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Oh yeah, this is going as planned... (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2016 OP
I'm worn out just reading about all this stuff lately, must be looooads of fun Lucinda Apr 2016 #1
... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #2
Sanders LIED on national tv about meeting w/ the Pope (video provided) KittyWampus Apr 2016 #17
Maybe he thought the pope was going to be there. It's not like he lied about sniper fire. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #18
No, but he lied about taking the subway and failed to answer basic questions KittyWampus Apr 2016 #19
Proof that he lied about the subway? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #22
Well, here's a clue... we haven't used tokens for the subway in NYC for a long time KittyWampus Apr 2016 #24
So you made it up, thanks for clarifying. Funny how some people project. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #26
Hillary couldn't even 840high Apr 2016 #33
? kracer20 Apr 2016 #38
So he knew about tokens. It wasn't a lie. nt revbones Apr 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #82
That's a good point. Bernie's often pretty clueless, so this could just be more of that. DanTex Apr 2016 #20
Considering all the clueless ops about him not being invited at all by you guys? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #23
It's good that you're comparing Bernie's statements to posts on internet forums. DanTex Apr 2016 #28
Krugman? The same bitter partisan who smeared Obama and his supporters? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #29
Krugman, the Nobel laureate liberal economist. Do you know, umm, err, nevermind... DanTex Apr 2016 #30
Dan, I have loved and defended Krugman often but here I think he is just wrong. CTyankee Apr 2016 #37
Bernie said that Hillary was unqualified. And that was after his "quote/unquote" lie. DanTex Apr 2016 #40
I don't agree. I don't think Krugman is that. He's a Nobelist after all. CTyankee Apr 2016 #81
Yeah, unfortunately they should be called Hillbullies or something else though revbones Apr 2016 #47
He wasn't quite clueless enough to timmymoff Apr 2016 #31
And the 30,000 Americans killed by guns every year? DanTex Apr 2016 #35
No need for excuses timmymoff Apr 2016 #42
Of course Bernie isn't responsible for all the gun deaths, any more than Hillary is responsible DanTex Apr 2016 #53
When a vote is for war timmymoff Apr 2016 #55
Bernie voted against the Brady Bill, which is the reason that there is any national DanTex Apr 2016 #56
Was there ever a vote for complete removal of guns timmymoff Apr 2016 #61
Of course not. Bernie made sure that we couldn't get anywhere near European style DanTex Apr 2016 #62
Thank you for admitting you started off false timmymoff Apr 2016 #63
That's an interesting reading of my post, but from a Bernie fan, I guess that's about par. DanTex Apr 2016 #64
Yes it is interesting timmymoff Apr 2016 #65
You're counting suicides by firearms as well? revbones Apr 2016 #48
Someone's been reading NRA talking points! DanTex Apr 2016 #50
So you're saying you're not? revbones Apr 2016 #51
Bernie seems confused lately redstateblues Apr 2016 #58
damn. you just don't get it. THE VATICAN DEBUNKED THE LIE! Reality is terrifying for some. I suggest roguevalley Apr 2016 #71
On The View today-Sanders said he was going to meet with the POPE riversedge Apr 2016 #80
Not only did they NOT invite Clinton, they refused an invitation from her foundation! Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #74
This is why they're so outraged, and of course they're saying Bernie finagled his way there. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #75
projection: maybe Clinton's only way of obtaining such invites is by finagling? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #76
That's how she does business, either buying or selling influence. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #77
In the desert, they'd drink the sand because they don't know how water is different from sand. n/t Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #79
Y'all still think this is some political game... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #3
It's not game which is why an empty suit shouldn't be running for POTUS KittyWampus Apr 2016 #21
We agree timmymoff Apr 2016 #32
:( reddread Apr 2016 #59
I always thought you were a Hillary supporter.. silenttigersong Apr 2016 #66
#EmptyPantsuit frylock Apr 2016 #69
For real yo! "Clinton likability hits a new low!" morningfog Apr 2016 #4
To squelch an ugly rumor, Hillary will ~not~ be going to Hong Kong while Bernie is in the Vatican Fumesucker Apr 2016 #5
Any more info on that 10 million dollars Sanders can't account for? KittyWampus Apr 2016 #27
Any more info about donations to the Clinton Foundation being used to influence the Sec of State? chascarrillo Apr 2016 #68
Probably in the same envelope that details when Hillary will be releasing her transcripts. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #89
Maybe the same place Hillary's unaccounted millions are. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #90
Welcome to New York, Camp Pinocchio itsrobert Apr 2016 #6
We like the Daily News now? QC Apr 2016 #7
Beautiful retort! GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #8
They love it whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #10
Sure does seem like it lately, my how they forget: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #13
Just like their new found love for the Southern states. frylock Apr 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #9
Hmmm DJ13 Apr 2016 #11
There's that. dchill Apr 2016 #16
.... 840high Apr 2016 #34
This will only help Bernie NWCorona Apr 2016 #12
What I see is that Bernie and Francis are dominant. Hillary and The Donald look tiny, insignificant reformist2 Apr 2016 #14
Do you ever stop and just feel sort of gross about yourself? Marr Apr 2016 #15
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Thank you jury. 840high Apr 2016 #36
My feelings exactly. Sheesh. rachacha Apr 2016 #44
In Bernie Underground that is a 5-2 vote to hide when translated for the Demographics. Nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #83
I think I understand the Hillary campaign's trouble with the word 'inevitable' now. Marr Apr 2016 #92
Amen SheenaR Apr 2016 #46
I know, huh tularetom Apr 2016 #86
Thanks. Marr Apr 2016 #91
blocked bigtree Apr 2016 #88
Camp Hillary is having a nervous breakdown nichomachus Apr 2016 #39
They should just hang it up and go back to their money-laundering "foundation." PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #54
Not good that Bernie gave the impression he was meeting with the pope. oasis Apr 2016 #41
Bernie is lying like a politician who's been in office for 1/4 century redstateblues Apr 2016 #57
Integrity was the one thing Bernie had going for him with most everyone. oasis Apr 2016 #60
Mort Zuckerman -- the Clinton's Hamptons buddy -- strikes again Armstead Apr 2016 #43
Brain dead, from start to finish. /nt delrem Apr 2016 #49
yep - just as planned SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #52
What a rag that Daily News is. bjo59 Apr 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #72
Pro Hillary "media" loves to make shit up jfern Apr 2016 #73
Oh my--There he goes again--Sanders on the front page of NY newspaper. riversedge Apr 2016 #78
The Democrats have an echo chamber of lies just like Republicans. mmonk Apr 2016 #84
Sanders' campaign managers must be SO pleased with their handiwork. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #85
This will be fun to watch Gothmog Apr 2016 #87
The corporate owned media loves Hillary. Thanks for pointing this out! B Calm Apr 2016 #93

