2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHere is the "major conference" Bernie announced he'd scored an invite to,
along with 28 other attendees. Twenty three are listed as "participants," but he's not among them. He's one of the 6 in a second list called "other participants."
The agenda does not show him having any of the speaker spots.
The Pope will not be attending.
http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)to diminish this? its a good opportunity for him. I say congrats!
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)I'm just putting it into proper perspective.
It's not a major conference and he's not a listed speaker.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)of media exposure he got. it's not major.
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kennetha
(3,666 posts)It's not really about the current Pope's personal agenda.
It's a small academic conference, to be attended by less than 30.
riversedge
(70,270 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)wishing she could do the same..
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Bad timing too.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)It isn't a big deal. It merely shows that Sanders can pull some strings when he needs to -- just like any other career politician.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)and Hillary got snubbed. Same reason everyone else in Camp Clinton is trying to diminish it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)So who cares? lol
poor poor Hillary. Maybe she should check her cloud to see if her invite is stored there.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Well, you care if you are actually looking to Sanders as a pillar of integrity.
You don't care if you already recognize that Sanders is as bad as all the rest.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I was making a joke at all the freaking out of Clinton supporters. It would seem that some may have trouble with that.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Why are you a liar?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Good luck.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I posted proof that you knowingly posted false information. You lose. Buh-bye.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Than a room full of the greedy, I'd think.
Bet you a hundred bucks Bernie will release his transcript
TexasTowelie
(112,333 posts)From the OP: "The agenda does not show him having any of the speaker spots."
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Pathetic.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Because you got nothing else. And Hillary was not invited....the real rub.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)I'm a regular Thomas Jefferson compared to Bernie.
Note to self: Careful, Camp Pinocchio might accuse me of slave ownership.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)I agree with many of his writings, and you sir, are no Thomas Jefferson. You sir are not even George or Weezy Jefferson!
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...outside of the obvious pandering the academy president called him out for?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...that explains the Sanders phenomenon.
I think he's going to set a fact-check record for lies this week.
Oh, and I love how the Sanders campaign and supporters take such comfort in the word of the same Vatican which has lied and covered-up so many allegations and proof of molestation of children by priests.
840high
(17,196 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Now, he looks like a dope.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...the academy president was spot-on with her criticism.
I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly -- not that he will.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)Hillary didn't get invited to a Vatican conference on economic justice. I wonder why? But since she didn't, her supporters feel compelled to minimize it (having first been caught out in the false claim that he invited himself, which was gloatingly blabbed all over DU all day until the Bishop who invited him set things straight).
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)that you were aware of the "Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences" before today.
It's not like he was invited to keynote a Nobel Prize gathering.
This thing ain't prestigious.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)when it was first falsely reported that he'd invited himself? It might not be a famous organization but it does further the cause of economic justice, which is central to Sanders' campaign. It makes sense for him to go. If it's so un-prestigious and it doesn't help his campaign for him to go, why do you care?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Small lies lead to large lies.
I'd still like to hear from Ms. Archer, as the other guy here is specifically calling her out as a liar. Perhaps this is just Vatican power moves being exposed, who knows.
The facts still remain;
a) obscure conference
b) Sanders is not listed as a main attendee, but in the "other" section
c) The Poe will not be attending
A nothingburger indeed, but one that should not be left unchallenged.
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Seeinghope
(786 posts)Clinton and her supporters should all experts on lies and now pettiness.
revbones
(3,660 posts)How do you feel about Hillary lying that she was under sniper fire?
Or about when she lied to unions about fighting the Colombia Free Trade Agreement but then the emails released show she secretly lobbied for it?
Those aren't bigger than whether someone will or won't meet the Pope when they speak at the Vatican? Do tell.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)But then to her supporters, St. Hillary not only walks on water, she actually floats about 2 inches above it so that her feet don't even get damp.
840high
(17,196 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.
"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.
He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.
A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.
"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)who denied Margaret Archer's claim that Bernie had invited himself.
brooklynite
(94,673 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)Meanwhile, Bernie will be at a conference about the idolatry of money...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That is to say, a gala evening of accepting legal bribes...
840high
(17,196 posts)have money.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)people are attending? You say some of the dumbest things,and luckily for everyone who recognizes this, I am kind enough to not stop you from doing so.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)"Exaggeration for comedic effect".
