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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:05 PM Apr 2016

How come Bernie Sanders never said John Kerry was unqualified to be President?

Kerry voted for the IWR, and he's voted for trade agreements, and he used super pacs.

Or Biden, when he ran in 2008? Biden also voted for the IWR, has supported Trade agreements and used super pacs.

So what's different about Hillary, other than the fact that women are never qualified enough to suit some men?

And no, the answer is NOT some version of "Hillary said it first." Hillary REFUSED to say Bernie was unqualified, despite being pressed three times by a reporter to say it.


From Mediaite:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-lied-hillary-clinton-actually-refused-to-call-him-unqualified-three-times/

Mediaite: Bernie lied! Hillary actually refused to call him unqualified – three times.

Democratic presidential candidate and independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has initiated a mass fainting spell among the political media by rattling off a list of reasons why he considers rival candidate and current frontrunner Hillary Clinton “not qualified to be president.” The attack has also galvanized Hillary’s supporters, who have responded with the trending hashtag #HillarySoQualified. Unlike a lot of pundits, I’m not that bothered by the charge, I love a smash-mouth campaign, and if it is indeed to be on like Donkey Kong, Hillary Clinton can handle herself.

What is a problem, though, is that Bernie Sanders launched his attack by first telling a big, fat, insane lie about Hillary. Here’s the full context of Bernie’s remarks, but pay close attention to the first part:

As Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon noted on Twitter, Hillary never said that, but it’s actually worse than that. Hillary Clinton not only never said that, she actually was aggressively pressed to say that exact thing, three different times in a row, and like some kind of reverse-Apostle Peter, refused each time:

Now, there are actually some Sanders supporters pointing out, with a straight face, that she also didn’t say he is qualified, or that what she did say wasn’t exactly a compliment, but I’ve got news for you guys: Hillary Clinton is Bernie’s political opponent, it is not her job to compliment him. It also doesn’t change the fact that she did not say what he directly quoted her as saying.