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
1. I'm worn out just reading about all this stuff lately, must be looooads of fun
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

in the middle of the storm.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
2. ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016
Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw




 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
19. No, but he lied about taking the subway and failed to answer basic questions
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

to the editorial board about his own freaking agenda.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
24. Well, here's a clue... we haven't used tokens for the subway in NYC for a long time
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

I will refrain from making a joke about Sanders and tokens though.

Response to revbones (Reply #45)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. Considering all the clueless ops about him not being invited at all by you guys?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think you should really be throwing stones.


DanTex

(20,709 posts)
28. It's good that you're comparing Bernie's statements to posts on internet forums.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

Because let's face it, there's not much difference. Like Krugman wrote today, Bernie is becoming a Bernie Bro.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. Krugman? The same bitter partisan who smeared Obama and his supporters?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:34 PM
Apr 2016

He's a sad, pathetic little man who is more concerned about scoring points than the truth.

I can see why some people like his shtick.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
37. Dan, I have loved and defended Krugman often but here I think he is just wrong.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

I really wish he hadn't gone off on Bernie so personally and I am embarrassed that he did. He is better than this. He can have his opinions and god bless, But he's gotten so shrill lately it disappoints the hell out of me...

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
40. Bernie said that Hillary was unqualified. And that was after his "quote/unquote" lie.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

And, yes, it was a lie. Look, I've heard all the excuses. But I'm not 15 years old (anymore, where does the time go?). We all know politics, and we know what it means to call someone "unqualified", and we know that this is going to be appearing in GOP ads, in fact, I heard a number of GOP talking heads gleefully say "I agree with Bernie Sanders" the very next day.

I've read your posts here, I like you and respect you a great deal. And your disagreement with Krugman is totally legitimate. But I hope you see what's going on here on DU with the "Bernie or Bust" stuff, and the throwing under the bus of everyone from Krugman to John Lewis to Barbara Boxer to Dolores Huerta to Bill DeBlasio.

