2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNY Times: Hillary Pushed Obama to Bomb Libya, Leaving It A Failed State & ISIS Haven
This is how Hillary pushed Obama---against his better inclination----to bomb Libya. Part of her neocon perspective, and no doubt influenced by Kissinger, her self-proclaimed role model.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
New York Times Feb 28, 2016
Hllary Clinton's Smart Power and A Dictator's Fall
In her suite at the Westin, she and Mr. Jibril, a political scientist with a doctorate from the University of Pittsburgh, spoke at length about the fast-moving military situation in Libya. But Mrs. Clinton was clearly also thinking about Iraq, and its hard lessons for American intervention.
The Libya Gamble
An examination of the American intervention in Libya and Hillary Clintons role in it.
Did the oppositions Transitional National Council really represent the whole of a deeply divided country, or just one region? What if Colonel Qaddafi quit, fled or was killed did they have a plan for what came next?
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Mrs. Clinton was won over. Opposition leaders said all the right things about supporting democracy and inclusivity and building Libyan institutions, providing some hope that we might be able to pull this off, said Philip H. Gordon, one of her assistant secretaries. They gave us what we wanted to hear. And you do want to believe.
Her conviction would be critical in persuading Mr. Obama to join allies in bombing Colonel Qaddafis forces.
In fact, Mr. Obamas defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, would later say that in a 51-49 decision, it was Mrs. Clintons support that put the ambivalent president over the line.
The consequences would be more far-reaching than anyone imagined, leaving Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven, a place where the direst answers to Mrs. Clintons questions have come to pass.
This is the story of how a woman whose Senate vote for the Iraq war may have doomed her first presidential campaign nonetheless doubled down and pushed for military action in another Muslim country. As she once again seeks the White House, campaigning in part on her experience as the nations chief diplomat, an examination of the intervention she championed shows her at what was arguably her moment of greatest influence as secretary of state
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Here's what we have in Libya Today:
The self-described Islamic State, also known as ISIS, has long been making a push to capitalize on the chaos in Libya.
For over a year, it has carried out terror attacks, taken over territory and released propaganda from its franchise in Libya. Now, a new assessment from the Pentagon states the number of ISIS fighters in Libya has doubled since the fall to over 5,000, spurring fresh debate among security officials over the possibility of foreign intervention.
Analysts and officials worry that Libya is increasingly becoming a sort of fallback option for ISIS as it loses territory and power in Syria and Iraq.
If we look at the raw numbers, the presence of ISIS is definitely strengthening and growing. I think the security threat they pose is definitely going up, Riccardo Fabiani, senior North Africa analyst at political risk research firm Eurasia Group, told The WorldPost.
The threat ISIS presents in Libya is different than in other nations, and is related both to the group's changing capabilities and to the country's ongoing instability
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-presence-in-libya_us_56b369e2e4b08069c7a6352f
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Hillary Strengthened ISIS in Libya:
Hillary Clintons Failed Libya Doctrine
Exclusive: Libya remains a nation shattered by political chaos and bloody terrorism, a result of the U.S.-backed regime change in 2011 that Secretary of State Clinton championed and once saw as her crowning foreign policy achievement, even the basis for a Clinton Doctrine, reports Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton fancied the violent 2011 regime change in Libya such a triumph that her aides discussed labeling it the start of a Clinton Doctrine, according to recently released emails that urged her to claim credit when longtime Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was deposed. And Clinton did celebrate when Gaddafi was captured and murdered.
We came; we saw; he died, Clinton exulted in a TV interview after receiving word of Gaddafis death on Oct. 20, 2011, though it is not clear how much she knew about the grisly details, such as Gaddafi being sodomized with a knife before his execution.
Ousted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi shortly before he was murdered on Oct. 20, 2011.
Since then, the cascading Libyan chaos has turned the regime change from a positive notch on Clintons belt and into a black mark on her record. That violence has included the terrorist slaying of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other U.S. diplomatic personnel in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, and jihadist killings across northern Africa, including the Islamic States decapitation of a group of Coptic Christians last February.
It turns out that Gaddafis warning about the need to crush Islamic terrorism in Libyas east was well-founded although the Obama administration cited it as the pretext to justify its humanitarian intervention against Gaddafi. The vacuum created by the U.S.-led destruction of Gaddafi and his army drew in even more terrorists and extremists, forcing the United States and Western nations to abandon their embassies in Tripoli a year ago.
One could argue that those who devised and implemented the disastrous Libyan regime change the likes of Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power should be almost disqualified from playing any future role in U.S. foreign policy. Instead, Clinton is the Democratic frontrunner to succeed Barack Obama as President and Power was promoted from Obamas White House staff to be U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations where she is at the center of other dangerous U.S. initiatives in seeking regime change in Syria and pulling off regime change in Ukraine......
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/01/hillary-clintons-failed-libya-doctrine/
U.S. and Allies Weigh Military Action Against ISIS in Libya ...
www.nytimes.com/.../us-and-allies-said-to-plan-milita...The New York Times
Jan 22, 2016 - WASHINGTON Worried about a growing threat from the Islamic State in Libya, the United States and its allies are increasing reconnaissance ...
Five years after Gaddafi, Libya torn by civil war and battles with Isis
The Guardian? - 21 hours ago
Libya marks the fifth anniversary of its revolution with the country torn by civil war and Isis ...
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Iraqi civilians, US troops, Honduran children, decapitated journalists.
It's an impressive resumé.
#OnHerHands
amborin
(16,631 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sid Blumenthal was providing intel to her --- at the same time Blumenthal was ginning up private business interests in Libya. And the intel Blumenthal provided was flawed.
And Blumenthal had been banned by Obama from advising Hillary. She hid Blumenthal's communications from Obama on her private server.
amborin
(16,631 posts)senz
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senz
(11,945 posts)then surely she would support suing U.S. weapons manufacturers for deaths resulting from the weapons whose transfer she enabled in return for huge donations to the Clinton Foundation.
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
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