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How come Bernie Sanders never said John Kerry was unqualified to be President? (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2016 OP
ask these guys SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #1
George wallace How many clinton surrogates know who this racist motherfucker is . RATM435 Apr 2016 #69
hard to believe SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #90
There is a photo of John Kerry (who supports Hillary) with John Lennon... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #105
Perhaps because Kerry and his surrogates nichomachus Apr 2016 #2
THIS would be my guess too. Bob41213 Apr 2016 #100
Political opportunism Dem2 Apr 2016 #3
On all sides NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
John Kerry is a male. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #4
Bingo. pnwmom Apr 2016 #8
Oh please! n/t Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #16
Any criticism of Hillary is automatically a sexist criticism. Got it. JudyM Apr 2016 #67
OMG revbones Apr 2016 #23
Really. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #43
It's been over-used here and it loses some of its legitimacy in doing so. nt revbones Apr 2016 #50
Ugly is as ugly does. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #30
Lazy sex baiting response. morningfog Apr 2016 #72
Lol jack_krass Apr 2016 #82
The problem with this gendered argument, as all--they only have negative effects on women. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #104
Because the W.P. Never ran headlines saying that Kerry had said that Bernie was unqualifided awake Apr 2016 #5
Bernie's problem is he only reads headlines and speaks in headlines. pnwmom Apr 2016 #10
What ever enjoy the rest of the night awake Apr 2016 #13
Did Kerry give a 19 minute speech sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #7
Hillary didn't. She spoke in favor of a IWR that she mistakenly thought would only be used pnwmom Apr 2016 #9
She makes an awful lot of mistakes. frylock Apr 2016 #15
She is the queen Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #102
She was also involved in Syria, Libya, Honduras, Afghanistan Doctor_J Apr 2016 #41
Blah, blah, blah. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #48
Are you one of Hillary's speech writers? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #54
That may be the most logical reply I've ever seen from that poster. frylock Apr 2016 #79
One person's critical issues are another's blah blah blah I guess Doctor_J Apr 2016 #83
Hillary has very poor Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #55
"Mistakenly thought" dflprincess Apr 2016 #75
"doesn’t change the fact that she did not say what he directly quoted her as saying. " seabeyond Apr 2016 #11
because Kerry didn't say he (Sanders) was unqualified JI7 Apr 2016 #12
ironic that her saying he didn't do his homework led to him lashing out rashly geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14
no it was him thinking she actually said "unqualified" JI7 Apr 2016 #18
He shouldn't have been "thinking." He should have checked the facts before spouting off. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #21
That is the real difference between Clinton and Sanders as POLITICAL candidates.... revmclaren Apr 2016 #36
yes, because he didn't do his homework and read past the headline nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #35
i blame it on weaver and Devine JI7 Apr 2016 #38
yet he has them out there doubling and tripling down on this geek tragedy Apr 2016 #44
Isn't it though! Lucinda Apr 2016 #93
And he thought that because the Washinton Post said that she said it awake Apr 2016 #17
That was how they paraphrased it. Anyone with any sense would check the actual text pnwmom Apr 2016 #24
Hillary didn't say that. Sanders should apologize but of course he won't. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #19
Yeah, that's it, everybody cares about the word on your side, not about the substance. revbones Apr 2016 #25
Bernie didn't care enough about the substance to read past the false headline. pnwmom Apr 2016 #39
It's just hilarious you guys are all up in arms over the word "unqualified" revbones Apr 2016 #46
You're ignoring my OP while you answer it. Very strange. pnwmom Apr 2016 #52
The OP is pretty stupid. revbones Apr 2016 #57
Hillary NEVER said he was unqualified and didn't IMPLY he was unqualified. pnwmom Apr 2016 #58
Oh whatever. She certainly did. revbones Apr 2016 #59
She wasn't being passive aggressive. She was merely refusing to directly answer pnwmom Apr 2016 #60
Oh really? Did she say "I refuse to answer such a silly question"? revbones Apr 2016 #61
Her answer was fine. Bernie should have read her actual words instead of just a headline. pnwmom Apr 2016 #63
So no, she didn't refuse to answer the question then did she? revbones Apr 2016 #64
Completely selfish reasons. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #20
Pre Citizens United Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #22
She didn't imply that he wasn't qualified. She directed the reporter's attention pnwmom Apr 2016 #26
She was asked 3 times if she thought he was qualified and she didn't say yes. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #68
It wasn't her job to compliment him. She directed the reporter's attention to specifics about issues pnwmom Apr 2016 #74
Stating a fact is not giving a compliment. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #81
And she stated facts. She just avoided being drawn by the reporter pnwmom Apr 2016 #84
Legally, each of them are qualified. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #86
Let me manage this for you Prism Apr 2016 #27
No, that is a very poor analogy. They weren't asking her if he had done some terrible thing. pnwmom Apr 2016 #45
Oh please. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #80
It was the opposite. She wouldn't give them what they wanted, pnwmom Apr 2016 #85
Oh please. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #88
Nope, she didn't give an inch. But they took it anyway. And then Bernie looked gullible pnwmom Apr 2016 #89
Obviously we see it differently. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #96
Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #47
Because Kerry wasn't as odious as Clinton ibegurpard Apr 2016 #28
If the HRC supporters don't know sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #29
Hillary joined Obama's campaign and worked very hard for him. pnwmom Apr 2016 #32
I'm sure he will if he does. But he hasn't yet. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #51
Did Kerry claim anyone was unqualified to run? davidn3600 Apr 2016 #31
He said it about Donald trump JI7 Apr 2016 #34
Kerry is a man. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #33
I forget. what year did Sanders run against Kerry in the primary? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #37
Because he didn't make as many bad judgements Jarqui Apr 2016 #40
Kerry is male... soooooo uponit7771 Apr 2016 #42
Nope. Lazy response. morningfog Apr 2016 #71
I don't believe Sanders is a unique politician and don't listen to podium birds so... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #73
He wasn't running against John Kerry KingFlorez Apr 2016 #49
Because it wasn't in Sander's duty to himself The Second Stone Apr 2016 #53
Maybe because Kerry didn't argue that Sanders was unqualified? Or because Marr Apr 2016 #56
Hillary never said that he wasn't qualified. Some headline writer used those words pnwmom Apr 2016 #62
She argued that he's unqualified, whether she personally used the word 'unqualified' or not. Marr Apr 2016 #78
ummmm. maybe because John Kerry didn't attack him first? RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #65
It was HC's team that made the original "threat" TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #66
He wasn't attacked by Kerry as his opponent. Easy question. morningfog Apr 2016 #70
Because John Kerry never said 'Disqualify Him, Defeat Him, Unify Party Later' about Sanders Matariki Apr 2016 #76
Link to Hillary saying that? We'll wait. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #94
I'm going with he wasn't running against Kerry or Press Virginia Apr 2016 #77
And the 1992 presidential candidate and liberal icon Tom Harkin also voted for the Iraq resolution. CBHagman Apr 2016 #87
He wasn't running against Kerry choie Apr 2016 #91
Because Sanders wasn't running against Kerry or Biden mythology Apr 2016 #92
Why didn't Hillary say that when Kerry took over at the State Dept? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #95
Why did tad devine defend John Kerry's vote on the IRW? Cha Apr 2016 #97
You guys never miss a chance to drag out the old "sexism" card. Vinca Apr 2016 #98
Because Bernie was not Kerry's primary rival and because Kerry never said ignorant crap like this: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #99
As far as the Wall Street money, it's quite a bit different now than before the 2007 crash. brewens Apr 2016 #101
BS is a typical political opportunist as he wasn't running for president against... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #103
MIIIISOOOOGEEEENNNNNYYYYYYYY TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #106

