that story by saying he's qualified. It was well done; she made her points without saying, quote/unquote, that he is unqualified.
It's not her job to prop him up in hard times.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)repeatedly ask that question and let H "artfully dodge" responsibility.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)That is just too crazy for words.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)The people that cut Joe's extremely large paychecks have donated millions over the years to the Clintons and are, therefore, invested in having her elected. If you think the higher ups wouldn't use Joe to boost the Clintons & that Joe wouldn't do it, you haven't been paying attention to MSNBC lately.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Uhm...ok.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)They want Hillary over Sanders because he is a threat to their profits. Hillary is a corporatist and will help them in the long run. They know that any Democrat will defeat the GOP in the GE. If they didn't think so, why have the executives of Comcast donated so much to her campaign as individuals and her PACs as a corporation, if they weren't backing her?
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)before letting Trump become the POTUS?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Why would Comcast and that corporation's executives have invested so much money if they didn't think they would get a return on their investment. Sure, you can say that the executives, as individuals, may just support Clinton. But Comcast, has a fiduciary duty to earn money for its shareholders -- which makes it hard to explain why Comcast would donate to her PACs if it wouldn't earn the Corp money.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)going to go out of their way to assist someone who could beat their preferred candidate.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)If you look at MSNBC's history of firing the talking heads that don't stick with the company lines indicates to me otherwise. See, e.g., Phil Donahue (for speaking against the Iraq War), Ed Shultz (for speaking out against TPP), etc.
DookDook
(166 posts)LexVegas
(6,115 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The Sanders campaign has never been about opposition to the idea of a female president.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Yet, she artfully plays either card. Strong Feminist or Female Victim. Both seem to somehow fit into her repertoire as needef.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Being that she lacks foresight and courage to act without seeing them.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)qualified. She was just trying to point people in that direction.
Being a long-time relatively unproductive member of congress, who can not clearly articulate the nuts and bolts behind his talking points...and running in a party that he just recently joined are all big red flags.
She has not attacked Bernie at all, and since so many people are willing to buy into his sound bites without doing the legwork required to validate them, he was doing better than expected. Any smart politician would change their approach at this point.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.."
There's a history here of this sort of equivocation from Clinton.
ecstatic
(32,748 posts)At the time, senator Obama's resume was pretty thin compared to hers, but unlike Bernie, candidate Obama was brilliant, thoughtful, and demonstrated intellectual curiosity and competence in almost all areas.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... she can't acknowledge that as well? No, in her little 'it's MY turn' mind, she can't.
SMDH.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Sad to see you being soo disingenuous.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)SHE SAID IT:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-2016-213560
AND MORE:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/clinton-isnt-sure-that-sanders-is-a-democrat.html
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)so that she could play the victim when anything like reciprocation occurred, for the attention you noted
That's better than dealing with NYDN shit story falling apart, or her hosting the moneyboys at a big fundraiser
Martin Eden
(12,880 posts)There are varying degrees of qualifications, and one candidate may be more qualified in one area while another is more qualified in a different area.
On the other hand, certain things should disqualify a candidate -- like any number of things that have come out of the mouth of Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Here's Hillary Clinton refusing to say that Obama or Edwards was qualified in 2008, in the first 30 seconds of this video:
Bill Clinton couldn't bring himself to say that Obama was qualified in 2008 even after he won the Democratic nomination.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)So I need to correct the comment I made in my previous post, it's only other Democrats that the Clintons refuse to acknowledge are qualified to be President.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-campaign-clinton-idUSBRE85003R20120601
<Former President Bill Clinton believes a candidate with Republican Mitt Romney's business success and political background is qualified for the White House, but he said Democratic President Barack Obama would be a better choice for the country.
"There is no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold," Clinton said of Romney in an interview with CNN on Thursday.>
riversedge
(70,350 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Since the human animal is imitative by nature, saying that someone is repeating a meme it's the same as describing somebody as a 'human being.' I don't know if you were simply repeating language that a Bernie supporter used, because I've seen it several times today by both sides, but I do think my point stands and this 'meme' accusation is kind of entertaining, don't you think?
mythology
(9,527 posts)She should have said he is. You can argue about his policies or temperament, but he clearly meets the constitutional requirements.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I don't think American workers, working 2 jobs just to make ends meet, are really going to care whether or not she actually said the word or not.
They know which candidate is known for being a liar and which one is known for telling the truth. It's in all those "trustworthiness" polls. Hillary is down at the bottom and Bernie is at the top.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Her answer, "He is not a Muslim as far as I know."
kiva
(4,373 posts)Sound familiar?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I can though. Hillary is unqualified to be President of the United States. I don't have to couch that in weasel words.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)OR if she should tell the truth...whatever it was...
because after the third question, time was up....
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Not unless there is no other choice.