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MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:44 PM Apr 2016

OK, Bernie's going to a Vatican conference, by invitation.

Looks like he's going to have to jump on a flight right after the debate on the 14th to make it to Rome on time. The debate starts at 9 PM EDT. He might take off by Midnight. Red-eye time. I hope he sleeps well on planes. I sure don't. Jet lag may play a role, too.

While he's flying and attending, the media's going to be interested in what happened at the debate, I'm sure. Normally a candidate with a primary elections coming right up would be stumping like crazy the day after a debate in the state where the primary's being held. Bernie's going to lose that day and will be flying overnight again to get back to New York the day after attending that conference, or speaking at it.

I hope he sleeps well on planes. He's going to need to be at his sharpest, since he'll be under a lot of pressure to make some campaign appearances as soon as possible in New York. There's not much time before Tuesday.

I wonder if this trip to the Vatican will be worth it in terms of his primary campaign. Maybe it will. I'm sure some media folks will follow him to Rome, so maybe we'll hear from him there. I don't know. I doubt he'll be taking a day there after the conference, though. I don't think he has any days to spare right now.

Conference in Rome on the 15th. NY Primary on the 19th. I don't know, but if I were running, I wouldn't let that weekend get away from me, really. Still, it's his choice. We'll see how it all works out.

Good luck be with you, Bernie. Rest while you can.

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OK, Bernie's going to a Vatican conference, by invitation. (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2016 OP
A solicited invitation. It is an invitation, but at his request. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Gotta keep the dream alive NWCorona Apr 2016 #3
Debunked, how's that crow? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #4
Just admit you're wrong already for heaven's sake. Avalux Apr 2016 #5
Sounds like Bernie started an internal pissing match. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #9
Par for the course - ignore what's right in front of your face. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #20
Bull fritters. I am repeating facts from a national news source. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #26
I don't think you ever will admit you are wrong on any argument... It is humorous though... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #22
Whatever, really. He's going, apparently. MineralMan Apr 2016 #7
Bernie is desperate for international cred. This gives him a taste. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #21
You've convinced me and now I'm really worried. Bernie should probably stay home. Avalux Apr 2016 #25
Face it, they don't want Hillary. I know it hurts but it's true. Bernie has more world cred ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #33
Agreed! Poor judgement on his part to leave the campaign. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #34
Once a loser... TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #36
Thanks for the concern... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #2
I'm not concerned at all. I think he's making a mistake in MineralMan Apr 2016 #8
C'mon you're smarter than that MM GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #13
Life of a POTUS is rough. Can't always just fly to George Clooney's house DFab420 Apr 2016 #6
He's not POTUS. POTUS has a bedroom on his plane. MineralMan Apr 2016 #11
If I had to guess I'd say his campaign charters a jet riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #24
Boom! Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #16
perhaps you don't remember what happened when Obama spoke in Berlin in 2008? GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #10
Oh, there will be media coverage, I'm sure. MineralMan Apr 2016 #12
He's not meeting with the Pope for Christsakes! beaglelover Apr 2016 #19
he said it on The View DrDan Apr 2016 #29
I didn't say he was. GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #42
McCain's speech wasn't at an IHop. It was outside of a cheesy German restaurant. hedda_foil Apr 2016 #28
If this isn't the limit! Punkingal Apr 2016 #14
I know no limits, really. MineralMan Apr 2016 #18
Clearly. peacebird Apr 2016 #31
Frankly, I don't think that Bill Clinton has been that much MineralMan Apr 2016 #41
You're funny Armstead Apr 2016 #15
Thanks. I'm always good for a laugh. MineralMan Apr 2016 #17
This is probably another reason they were reluctant to take the 14th Ash_F Apr 2016 #23
In retrospect, don't you guys wish you had immediately jumped to the playing down NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #27
Yes, isn't it special that the Clinton Ratfuckery Brigade lies reached the attention of the VATICAN? djean111 Apr 2016 #38
Still trying to blame Hillary for everything, including Reuters and Bloomberg reports? nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #39
I don't know, but if I were running, Hiraeth Apr 2016 #30
How can he NOT go to this conference dr60omg Apr 2016 #32
Thank you for your concern . Autumn Apr 2016 #35
Good luck, Sanders KingFlorez Apr 2016 #37
It pokes a hole in the foreign policy knock and highlights income inequality bigbrother05 Apr 2016 #40

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. Debunked, how's that crow?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016
Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

Reuters
April 8, 2016


VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
5. Just admit you're wrong already for heaven's sake.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

Chancellor Sorondo:

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
26. Bull fritters. I am repeating facts from a national news source.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

You have contrasting info, which is wrong. Am I calling you a liar?

