2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Is Even Less Competitive Than He Appears
Here's the truth about Bernie and delegates:Theres just one hiccup in this logic: Sanders fans seem to be conflating the pledged delegate count and the will of the voters, when in fact the two are far from interchangeable.
Sanderss reliance on extremely low-turnout caucus states has meant the pledged delegate count overstates his share of votes. To date, Sanders has captured 46 percent of Democrats pledged delegates but just 42 percent of raw votes. So even if Sanders were to draw even in pledged delegates by June which is extremely unlikely Clinton could be able to persuade superdelegates to stick with her by pointing to her popular vote lead.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)why waste time?
beaglelover
(3,488 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)what is her plan?
she is not the one
RashaMZak
(32 posts)Nor do any of these people. They're too obtuse to see the science being laid out before them month after month, and frankly, many of her voters are old enough that they won't see the same horrors the Xers, Millenials, and future generations will face. In which case, they're just sociopaths who don't care. We need bold leadership and drastic actions to fight this, not "compromise" - the existence of human civilization 100 years from now is not something we can "compromise" over with people who put money before planet. We need drastic leadership -yesterday- on this matter. Even Carter and Nixon were speaking more urgently of this in the 70s.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Even Carter and Nixon were speaking more urgently of this in the 70s.
you have stated a very sad fact
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Including caucus results, 9.4 million to just more than 7 million. This was before the tie in Wyoming.
President Carter sent his special message to Congress in 1965. As for the rest, you're shockingly ignorant about what Hillary has already done to combat global warming, as well as what she plans. Clue: It was not Sanders who spoke at the Copenhagen climate summit and ran through the halls with President Obama tracking down China, who was trying to hide from them and cut separate deals -- Just for instance.
"In spite of the strongest possible scientific consensus about what climate change means for our environment, economy, health, and future, there are still some who deny the facts. Theyre intent on obstructing progress. We cant let them win this fight. We have no choice. There is no Planet B." Hillary Clinton
Making America the worlds clean energy superpower and meeting the climate challenge. Hillary will:
Create good-paying jobs by making the United States the clean energy superpower of the 21st century.
Set national goals to have 500 million solar panels installed; generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America; cut energy waste in homes, schools, and hospitals by a third; and reduce American oil consumption by a third.
Lead the world in the fight against climate change by bringing greenhouse gas emissions to 30 percent below what they were in 2005 within the next decadeand keep going.
"I wont let anyone take us backward, deny our economy the benefits of harnessing a clean energy future, or force our children to endure the catastrophe that would result from unchecked climate change." Hillary Clinton
Climate change is an urgent threat and a defining challenge of our timeand Hillary Clinton has a plan to tackle it by making America the worlds clean energy superpower, taking bold steps to slash carbon pollution at home and around the world, and ensuring no Americans are left out or left behind as we rapidly build a clean energy economy.
2015 was the warmest year on recordand 15 of the 16 hottest years on record have come just since 2001. Already, American families are seeing the impacts of climate change with their own eyes, from the record drought in California to the frequently flooded streets of Miami and Annapolis. While climate deniers continue to ignore settled science because it does not suit their political agenda, and climate defeatists doubt Americas ability to meet this challenge, Hillary knows that America is fully up to the task.
Already, U.S. carbon pollution has been cut to its lowest level since 1995. Wind power has expanded three fold and solar power 30-fold since 2008. But thats not enough to tackle the climate challenge, meet Americas carbon pollution reduction goals, or to compete for the $13.5 trillion of global clean energy investment unlocked by the historic international climate change agreement reached in Paris. We can and must go further.
Thats why on day one, Hillary will set bold, national goals that will be achieved within ten years of her taking office:
* Generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America, with half a billion solar panels installed by the end of Hillarys first term.
* Cut energy waste in American homes, schools, hospitals and offices by a third and make American manufacturing the cleanest and most efficient in the world.
* Reduce American oil consumption by a third through cleaner fuels and more efficient cars, boilers, ships and trucks.