dubyadiprecession

(5,720 posts)
105. There is a photo of John Kerry (who supports Hillary) with John Lennon...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

in the early 70'S. By your insinuation, John Lennon would somehow support Hillary if he was still alive.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
2. Perhaps because Kerry and his surrogates
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

Weren't attacking Bernie and telling lies about him.

Kerry was much more professional than the slash-and-burn Clintonists.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
100. THIS would be my guess too.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

That and dancing around calling him unqualified. But maybe it's because he hates women and holds them to a different standard (sarcasm).

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
104. The problem with this gendered argument, as all--they only have negative effects on women.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

.



While, pnwmom and you think you are coming to the defense of HRC, studies from the only university specializing in women in politics, the Rutgers-Eagleton Center for American Women and Politics, has compiled research showing that any gendered attack, whether it's to highlight looks, family, begin a woman or man--only has negative effects on one candidate, the female candidate.



You can trash a man's looks, this manner of speech, anything about their physical being and there will be no negative impact at the polls, for a woman, it hurts them by 5 percentage points.



So, you might want to spend a week over at the following site and learn something. If would be better if you have an EDU account and can look at more peer-research as JSTOR and other sites:

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/



.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
10. Bernie's problem is he only reads headlines and speaks in headlines.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

The details for him are unimportant.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
9. Hillary didn't. She spoke in favor of a IWR that she mistakenly thought would only be used
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

to force inspections and to avoid war.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
15. She makes an awful lot of mistakes.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

How many more apologies will we be treated to after a second Clinton presidency?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
41. She was also involved in Syria, Libya, Honduras, Afghanistan
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

the Clinton Foundation shenanigans, DOMA, DADT, TPP, NAFTA, and other conservative causes.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
54. Are you one of Hillary's speech writers?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

Your reply sounds like something one might hear her say

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
83. One person's critical issues are another's blah blah blah I guess
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

blabh blah blah female blah blah blah years of experience blah blah blah electable blah blah blah socialist

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
75. "Mistakenly thought"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

every last one of those who voted for it knew just what they were doing.

