2016 Postmortem
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(58,785 posts)From the CEO of GE, who took great offense at Bernie's insulting GE directly during that disastrous editorial board interview:
"We at GE were interested to read comments Monday by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who told the New York Daily News editorial board that GE is among the companies that are supposedly destroying the moral fabric of America. The senator had been asked to cite examples of corporate greed at its worst. Somehow that got him to talking about us.
GE has been in business for 124 years, and weve never been a big hit with socialists. We create wealth and jobs, instead of just calling for them in speeches. We take risks, invest, innovate and produce in ways that today sustain 125,000 U.S. jobs. Our engineers innovate every day to build hardware and software solutions that meet real-world challenges. Our employees are proud of our company. I meet second- and third-generation employees whenever I travel across the country. I am one myself. Our suppliers and partners are proud of our company. Our communities are proud of our company. Our pride, history and hard work are real the moral fabric of America.
The senator has never bothered to stop by our aviation plant in Rutland, Vt. Weve been investing heavily (some $100 million in recent years), hiring and turning out some of the worlds finest jet-engine components in Vermont since the 1950s. The plant employs more than 1,000 people who are very good at what they do. Its a picture of first-rate jobs with high wages, advanced manufacturing in a vital industry how things look when American workers are competing and winning and Vermonts junior senator is always welcome to come by for a tour. "
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ge-ceo-bernie-sanders-says-were-destroying-the-moral-fabric-of-america-hes-wrong/2016/04/06/8499bc8c-fc23-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html
amborin
(16,631 posts)Immelts statement of the obvious is relevant because Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said essentially the same thing about GE this week, which triggered an angry response from Immelt.
In a meeting on Monday with the New York Daily News editorial board, Sanders was asked to name a corporation that he believed was destroying the fabric of our nation. Sanders said that GE was a good example because it had shut down many major plants in this country. Sending jobs to low-wage countries. That is saying that I dont care that the workers, here have worked for decades. The only thing that matters is that I can make a little bit more money. That the dollar is all that is almighty.
Immelt (or, more likely, his ghostwriter) replied in a Washington Post op-ed that Sanders says that he is upset about GEs operations abroad as though a company that has customers in more than 180 countries should have no presence in any of them.
This is, of course, intentionally misleading language: Sanderss criticism was not that GE has established a presence in other countries, but that it has moved many of its factories there in order to save money by paying workers less.
As Immelt himself said in 2014, outsourcing became his task because U.S. labor was expensive and materials were cheap.
In other words, theres no actual argument between Sanders and Immelt about the reality of GEs outsourcing. Its simply that Immelt believes that a U.S.-based multinational corporation should do everything possible to maximize its profits, even at the cost of its American workers jobs, while Sanders does not.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/08/ges-jeffrey-immelt-now-slamming-sanders-once-said-it-was-his-task-to-outsource/
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)General Electric (GE) CEO Jeffrey Immelt said Wednesday that he will not release the emails that GE exchanged with Hillary Clintons State Department during the period in which GE was donating to the Clinton Foundation.
Again, I think thats not something we would do. Right? Immelt said at GEs shareholder meeting in Oklahoma City, OK in response to a question from Justin Danhof of the National Center For Public Policy Research, who pressed the CEO to release written communications with the State Department.
Secretary of State Clinton lobbied the Algerian president in 2012 to pick GE as a contractor for Algerian power plants. GE got the Algeria deal and quickly thereafter donated to the Clinton Foundation. Clinton also lobbied on behalf of Clinton Foundation donors including Boeing and Chevron."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/ge-ceo-i-will-not-release-hillary-clinton-state-department-emails/#ixzz45RPrJCnK
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)A closed circuit.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Jeez... I dunno...
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)This should be a post of it's own.
artislife
(9,497 posts)and you all can go to town.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I will take Bernie at his word that he has visited the GE plant.
As for the other...I'm a GE kid. My father was a loyal company man at GE. I grew up in a GE City.
GE became absolutely awful under Jack Welch (who unfortunately became "most admired" CEO for the corrupt elites).
My father -- no liberal -- quit for early retirement in disgust because of what the company had become under Welsh...GE also totally screwed over ours and many other communities -- shutting down operations and leaving behind a huge regional environmental, economic and social mess.
Alas GE has become the template for the corrupt values Bernie is talking about.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:40 AM - Edit history (1)
really send Sanders to the Senate to sniff disapprovingly and snub GE in some kind of excess of righteousness?
Yes, I know, he's famous for it, so maybe they did. But you guys seem to think there might have been something GE could have done better in the past 25 years, and Sanders is a U.S. Senator from Vermont. Why didn't Sanders work on that for his constituents? Jobs even? Jobs are nice...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)What does Sanders do with all that free time he does not spend working with business for his state and nation, like other senators do?
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)because if I identify with anyone, in terms of my general welfare, policy preferences, and financial interests, it's the fucking CEO of GE.
If only Bernie had managed to squeeze in a cheezy photo-op tour of that particular factory, I could find it in my heart to support him, but alas...
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Very "impressive"
senz
(11,945 posts)and for his audience to hear him in such a beautiful setting.
Thanks, Luminous Animal.
dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)Nobody in NY wants to stomp for him.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)There's something so sad and pathetic about that kind of desperation.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)A bad attitude and both feet in their mouth .
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)I am amazed at how openly hateful and mean people can be.
It is the total opposite of the vibe that I get from the Bernie rallies.
Everyone is smiling and chanting.
It gives off the vibe of inclusion.
It is similar to a rock concert atmosphere.
I just don't understand all of this hate towards such a wonderful man
and the people who support him and his policies.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Here's a guy who didn't take money from special interests, didn't enrich himself by exploiting his influence and has done nothing but fight for us for decades. And now they're even attacking his wife. It's really disturbing.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)I guess I don't know my fellow citizens very well.
I knew the Republicans would make fun of him.
I knew the Republicans would not like his vision.
I never dreamed that people who call themselves Democratic, Progressive,
or Liberal would hate and slander him.
It makes me sad.
It makes me angry.
It is very very disturbing.
azmom
(5,208 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Moar positive threads!
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)After all the crap that has been spewed across these forums today a ray of sunshine is exactly what we need .
jillan
(39,451 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and this is a technical nit
Is get one of these
That green dot in the bottom of the frame would not have been there, After that, very good shot. By the way, that is when they are used, to reduce or get rid of those effects. When you see somebody using one at night, feel free to point and laugh (unless it is during a civil demonstration, they have other uses then that have nada to do with painting with light)