Hillarys plan is designed to deliver on the pledge President Obama made at the Paris climate conference last Decemberwithout relying on climate deniers in Congress to pass new legislation. Her plan will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 30 percent in 2025 relative to 2005 levels and put the country on a path to cut emissions more than 80 percent by 2050. Her approach will catalyze new investment and economic opportunity across the country, create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce energy bills and save families money, make our country more secure, and protect our families and communities from pollution.
As president, Hillary will:
Defend, implement, and extend smart pollution and efficiency standards, including the Clean Power Plan, which will prevent 3,600 premature deaths and 90,000 asthma attacks annually, and efficiency standards for cars, trucks and appliances that are already reducing energy costs for American households and businesses by over $75 billion per year.
Launch a $60 billion Clean Energy Challenge to partner with states, cities, and rural
communities and give them the tools and resources they need to go beyond federal standards in cutting carbon pollution and expanding clean energy. The Clean Energy Challenge will also help ensure all Americans share in the benefits of a clean energy economy by encouraging solar and energy efficiency investments in low-income communities.
Invest in clean energy infrastructure, innovation, manufacturing and workforce development to make the U.S. economy more competitive and create good paying jobs and careers. Hillary has a comprehensive plan for making existing energy infrastructure cleaner and safer, unlocking new investment, and forging a climate compact with Canada and Mexico to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and accelerate clean energy deployment across the continent.
Ensure safe and responsible energy production. As we transition to a clean energy economy, we must ensure that the fossil fuel production taking place today is safe and responsible and that areas too sensitive for energy production are taken off the table. Hillary knows there are some places where we should keep fossil fuels in the ground or under the ocean.
Reform leasing on public lands. As president, Hillary would reform fossil fuel leasing and significantly expand clean energy production on public lands, from wind in Wyoming to solar in Nevada.
End wasteful tax subsidies for oil and gas companies. Oil and gas companies have enjoyed billions in tax breaks for decades. Hillary would end those wasteful subsidies and invest in clean energy.
Cut methane emissions across the economy. Hillary would cut emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40-45 percent and put in place strong standards for reducing leaks from both new and existing sources.
Revitalize coal communities. Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we cant ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillarys $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.
"Those people on the other side, they will answer any question about climate change by saying, 'Im not a scientist.' Well, Im not a scientist either. Im just a grandmother with two eyes and a brain.
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Read more about Hillary Clintons plan: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/02/02/advanced-buildings/
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)you just do not get it
be well
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Why did you "lol" at Hillary Clinton's climate plan? Did you read it?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)the issues are much bigger and more diverse than climate change
sanders has been talking about many of these issues openly for many years
clinton has never shown that she believes that fundamental changes need to be made in the capitalist system
sorry - her plan is a slower death march
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)This fight is FAR from over.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)riversedge
(70,270 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Means all the people, not just a collection of "progressives" and independents certain that their views trump everyone else's.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Is that it shows that even if he catches up to or suppasses Clinton in numbers of earned delegate, he will still trail significantly in the popular vote.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)If Bernie is "Even Less Competitive Than He Appears" and Goldman Sachs Clinton is such a fucking sure thing, why are all of your fucking heads exploding over behind your gated community at Camp Lying Liars?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)and must be "part of the Wall St-Industrial Complex".
Because, while Bernie Sanders has a 28% polling lead in the West Virginia primary.
Hillary Clinton has a 97% chance of winning the New York primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 12% polling lead in the Connecticut primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 8% polling lead in the Rhode Island primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 95% chance of winning the Maryland primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 95% chance of winning the Pennsylvania primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 16% polling lead in the Kentucky primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 91% chance of winning the California primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 14% polling lead in the New Mexico primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 54% polling lead in the South Dakota primary, and
Hillary Clinton has a 15% polling lead in the New Jersey primary.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-democratic-nomination/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-york-democratic/
Funny, the old saying is that the truth has a well-known liberal bias, and it seems the truth is biased toward Clinton. What does that make Sanders?
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Then switch to Bernie. She cleaned up in the south and a few other states. Bernie's cleaning up in others. I resent the notion that we don't know that superdelegates don't have to follow the will of the people. That's why we are supporting Bernie. No one should have one vote that equals the votes of one thousand citizens. Actually, we are more informed and aware. And we are not giving up in spite of the bullying, patronizing, condescension and name calling.