The only mistaken thought Hillary had about that vote was that is would make her look tough if she voted to send other people's kids to die for her political career.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. "doesn’t change the fact that she did not say what he directly quoted her as saying. "
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

This is the way one uses quotes. Lol.

Thanks for the article. Right on.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
12. because Kerry didn't say he (Sanders) was unqualified
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

And Sanders thinks that's what Hilary said about him even though she didn't.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. ironic that her saying he didn't do his homework led to him lashing out rashly
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

because he didn't do his homework

revmclaren

(2,528 posts)
36. That is the real difference between Clinton and Sanders as POLITICAL candidates....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton has working experience in all things political. Sanders is a pure reactionist.

Clinton is winning...Sanders is reacting in the only way he knows how. That is why she WILL win.

A vicious circle with only one logical outcome.

Congrats Madam President.



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
44. yet he has them out there doubling and tripling down on this
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

despite the fact that they fed him bad information.

At some point, a candidate's fitness to lead is reflected in who they trust to be their senior advisors and leaders.

Hillary's 2008 campaign showed, quite honestly, that she was not ready for the Oval Office. It was a dysfunctional shitshow headed up by Wormtongue himself, Mark Penn.

She's much better this time out.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
24. That was how they paraphrased it. Anyone with any sense would check the actual text
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

before spouting off in reaction like that.

Headline writers are known for exaggerating and twisting content to get more readers.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
25. Yeah, that's it, everybody cares about the word on your side, not about the substance.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

Nevermind all the crap that she said indicating he wasn't qualified or a democrat - he actually used the word! Oh noes!

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
39. Bernie didn't care enough about the substance to read past the false headline.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

All she said was that he hadn't done his homework on that issue. That does NOT equate to him not being a qualified candidate.

And what she said about his only recently changing to being a Democrat is true.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
46. It's just hilarious you guys are all up in arms over the word "unqualified"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:38 PM
Apr 2016

rather than why he said she was "unqualified". Sort of speaks volumes about how there's no talking point to cover up those faults he exposed huh?

Who really cares about when he was a Democrat? That's kind of childish and ridiculous. Repeating it just says "Hey, I don't care about policies, positions, principles, actions and honesty. I just care about a magic letter behind the name."

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
52. You're ignoring my OP while you answer it. Very strange.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

He said she was unqualified because she voted for the IWR, and supports trade agreements, and had super pacs.

I pointed out that John Kerry had done all those things but Bernie never said HE was unqualified. Same with Joe Biden.

But Bernie only turns on the woman.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
57. The OP is pretty stupid.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie's answer was to a question about Hillary calling him unqualified. Get John Kerry to imply he was unqualified and then get a reporter to ask Bernie about it. You might get your answer then...

No, he turns on the one attacking him as it should be. That you tried to say it was sexist just shows your own incompetance and that you have no real desire to discuss anything legitimately. You just want to repeat talking points. Sad. Truly sad.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
58. Hillary NEVER said he was unqualified and didn't IMPLY he was unqualified.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

She repeatedly directed the reporter's attention to specifics and issues.

But Bernie didn't bother to read past the false headlines. He just jumped on her.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
59. Oh whatever. She certainly did.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:50 PM
Apr 2016

In the same passive agressive way she couldn't deny Obama wasn't a Muslim or when she couldn't say she wouldn't lie. You think those questions were scripted??? There have been stories after stories about how scripted her interviews are.

She declares war on him saying they will "disqualify" him.
She conducts that scripted interview
Her communications director comes out questioning his qualifications
They leaks stories about it, even questioning whether he's a democrat

and you're hung up over whether she actually said the word rather than every synonym in the thesaurus for the word.

She deserves it. If she can't handle being "vetted" as you guys say, she should drop out.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
60. She wasn't being passive aggressive. She was merely refusing to directly answer
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

the reporter's stupid questions and pointing him to specifics.