Try it out sometime, you might make new friends.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)debate parties, fundraisers, actions regarding local and state issues. Liberals attend these things, so you may have missed out on them. Tomorrow, we progressives of the county, will be holding a meeting discussing many of those I mentioned and the new positions we'll be taking in the local democratic party. Communications, voter outreach, candidate development and recruitment. And you say there isn't a revolution going on? We have a big tent but maybe the conservadems weren't invited, or possibly you "were brought to heel"!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Just sayin'...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)S-o S-a-n-d-e-r-s i-s r-e-l-e-g-a-t-e-d t-o t-h-e n-o-s-e-b-l-e-e-d s-ea-t-s, A-N-D n-o P-o-p-e.
Did ya catch it that time?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)I wonder if the food they serve is going to be any good. On the one hand, it's Italy, but on the other, conference catering isn't always the greatest culinary experience.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Thanks Bernie!
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Got no real issues to discuss?
How about we talk about the fundraiser that Hillary will be at the same day Bernie is discussing the immorality of our economic system?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)So he decided to go to the Vatican as his next choice
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)n/t
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You need to step back and think about who Bernie really is.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Poo-poo all you want; Sanders was invited, Clinton wasn't.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)And Sanders begged for the invitation to prove he knows people in foreign lands.
He's looking desperate and silly.
Nanjeanne
(4,973 posts)what - according to them - is a small unimportant conference with a handful of not famous people talking about things that have nothing to do with the important political campaign going on in the Dem Party in the US at which Sanders isn't even going to SPEAK - and he is just going to be sitting there - and he had to beg for it - and he is just a gate crasher?
So much attention over such a meaningless thing. Makes me wonder why . . .
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This is hillaryous, they care SO little about it they just have to keep posting threads to let us know.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)the FBI may be taking some photo's of Hillary being arrested soon. She's always behind Bernie on policy and other items of importance.
polly7
(20,582 posts)it happens whenever there is major shit to be lost.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's kind of working, too...but I expect Bill's cringeworthy performance to get plenty of airplay between now and the NY primary.
beedle
(1,235 posts)that the Pope is stealing Bernie's thunder.
After all, it's an obscure little conference that no one knew about, until Bernie lent his fame to their marketing campaign.
Of course, Bernie is 'selfishly" taking what will probably be two of his most important days, in the middle of a very important presidential campaign in NYC, to try and discuss "stupid old" economics and environmental justice issues that now just might reach a couple of billions Catholics.
I can see why Republican Tea-Party types would hate this ... if the shoe fits Nay-sayers...
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,973 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... at the blind eye that the Sanders crowd is willing to turn to the obvious facts.
Nanjeanne
(4,973 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Hilly's do with George Clooney will be much more her speed.
Besides, I don't think the Vatican would pay her speaking fee.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)who are applauding this. They'd be screaming about the Church's positions on women, abortion, and LGBT.
But Bernies-the-guy can do anything.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)But what I do enjoy is the knots and the lies from Hillary's side about it. I love the reactionary chasing of the story like a dog after a wheel. It's great. Caught in lies and pivot to the next angle.
It's so very entertaining.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)while also advocating for your own idea that all Churches should lose their tax exempt status.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002292587
morningfog
(18,115 posts)chasing their own tails over this.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)That sting you're feelin'... that's pride. Fuckin' with ya.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)That's four of seven. What happened to gluttony, sloth and lust, the fun ones?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You should put something on that...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Your only tactic. You get the last word because I ain't playin'.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)with more class than team Hillary has handled Bernie's invite from the Vatican. SMH.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)is because her dad is like totally best friends with the drama teacher and she totally sucked up to him, and anyhow it's a stoopid show and I've never even heard of it and nobody's going to go anyhow. And anyhow I'm going to Jason's party which is way cooler than some dumb show. All the fun kids will be at Jason's party, not that dumb show."
dragonfly301
(399 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)dflprincess
(28,081 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)She just has to ask her Fairy Godmother!
QC
(26,371 posts)Hell, she could be the keynote speaker.
dflprincess
(28,081 posts)So she would really have nothing to say to the group.
QC
(26,371 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)in attendance, including Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, of Columbia U. Earth Institute.
I'm sure Bernie will be a discussant;
so much rancor and hatred toward Bernie. Guess it's because he's ruined the planned coronation.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Know what? Bernie's going to the Vatican. Know what else? You can't do shit about it except blubber.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)If Hillary had announced an invite like this, DUers would be ripping her to shreds because of the Vatican's positions on women, LGBT, abortion, and other social issues.
