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I wonder how many who are thrilled with Bernie's invitation from the pope, were so upset when PP (Original Post) still_one Apr 2016 OP
who is PP? hlthe2b Apr 2016 #1
I wonder what the PP leadership thinks about Hillary's recent comments on abortion ... Scuba Apr 2016 #2
No kidding. The sudden embracing of the Catholic Church is amusing. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #3
Both sides are guilty NWCorona Apr 2016 #4
Incorrect. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #9
I was not speaking of Sanders; I was speaking of his fan base, as is the OP. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #21
Point taken. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #26
Bernie is Jewish. Next. jillan Apr 2016 #11
LOL! Nice comprehension. I won't bother to explain. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #20
For some time, Bernie has spoken in agreement/respect Kittycat Apr 2016 #18
The Vatican has gone out of their way to emphasize this is not an endorsement n/t HerbChestnut Apr 2016 #5
This is the middle of an American election. ok. Nothing to see here still_one Apr 2016 #17
The Pope has his own political agenda, if you hadn't noticed. Kittycat Apr 2016 #19
keep wondering. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #6
Is your false outrage really stemming from the fact Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #7
Now for the stretch link of the day Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #8
Thank you! Amaril Apr 2016 #25
Sour grapes much? LOL! This is pretty sad. jillan Apr 2016 #10
Some things are really clear when it comes to anything outside of economic justice. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #12
No, the Pope and Sanders seem to share much of the same message. One is just a hit more nc4bo Apr 2016 #13
Oh good grief - the desparation is so unappealing. I have issues with the Catholic Church's stance Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #14
Thank you very much for saving me all that typing! kristopher Apr 2016 #22
If he believed about blacks what he believes about gays dsc Apr 2016 #23
What is wrong with you? It's fair to criticize the Pope on anything. I'm Jewish. I'm not Catholic Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #24
again if he were as racist as he is anti gay dsc Apr 2016 #28
What are you talking about? That's one of the most absurd things I've ever read here. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #15
explain the absurdity. roguevalley Apr 2016 #16
From what I'm understanding from the OP is d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #27

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
9. Incorrect.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:54 AM
Apr 2016

Today on Morning Joe, Bernie noted his differences with the Catholic Church on women's rights and LGBT rights before applauding Pope Francis for his positions on climate change and economic justice.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
26. Point taken.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

With respect to his supporters, I believe the vast majority agree with his noted differences with the Catholic Church as well.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
18. For some time, Bernie has spoken in agreement/respect
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

Of the Pope and his open and frank discussions on Social & Economic justice. Moreover than in the past, there's been a strong effort to speak out and take a stand against war, greed, and oppression. Admittedly, I'm surprised to see the Pope reach out to Sander's to share in this discussion, but not because they haven't been similar on those issues. It's just that with it being an election season, I'm surprised. Not that this pope has ever shied away from controversy to benefit those in need.

As a Democrat, these social/health/economic issues are very important to me. I was raised in a fundamentalist church, but rejected religion due to the hypocrisy and extremist nature of our church. That doesn't mean there aren't good people or churches trying do good things in the world.

It has bothered me greatly that the Republicans have hijacked religion to pass and push horrific changes in this country, when the issues most religions unilaterally claim to agree on is caring for the least of these (well, those that read their books of faith will agree). Whether that's through health, feeding, clothing, and housing the poor, caring for children, and education ("teach a man to fish" comes to mind). That's because those books of faith were often used as societal frame work; the dieties, afterlife and punishments were used as a means of control.

Let's keep the extremism out, and bring on the conversations to help support our communities, our country, and those in need beyond our boarders. This can be done while still maintaining a separation of church & state. IMO

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
19. The Pope has his own political agenda, if you hadn't noticed.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:37 PM
Apr 2016

I mean that respectfully to you. But he has been like no other. As a non believer, I've taken notice. I appreciate the attention he's brought to many issues.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
7. Is your false outrage really stemming from the fact
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

That a majority of the remaining primary states are Catholic states that Sanders is quickly gaining ground in and has nothing to do with PP?

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
8. Now for the stretch link of the day
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

....connecting the a trip to the Vatican to Planned Parenthood supporting Hillary.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
25. Thank you!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

Like others, I was trying to figure out who "PP" was. Now I understand why I couldn't make the connection.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. Some things are really clear when it comes to anything outside of economic justice.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

So much verbiage from one camp sounds exactly like Paul and his little minions.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
13. No, the Pope and Sanders seem to share much of the same message. One is just a hit more
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

Global than the other although I know Sanders' message applies to the 99% around the world.

What a grand message it is. Kinda like what some guy named Jesus was preachin' about.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
14. Oh good grief - the desparation is so unappealing. I have issues with the Catholic Church's stance
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

on many things as well as the scandal of child molestation that the Catholic Church has hidden.

But I am also able to view the current Pope as an amazing man who is doing so much to bring the church into the 21st century. And I so admire him for tackling the issues of poverty, charity, climate and more. If Hillary had been invited to speak on these issues at the Vatican I am quite sure the Clintonites would be rejoicing.

But they are simply unable to allow Sanders even this honor without making absurd statements.

So sad.

And no - the Catholic Church isn't involving itself in American elections. They are involving themselves in a call for focus on income inequality, poverty, climate - and they are recognizing that Bernie Sanders embraces those same issues.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
23. If he believed about blacks what he believes about gays
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

would it still be unfair to criticize the Pope on this?

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
24. What is wrong with you? It's fair to criticize the Pope on anything. I'm Jewish. I'm not Catholic
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:04 PM
Apr 2016

I disagree - and Bernie disagrees and has said he disagrees - with the Pope on many issues including women's rights, gay rights, etc.

I also can appreciate other things about the Pope and be glad he is speaking out on many issues.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
28. again if he were as racist as he is anti gay
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

would anyone pay attention to another word he said, no matter what it was.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
27. From what I'm understanding from the OP is
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

that Sanders supporters are anti-women, pro-stone age religious nuts. This from the very same people who thought the Henry Kissinger endorsement was a good thing while at the same time opposing the war in Iraq.

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