And there is no evidence that this interview was "scripted." What a crock.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
63. Her answer was fine. Bernie should have read her actual words instead of just a headline.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

He went off half-cocked, and that is a bad quality in President.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
64. So no, she didn't refuse to answer the question then did she?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

Going off half-cocked is a bad quality in a president? Guess you didn't see the video of her and the Greenpeace activist...

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
26. She didn't imply that he wasn't qualified. She directed the reporter's attention
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

to specifics and issues, not to any global assessment of his qualifications.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
68. She was asked 3 times if she thought he was qualified and she didn't say yes.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

This is the same crap she pulled when asked about Obama being a Muslim.


She is incapable of learning from her own mistakes. Considering what some of those mistakes have been, that is terrifying.





pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
74. It wasn't her job to compliment him. She directed the reporter's attention to specifics about issues
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

Which is what they both should be talking about.

From Mediaite:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-lied-hillary-clinton-actually-refused-to-call-him-unqualified-three-times/


What is a problem, though, is that Bernie Sanders launched his attack by first telling a big, fat, insane lie about Hillary. Here’s the full context of Bernie’s remarks, but pay close attention to the first part: (video)

As Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon noted on Twitter, Hillary never said that, but it’s actually worse than that. Hillary Clinton not only never said that, she actually was aggressively pressed to say that exact thing, three different times in a row, and like some kind of reverse-Apostle Peter, refused each time: (video)

Now, there are actually some Sanders supporters pointing out, with a straight face, that she also didn’t say he is qualified, or that what she did say wasn’t exactly a compliment, but I’ve got news for you guys: Hillary Clinton is Bernie’s political opponent, it is not her job to compliment him. It also doesn’t change the fact that she did not say what he directly quoted her as saying.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
81. Stating a fact is not giving a compliment.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

Nor is it an attack.

Why is it that Clinton supporters can't grasp that?


pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
84. And she stated facts. She just avoided being drawn by the reporter
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

into a discussion of overall qualifications, preferring to discuss specific issues.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
86. Legally, each of them are qualified.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

She could have gone there but choose not to.

Foolish mistake from a terrible candidate.



 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
27. Let me manage this for you
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

"Is Bernie Sanders a child molester?"

Well, no. I mean, maybe he made eyes at some kids and spent a lot of time alone with them. I can't say what happened, really, but he was, perhaps, a bit too affectionate with all those hugs and touching.

"Uh, is he a child molester?"

No! But sometimes he wanted some cuddles. And you know those boy shorts and things. And no one really asked him how he felt about Jonathan Taylor Thomas . . .

"Is Bernie diddling kids?"

I never said so. I just don't particularly think I'd personally leave him in charge of a kindergarten . .



We're fucking adults. Do you think this shit plays?

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
45. No, that is a very poor analogy. They weren't asking her if he had done some terrible thing.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

They were asking her to speak to whether he was qualified, and she wanted to only speak about specifics and issues -- not some global judgment on how qualified he was.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
80. Oh please.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

They gave her a chance to say things they could hang a headline on, and of course she did so.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
85. It was the opposite. She wouldn't give them what they wanted,
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

as proven by the fact they asked her three times, so they used the headline they wanted anyway.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
89. Nope, she didn't give an inch. But they took it anyway. And then Bernie looked gullible
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

or deceptive saying that Hillary said he was "quote unquote unqualified."

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
29. If the HRC supporters don't know
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

what innuendoes are, or "wink wink" hints, then
you guys must be tone impaired.

I know that you refuse to remember 08, but for
me it strikes home. I just wait for a repeat of
the "Shame on you Obama, Shame on you"
with a different name inserted.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
32. Hillary joined Obama's campaign and worked very hard for him.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

Whatever happened during the campaign, they've healed those wounds.

Let's hope Bernie also takes the high road after he loses.