And the silliness of pretending to give a major address when you're not on the speaker list at all.
But Bernie-the-guy can do it and his fan club here goes into fainting spells.
dflprincess
(28,081 posts)Do I like the church's attitude toward women and Gays? Oh hell no - it's why the only time I go to Mass is when someone dies or gets married.
I do like that Francis has made it clear that abortion, birth control and Gay rights are not something he's going to spend his time preaching against and that, while not loosening the rules, he has a more conciliatory attitude than past Popes. Pity he wasn't younger when he was made pope. If he had more time we might seem him change some of these things.
I do really like that he spends his time preaching against is greed and selfishness.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)My God, you can't just be gracious, take it for what it is and move on?
The degree of efforts to refute and demean a simple visit to an event indicates that it probably hit a nerve.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)However he managed to finagle the invite, the Vatican at all levels has made it clear that it doesn't constitute any kind of endorsement or alignment with Bernie's campaign.
And most DUers here are anything but "gracious" to the Catholic Church, unless it's when Bernie is involved.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)This is causing you too much stress.
I mean really, this little two day trip it's becoming an obsession. I'd hate to see people pop blood vessels.
berningman
(144 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)I don't know why there is this Hill-arious effort to try and spin this ...
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)And was rebuffed
Let me make it clear
The one lobbying for an invite was her and they said no thanks
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Looks like some interesting discussions.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)They have been hyperventilating and throwing tantrums all day. This is really sticking in their craw. Had Hillary been invited, they would be crowing as if she had been canonized.
So sad. So transparent. Camp Hillary is out of steam. They have nothing but smears, slurs, nastiness, and arrogance.
If Hillary manages to worm her way into the White House, she will be the most disliked president ever on inauguration day.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)It's just a conference, not a campaign event or fundraiser.
Nanjeanne
(4,973 posts)Very interesting topics.
As an event producer I've done many of this kind of program. The way symposia like this works is there is lots of discussion after the paper presentation. Since it's not lectures and no audience it's a wonderful opportunity for real in-depth conversation. And since much of it is centered on Catholics place in the world, I'm sure he will learn a lot and listen a lot.
I think Senator Sanders will love being there and able to participate in that kind of global exchange.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)The Ecuardoran AND Bolivian presidents! A small, intimate two day discussion about such fascinating stuff with some major players from all over the world!
Bernie is going to love this - you know he's such a policy wonk, and a former professor himself.
There is going to be some major bonding going on, and since these issues have been so core to his entire being for so long, I think it is going to be a wonderful experience!
Hopefully he will get a chance to meet the Pope, but one can only dream of such an honor. In the meantime, lots of publicity should be generated for this amazing and historic event!
I am so happy for him!!!
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Bernie Sanders plans to warn against the idolatry of money in a speech at the Vatican next week which the Democratic candidate hopes will align his insurgent presidential campaign with the moral preaching of Pope Francis.
What the pope has been clear about is linking the issue of morality with the global economy and making the point that you cant have a moral economy when so many people are living in poverty, Sanders told the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/bernie-sanders-vatican-visit-pope-francis?CMP=twt_gu
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)He invitation was arranged at the last moment ... at Sanders's behest.
That absolute fact is no beyond dispute.
dr60omg
(283 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)exposure to Catholics and the larger faith based community helps! I bet if Hillary would talk to her pastor she could probably score a spot at the ice-cream social or similar?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)berningman
(144 posts)The Bern your feeling will dissipate over time we promise
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)with about 30 people discussing Catholic theology.
And the Pope won't be there. I don't see the point, but if that's how he wants to spend his time, who cares?
As long as he doesn't falsely claim this represents some kind of endorsement by the Pope or the Vatican.
berningman
(144 posts)Selling fracking and war!!
Speaking truth to a vacuum of power.
riversedge
(70,270 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Bernie's "invitation" was an afterthought, not part of the original plan. The organizers are shuffling the schedule to let Bernie have his moment to talk about the evils of worshiping money.
With your fantastic find, those who care about the underlying truth have all the facts they need.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Are they really that bereft of ammo to attack with?
Pathetic.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And continue to amplify this now speaks about that. At this point I will need to pick up more popcorn though
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,799 posts)I wish Hillary's peeps would spend more time doing lust, gluttony and sloth. They'd have more fun and wouldn't annoy the rest of us so much.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)as the real participants have executive chairs at the table.