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
22. I don't think you ever will admit you are wrong on any argument... It is humorous though...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

the Mental Gymnastics

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
7. Whatever, really. He's going, apparently.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

I hope it doesn't cut into his campaign schedule too much. It's going to be tight, to say the least. I suppose it looks good to be at some Vatican conference, but I'm not sure it's such a big deal. Now, if he was having a private audience with the Pope to discuss matters of import, it would look pretty presidential, for sure.

I don't know. I wouldn't do it that close to a very important primary if I were running. Seems risky, just in terms of lost campaign time. His opponent will have an entire day to get the jump on him on some issue or another on Friday, and Saturday is stiff iffy for campaign activities after two whirlwind overnight flights.

It doesn't even look like there will be an audience photo with the Pope. Those are nice to have on the front page of the papers.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
21. Bernie is desperate for international cred. This gives him a taste.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

It explains why he asked for the invite. He can always say he met with the Pope even if he does not.

But, yeah, it will be logistical nightmare. Nothing a high speed private jet won't solve. That is, after all, how the 1%ers roll.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
33. Face it, they don't want Hillary. I know it hurts but it's true. Bernie has more world cred
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

and you know it. Must really be frustrating. I feel for ya.

LiberalFighter

(51,020 posts)
34. Agreed! Poor judgement on his part to leave the campaign.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

He also tried to make it look like he would be meeting with the Pope. Considering what happened with the Kentucky dimwit I would say the odds are against a photo op. The Pope is not likely to want to get involved in a political campaign.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
8. I'm not concerned at all. I think he's making a mistake in
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

terms of his campaign in New York. But that's no skin off my honker.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
24. If I had to guess I'd say his campaign charters a jet
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

With ample room for him to stretch out and sleep.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
10. perhaps you don't remember what happened when Obama spoke in Berlin in 2008?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

John McCain was stuck doing an empty press conference at the nearest IHOP.

Could the optics be any better? How can the MSM NOT cover Sanders going to the Vatican?

Obviously there is a bond between the Pope and Sanders as allies in the same big battle against an excess of greed.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
31. Clearly.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

So tell me, what do you think of Bill dissing Black Lives Matter & lying (according to politico and huffpo) about his record in the process? From HuffPo:

Here’s what he told protesters at a campaign rally for Hillary Clinton in Philadelphia:

“They say the welfare reform bill increased poverty. Then why did we have the largest drop in African American poverty in history when I was president? The largest in history. What happened was, all these Republicans got into — the Supreme Court elected President Bush 5 to 4, then all these Republicans took over state legislatures. We left ‘em with enough money to take care of all the poor people who couldn’t go to work on welfare. We left ‘em with the money they had before the welfare rolls went down 60 percent. The Republicans took it away, and [these protesters are] blaming me.”
This is not true. Poverty dropped during the Clinton years not because of welfare reform, but because the entire American economy was being juiced by a massive stock market bubble. No credible economist even disputes this. The Clinton bubble was fueled by the aggressive financial deregulatory policies of Clinton and his Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan. When the stock market bubble burst, millions of people who previously would have received welfare fell into poverty.

Welfare reform was an intentional effort to curb financial assistance to poor people, on the grounds that many were simply too lazy to get a job. Clinton turned over a federal program to states, who were effectively allowed to slash welfare funding and impose new work requirements on people who received assistance. Even Republican co-architects of welfare reform concede that the program ended up hurting the poor.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
41. Frankly, I don't think that Bill Clinton has been that much
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

of an asset to Hillary's campaign. He tends to blurt when he should think. It's not my campaign, though, and I imagine it's hard to tell Bill Clinton, "Watch what you say, and don't speak nonsense, please."

Will he do much harm to the campaign? Probably not. But, he's not doing much good for it, either.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
23. This is probably another reason they were reluctant to take the 14th
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

Other than having to make thousands of people reschedule that rally.

The Clinton campaign sure does play hardball.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
27. In retrospect, don't you guys wish you had immediately jumped to the playing down
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

of importance segment instead of the "he invited himself" opener? Not sure who is scripting this stuff for camp Hillary, but I think a bit more thought needs to be put into the possible blowback before giving the green light to stuff like that.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
38. Yes, isn't it special that the Clinton Ratfuckery Brigade lies reached the attention of the VATICAN?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:08 PM
Apr 2016

They must be very impressed.

dr60omg

(283 posts)
32. How can he NOT go to this conference
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

He is invited to the conference and it connects him worldwide with other leaders around the world who are interested in social and economic justice

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
40. It pokes a hole in the foreign policy knock and highlights income inequality
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016

He'd be a fool to pass on it. It will definitely play on the news cycle and should more than make up for missing a few rallies. NY and NYC in particular are attuned to world events and this is teed up nicely for him.

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