And if you don't, here's what the last post before yours responding to me had to say about Krugman:

He's a sad, pathetic little man who is more concerned about scoring points than the truth.


How do you feel about that?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
81. I don't agree. I don't think Krugman is that. He's a Nobelist after all.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:23 AM
Apr 2016

I give credit where credit is due. And it makes it all that much harder to accept what he says about Bernie. I don't understand why he can't agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
31. He wasn't quite clueless enough to
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

vote for sending nearly 5000 americans to die in Iraq, only one candidate of either party holds that distinction. But you knew that. Makes subway tokens seem a bit less important. The 20,000+ injured I am sure aren't to concerned with subway tokens. I'm betting a vote is more important to them, wouldn't you say?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
35. And the 30,000 Americans killed by guns every year?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

Coming up next: your excuse for Bernie's pro-NRA votes...

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
42. No need for excuses
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

When did congress hold a vote for removal of all firearms from Americans? With his vote, do you seriously think he is responsible for 30,000 deaths? Was the vote to ban guns ? Now with Hillary's vote of sending people to war, was her vote causal in the outcome? There is no need to make excuses at all because wasn't your candidate the one in 2008 claiming Obama wanted your guns? Remember Hillary pandering to the gun lobby in 2008, and Obama mocking her as "Annie Oakley" I find it humorous how your candidate has had so many stances she can get beat up from both sides. I bet that has something to do with her high negatives, her duplicity.

To make it simpler. Bernie Sander's vote was not causal to 30,000 Americans dying a year due to firearms. Hillary Clinton's Iraq war vote was causal of 5000 soldier's deaths, and 30,000 wounded. Plus a few hundred thousand Iraqi's deaths, many more displaced, and led to isis.

I am very anxious to continue this debate especially with the weaksauce you brought to it. Have a good day.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
53. Of course Bernie isn't responsible for all the gun deaths, any more than Hillary is responsible
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

for all the deaths in Iraq. A single vote in the house/senate doesn't tip the scales.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
55. When a vote is for war
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

like it or not, you own the consequences of that vote. No need to attempt to spin it. She owns every result of the war she voted for. She knew the people who were going to be running the war and didn't see that as a problem. She owns the deaths on all sides, the wounded, the displaced and even the tortured. Again, all the actors of the war, president, vice president, sec defense, sec of state etc. we're known quantities, she chose poorly. This is one of many reasons she is unqualified to be president. Have a good evening.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
56. Bernie voted against the Brady Bill, which is the reason that there is any national
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

requirement for background checks at all. Thankfully, he failed. If he had succeeded, how many more deaths would there have been? Who knows? Then he voted for legal immunity. This time he and the NRA succeeded. How many people could have been saved if the gun industry could have been held accountable in the same way that the tobacco industry was? Who knows?

What we do know is that guns kill 30,000 Americans every year, and Bernie has been part of the political problem, which ensures that the deaths continue, for decades.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
61. Was there ever a vote for complete removal of guns
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

if so when, because without that your argument doesn't fly.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
62. Of course not. Bernie made sure that we couldn't get anywhere near European style
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:50 PM
Apr 2016

gun laws that would save tens of thousands of lives per year. Thanks to people like him, even requiring guns to be registered doesn't even get a vote on the floor.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
63. Thank you for admitting you started off false
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

and continue to do so. I'm pretty sure a d- rating is nothing you tout when seeking the gun vote. Good luck with your next batch of whoppers. I know this stings but you will get through it.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
65. Yes it is interesting
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

how you wished to equate gun deaths to Bernie Sanders but wished to negate every soldiers death, dismemberment, every Iraqi's etc. as previously stated. Par would be making excuses for such judgments of error as you have done. Until there is a vote for complete removal you can not equate gun deaths to his vote. You can equate the results of war to hers.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
71. damn. you just don't get it. THE VATICAN DEBUNKED THE LIE! Reality is terrifying for some. I suggest
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:24 AM
Apr 2016

a white noise machine.

riversedge

(70,270 posts)
80. On The View today-Sanders said he was going to meet with the POPE
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:44 AM
Apr 2016

You are confusing the setting up of the meeting with Bernie saying he will actually meet with the Pope--he said it on The View


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511685207

X-POSTED

On The View today-Sanders said he was going to meet with the POPE
One of hosts said to the audience--.....

