We will be lucky to have many more elections. But a lot of people can't see the forest for the trees. Carol King, for example, is voting Hillary based partially on concern for the environment....

We're like a bunch of collective idiots.

If we don't stop the people pulling us to our doom, we are fucked.

Of course it is those same people pulling us there that will be the safest.

I believe the WANT a mass die off.

CIA Crack, etc etc, all of it I thought was just too far out there, But I have had to eat a lot of my words, especially when it was explained to me that many people find solace in knowing we are living in end times. I mean, if that's really some people's world views I almost understand why others choose to vote for a corporatist. But not quite.

Other than poor black people, Hillary really only wins in the upper income brackets.

It is a class war, we are and will be fighting for resources.

This is a part of it.

Until they won't survive outside of them at all.

There is ALWAYS a revolution and the people at the top never believe it will happen to them.

It will.

And that's when they will learn that the rich to poor ratio that used to be so fun and special is not such a great thing.

we're sure to address the problem?

Or something like, as much as I wish we were fixing our myriad problems unfortunately we have passed the tipping point.

When the price of oil is high enough, it's worth trading the planet's future. Ask Ukraine.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

Nobody can credibly say that Hillary will be better on climate change than Bernie.

electing democrats...such as for the supreme court in Wisconsin. Bernie needs to extend his coattails for anything close to a revolution.

offer himself to help lead it if the time is right.

He has done everything that could be asked of him.

The man doesn't want the job for the same reasons we are accustomed to seeing.

and it is on him to bring better people into his government. How on earth will he get a thing done if he has no support? One man can't do anything alone and we all know what millions of people in the streets mean...most of us were there when *co went to war in Iraq and it didn't mean squat; I doubt it will mean squat if Democrats are in the minority in the House and Senate and Supreme Court, even with Bernie as president.

He has tremendous support.

you must be kidding...but as you said, you stopped reading. He may have LOTS of support of everyday people, but laws are not passed by us, this is a representative government and he needs democrats and lots of them.

would not be solidly behind him in his battles with the right?

And what do you mean "senators and reps on the right"?

Are you capable of having a serious conversation about this? Please don't waste my time.

but your use of DEMOCRAT congress people put you on my ignore list. You don't wish to have a conversation, you are just in attack mode. Goodbye.

But I guess the jig is up now! I am actually a Republican operative.

in US politics.

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I've never given two shits about the party being called democrat rather than democratic. Really...the ship is sinking and we've got lightweights arguing whether the color of the drapes is grey or gray.

You may not like his message, but arguing about the use of "ic" to avoid continuing the conversation...

amateur.

Put me on IL as well, Tara. Yours will be the first one I'm on here. But if you're not ashamed for your argument, I am for you. Put me on your IL please.

went red to the long term detriment of that state. He could have done something there...maybe have her on stage? With his clout, he needs to step up to the plate of filling the slots with democrats if he wants this revolution to be more than a keyboard war.

He doesn't claim to be a miracle worker. He has repeatedly said and emphasized -- that this is about changes much larger than him personally -- it also includes getting a more supportive Congress, more citizen involvement, etc.

But you also have to realize that many elected Dems are actively working against him in favor of Clinton...The changes have to be a two way street.

only for self. I mean, simple logic, right?

that he is doing it only for "self". That seems to be based on emotion and is unsupported.

In fact, I completely disagree.

The "self" candidate to me is clearly Hillary. But there you go. When people have different opinions, they interpret things differently.

One can criticize many things about Bernie. But it is not accurate to say he is all about himself.

Uf he were, he would used his political talents to become a 'centrist Democrat," put his time in at Congress and then cash out to join the legion of lobbyists and consultants in the golden revolving door.

And his political orientation is all about "we" rather than me for the same reason.

I am not talking about claims that Bernie can be rude and impatient at times. Not perceptions or claims of people who are critical of him because of disagreements over issues or political tactics.

Please enlighten me with real demonstrable "facts" that indicate that Bernie us only about himself, and that his message is a fraud.Or the fact that he uses only politics and has a phony message for personal gain.

FACTS.

under the guise of helping down ticket incumbents but really to use as a way to funnel large sums into their own campaign and avoid the $2700 limit, while bribing super-delegates!

Simple logic right?

And those pushing Jill Stein need to be PPR'd right fucking now.

The rats are multiplying and the trolls are already in control.

I think it speaks pretty poorly of someone that resists all criticisms of their leaders. Perhaps anyone feeling that way should just move to N. Korea and enjoy the universal love for "Dear Leader" there if they can't abide criticism from party members that want the party to be better.




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Its all well and good to have Bernie elected and fighting for the common American. But if there's no revolution down ticket, then all of this is a waste of time.

Revolutions have to happen on the local and levels. What is Bernie's campaign doing for that?