Jarqui

(10,129 posts)
40. Because he didn't make as many bad judgements
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

Because he didn't lie and flip-fop as much
Because he had a heck of a lot more practical experience than she did.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
73. I don't believe Sanders is a unique politician and don't listen to podium birds so...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

... reality doesn't suck

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
49. He wasn't running against John Kerry
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

It's fairly clear that most of what Sanders says is based on political expedience.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
56. Maybe because Kerry didn't argue that Sanders was unqualified? Or because
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:43 PM
Apr 2016

he never ran against Kerry in a campaign, and had Kerry's campaign openly broadcast their intention to 'disqualify him' the night before those arguments began?

You aren't doing yourselves any favors crying 'sexism' over garbage like this. It looks pathetic, manipulative, weak, and it's insulting to your audiences' intelligence.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
62. Hillary never said that he wasn't qualified. Some headline writer used those words
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

to get attention, and Bernie swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker, without bothering to read what she actually had said.

She REFUSED to take the reporter's bait 3 times and instead directed him to specifics about issues. But Bernie just swallowed it, without reading past the false headline.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
78. She argued that he's unqualified, whether she personally used the word 'unqualified' or not.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

That interview on Scarborough was all about how unqualified Sanders is; that he's not experienced and doesn't know how to get things done. Her campaign was pushing it left and right yesterday, and broadcast their intentions to do so they night before (disqualify, destroy). It was their shiny new product yesterday, and everyone knows it. Now they're trying to back pedal from it.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
66. It was HC's team that made the original "threat"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:20 PM
Apr 2016

So unless you absolve HC of what goes on in her own campaign how can you ever expect people to believe she is capable of handling a nation . It was sanctioned by her not disavowing the point .

In short HC owns the entire situation and is presenting a cry bully façade .

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
87. And the 1992 presidential candidate and liberal icon Tom Harkin also voted for the Iraq resolution.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

It's all right there in the roll call.

Hillary Clinton now sees her Iraq resolution vote as a mistake, and so does Harkin.

[url]http://www.thenation.com/article/what-we-will-lose-when-tom-harkin-leaves-senate/[/url]

 He voted for the 2002 resolution that became President Bush’s excuse for a war of whim in Iraq, but by 2003 he was declaring: “I made a mistake, and I wouldn’t do it again.” He bluntly said that Bush “misled Congress and got his war…a pre-emptive war that has ended in disaster.”

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
92. Because Sanders wasn't running against Kerry or Biden
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

It does provide another piece of evidence that Sanders is a regular politician. I think it's a continuation of a trend that he doesn't respond well to being challenged. He had the same reaction recently when Chris Matthews asked for specifics of how he would deal with Republican opposition or at the Netroots Conference where he was interrupted by some protestors.

He's like so many others who become convinced that only their interpretation of things is correct that they lose the ability to be objective or open to other points of view.

Cha

(297,494 posts)
97. Why did tad devine defend John Kerry's vote on the IRW?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

Bros4Hillary ??@Bros4Hillary
Hey @taddevine how come it's ok 4 you to defend @JohnKerry record on Iraq vote but not @HillaryClinton?
0:52 PM - 6 Apr 2016
100 100 Retweets 93 93 likes

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/07/chat-away-807/#comments

Thank you, pnwmom~

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
98. You guys never miss a chance to drag out the old "sexism" card.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

Don't you realize how that diminishes your candidate? I don't think she needs this kind of "protection" from opposition. It's very demeaning and I'm betting it pisses her off royally when this "defense" is rolled out by her so-called supporters.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
99. Because Bernie was not Kerry's primary rival and because Kerry never said ignorant crap like this:
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."

brewens

(13,615 posts)
101. As far as the Wall Street money, it's quite a bit different now than before the 2007 crash.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

We now have a whole shitload more people that feel that kind of influence is a dis qualifier.

dubyadiprecession

(5,720 posts)
103. BS is a typical political opportunist as he wasn't running for president against...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

Kerry in 2004. No need to go negative in an old race he wasn't in and losing badly. His message only changes to meet his needs. We need less BS and more credibility in this country.

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