Host: You're meeting with the POPE?
Bernie: "Yup" (sitting nodding)


Then the host told the audience --Pope Francis has invited Bernie sanders...Clap clap


Sanders said he was meeting with the Pope. Then when the host told the audience he said nothing--He just nodded ...!!(very short You-tube clip
WHOW!




PS--Sanders is NOT meeting with Pope Francis









0:21 / 1:41
Bernie Sanders on Upcoming Meeting With Pope | The View

The View








beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
75. This is why they're so outraged, and of course they're saying Bernie finagled his way there.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:28 AM
Apr 2016

Because you know, it's not like he's been fighting for economic justice his whole career or anything.


 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
76. projection: maybe Clinton's only way of obtaining such invites is by finagling?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:32 AM
Apr 2016

The sins she accuses Sanders of are splinters compared to the timber in her own eye?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
77. That's how she does business, either buying or selling influence.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:36 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie can't be bought, that confuses and upsets people who don't know how else to do their job. It's also why so many of her supporters automatically assume he's crooked even though there's absolutely no evidence of that. They don't recognize an honest politician when they see one.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
3. Y'all still think this is some political game...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

Income inequality, poverty, and global warming are Sanders passions in life. To be invited to the Vatican on behalf of America in that regard is a dream come true... Y'all are so salty over this, it is very sad.

Here is a sad for you.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. To squelch an ugly rumor, Hillary will ~not~ be going to Hong Kong while Bernie is in the Vatican
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

No, Hillary is going to be at George Clooney's house for a glittering star studded fund raiser there, it is one of her surrogates, Gary Gensler, who will be collecting the payoffs donations in Hong Kong.

Just wanted to clear that up.



chascarrillo

(3,897 posts)
68. Any more info about donations to the Clinton Foundation being used to influence the Sec of State?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

There's a good bit of that already, after all.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
90. Maybe the same place Hillary's unaccounted millions are.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2015/09/29/the-mystery-of-hillarys-missing-millions/#59b9f0506cf4

Anyway, the Sanders accusation is only about a week old, and they give him a month to respond, so I expect we will see some answer about that shortly.

Not sure we'll ever find out more about Hillary's cash, though.

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Marr

(20,317 posts)
15. Do you ever stop and just feel sort of gross about yourself?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

Pushing stories you know are pure bullshit, I mean? Doesn't it kind of make you wonder if the person you're doing it for really deserves the sacrifice of your dignity?

Orrex

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Marr

(20,317 posts)
92. I think I understand the Hillary campaign's trouble with the word 'inevitable' now.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

They think '3-4 against' actually means '5-2 in favor'.

You just have to weight things to count the 'right people' more heavily, eh, Steve?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
86. I know, huh
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:37 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks for saying what needed to be said.

I thought about posting something similar but I'm pretty sure he's ignoring me.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
91. Thanks.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

I completely understand wanting to advocate for your candidate and attack the opposition. What I don't get is pushing smears you know are untrue.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
39. Camp Hillary is having a nervous breakdown
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

They were not prepared for this. They are just grabbing every turd they can find and flinging it against the wall, hoping something sticks.

It's pretty funny, actually.

The campaign is running off the rails. They had figured Hillary would have locked it up long ago. She's a terrible campaigner with no credible experience or platform, and the more people see of her, the less they like her.

That's why Bill has gone all racist and Hillary is shrieking at anyone who asks her an inconvenient question.

They should just hang it up and go back to their money-laundering "foundation."

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
54. They should just hang it up and go back to their money-laundering "foundation."
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

The thing is, the whole foundation is what it is based on the premise that Hillary would become POTUS.

If this does not occur, there may be a lot of investors looking for refunds.

It may not be good for them.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
43. Mort Zuckerman -- the Clinton's Hamptons buddy -- strikes again
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

Those elites really hates those populists don't they?

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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
85. Sanders' campaign managers must be SO pleased with their handiwork.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:25 AM
Apr 2016

That much ballyhooed Vatican coup seems to be going swimmingly.

Has the Pope agreed to a meet & greet with His Pureness (BS) yet? Haven't heard.


Seen on the View 8 April 2016:

Joy Behar: "Aren't you going to meet with the Pope?"

Sanders: "YUP!"


Fabricator, deceiver, tall-story teller, that's Sanders. What a disappointment he is.

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