2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm watching Martin O'Malley on MSNBC ...
Damn, I wish Democrats had seen in him what I did!
We'd be in a different place ... maybe.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the known HRC and the insurgent Sanders sucked all of the air out of the room. O'Malley had the platform of Sanders; but, far more detailed, and a better platform than HRC, without the baggage.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)For me though, he lacked 2 things and this is what put Bernie over him for me...
1. He was funded by big money.
2. He didn't seem to have as much passion as Bernie.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And I don't care about "passion" ... I care about workable plans and past performance.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Well I'll be damned about your first point. Maybe then it was the fact that Bernie was purely funded by the people that was more appealing then.
Passion may not matter to you but, well... We're all different!
I guess another factor was that O'Malley came in after I'd already grown familiar with Bernie.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yes ... competence matters far more to me than passion ... the former gets stuff done, the latter is about emotion.
elleng
(131,051 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)these days. It was literally his job to make himself into a candidate he could sell to political professionals in the "invisible primary," to the press, to the people and, useful but infinitely less important, to the DNC.
Hillary worked far longer and harder and did a far better job. She started with national exposure by being first lady, then U.S. Senator, presidential candidate, Secretary of State, then ran this time, winning the invisible primary long before most people knew the race was on.
O'Malley was a state governor. So now, he has had a governorship and national exposure as a presidential candidate. Next, he'll...?
Btw, blaming the DNC is just plain stupid. This is 2016, not 1976. With the Information Revolution and ability to go straight to the voters, along with new money laws, party apparatus just isn't that important any more. If O'Malley was ready, the DNC literally couldn't hold him back. Look at what's happening on the right. The RNC loathes both Trump and Cruz but couldn't stop either.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)though loved his platform and history of accomplishments.
Just like with Sanders.
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)I am sitting here on the point of tears.. I was so proud to be one of his precinct captains in Iowa.. Just such vision and actual plans to accomplish it
Newkularblue
(130 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...but what I saw I liked. He was not given a fair chance and I blame the media. It used to be that the candidates were supposed to have equal time and I think that would have served the American people much better than the media deciding who was viable.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)when asked about the "Hillary is unqualified" thing. Very diplomatic.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)so he's still in.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)ETA: But he is the freshman point guard that Democrats should redshirt for 2016, and give major playing time in 2016-2020.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)becomes prez she'll give him a cabinet post. i'd like to see him run for prez again.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)did not want him to interfere with the
Sanders/Clinton arguments.
It shows to all of us, what power the media
have in this whole election. Neutral? My foot!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's not fair but unfortunately he reminded me to much of John Edwards.
I've always said tho that if anyone should be pissed at the DNC it's O'Malley. They dogged him.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...sigh.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...fine Democrat. He could easily be Vice President and/or President in the future.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)It seemed to me he was more of a technocrat than a populist. He didn't seem to be seen as an outsider, maybe because he stressed that he had a record. By the time they got to the debates he seemed to be confined to third place.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)elleng
(131,051 posts)fortunately I guess.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)what he really lacked was a national profile and base of support. hopefully he can build on that going forward.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and he knows it.
Now, its up to him to work a plan.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)candidates who come out of nowhere need that.
he needs to get himself somewhere high profile. Cabinet position in next administration would be a great start.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I've always thought he could benefit for a good speech coach.
elleng
(131,051 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)It means exactly what I said. So I don't know what's with the shrug smilie. I think it has the potential to affect some people's perception of him. It was meant as an observation, not a slam. I do like him.
elleng
(131,051 posts)No discourtesy intended.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I do like him. I have been a speech coach, so it popped into my mind.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)But tonight, good night.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)He is young, and I suspect we will see him again.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I'm glad I saw the interview and I'm glad you posted about it.
delrem
(9,688 posts)To be sure, you weren't negative toward O'Malley as you are toward Sanders.
You didn't sport a swiftboating sig. line against O'Malley.
But you didn't support and promote O'Malley. Few did.
I didn't do anything for O'Malley either.
O'Malley didn't have establishment DNC/DLC support like Clinton, nor did a grass roots boldly leftist movement coalesce around his candidacy as around Sanders.
My preferences: I very much dislike Clinton (war! unleashed profiteering! Secrecy!). I like O'Malley (Measured - not into war. Intelligent - open to regulation of investment capital and the consideration of other interests. Transparent.). I support and promote Sanders (Measured - not into war. Intelligent - open to regulation of investment capital and the consideration of other interests. Transparent. Boldly proposing much needed solutions to social problems w.r.t. health, education and livability.)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)my dislike for the BS attacks on HRC by Team:Bernie got more of my attention.
delrem
(9,688 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)no matter how incorrect or ill-informed ... is always correct.
delrem
(9,688 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)beyond your uninformed accusations ... because I didn't pay appropriate homage to Bernie.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I never asked you to pay homage to Bernie.
I didn't accuse you of anything - except for mentioning your swiftboating sig. line.
But that sig. line is on you, not me, and I sure as hell don't have to answer for it.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)that Sanders has been subjected to.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)If O'Malley had gained traction I think it would have been mostly at the expense of Hillary Clinton, at the expense of the extreme right, at the expense of the Kaganesque caricature that the Clintons have introduced. It would have been at the expense of the extreme submission to the Republican agenda, where e.g. in her speech to AIPAC and her op-ed written for the right wing Israeli forward.com Hillary in effect identified with the Republicans who invited Netanyahu to the USA to shame Pres. Obama.
O'Malley was so totally NOT THAT!
I think that if O'Malley had gained traction the debates and the campaigns would have become more substantive and Hillary Clinton would have been sidelined.
Hillary people only seem to like him because their candidate hasn't spent the entire last year attacking him.
jillan
(39,451 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)PufPuf23
(8,810 posts)but he was an unknown to me unlike Bernie Sanders so I favored Sanders from the start.
If O'Malley had been the competitive alternative to Hillary Clinton, he would have my support.
O'Malley received less coverage in the media and at DU and was gone before I could warm to him.
Alas because of the suckage now.
Gothmog
(145,479 posts)elleng
(131,051 posts)We'd surely be in a different place, maybe even discussing SUBSTANCE!
Where the F were Democrats???
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)elleng
(131,051 posts)PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)Yep.
Just look at his policy proposals and how detailed they were..... the result of having ACTUALLY implemented progressive policies.
And before someone screams "Just look at Baltimore", yes....I know exactly what Baltimore was like before O'Malley took office, what it was like under him...and after he left. Thanks.
elleng
(131,051 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)his policy proposals and how detailed they were AND his record for actually getting progressive policies through his legislature.
elleng
(131,051 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Can't wait to see what is next for him!
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)I wish he had entered the race before he actually did. By the time I learned more about him and his record, unfortunately it was clear that he would not reach viability in this election cycle. By the time I had the chance to caucus on 26 March, he had been out of the race for a long time.
He still has lots of time to prepare for a future run, and I hope to be able to vote for him around 2024.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)It might just be his manner, but every time I hear him it seems artificial.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)just seems a wee bit into himself. I could be wrong. Just a general vibe I get from the admittedly limited exposure he's gotten in the media.
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)so I hear you.