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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:20 PM Apr 2016

Of Jews, Jewish candidates and the question of minority status

Jews in the United States represent just 1.4% of the population, an extreme minority by any definition of the word. So what is it about Jews and their failure to be recognized and afforded the protection given to other minority groups? This is a deep and difficult question and one that is very hard to fully unentangle. It invariably leads to discussions of "what is race?", "What is Judaism (race or religion) and always brings in Israel and Zionism invariably at some point -as if to excuse anti-Semitism.

Here is a really excellent article that I read on the subject, and one that I encourage others to read. When and if you do read it, please reflect on the fact that Bernie Sanders is the first Jewish candidate to run for President that has won in any US Primaries and that he is facing hundreds of years of deeply ingrained prejudice whether.

Let me also head off any comments such as "But he doesn't practice his religion!" --that is literally pure ignorance --being a Jew does not require that one either believe in god or practice one's faith. If you don't believe me, ask yourself how many of the 6 million Jews killed in the holocaust were "practicing their faith".
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The Holocaust, the Left, and the Return of Hate
http://www.thetower.org/article/the-holocaust-the-left-and-the-return-of-hate/

The European Left is struggling to combat anti-Semitism in its midst. If history is any guide, it may be a long time before their solidarity extends to Jews and Israelis.

A lot has been written in recent months about the unwelcome resurgence of political correctness and identity politics and the exasperating doctrines of the social justice Left. I will simply make the curt observation that the progressive stack—an organizing principle designed to foreground the voices of those deemed to be “marginalized”—has not been kind to Jews.

This is partly because those in charge of arranging ethnicities into a hierarchy of oppression are still trying to decide whether or not Jews should to be considered “white” and therefore “privileged,” and, as such, undeserving of the social protections from racism afforded to other minority groups (as though it were within their rights to define the Jews in the first place). This problem is, of course, exacerbated by the Livingstone Formulation.

But there is a further problem with the way racism is conceived and understood as a structural problem by social justice activists. According to the precepts of critical race theory, racism only results from a combination of prejudice and power. Since anti-Semitism is a conspiracy theory about the malign influence of a powerful and mendacious world Jewry, it essentially holds that the Jews are experiencing hatred on account of the power they hold. Anti-Semitism, therefore, is not racism at all, but something more akin to resistance.

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Behind the Aegis

(53,968 posts)
1. Something very few want to discuss, much less acknowledge.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:58 AM
Apr 2016

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It is as it has always been.

Thankfully, we have those non-Jewish folks who come along and remind us what is and isn't anti-Semitic by redefining it (it's really discrimination against "Semites" which only includes a "few" Jews, if any at all; it is really about "antipathy" or "feelings", so there is no real, solid definition, but they know it when they see it and everyone else is "playing a card"; and, unlike every other form of bigotry, Jews, some how, as if by magic, can't be anti-Semitic themselves). They also help us poor misguided souls by telling us who is and isn't really a Jew, as well as what makes a Jew. Also, if it weren't for their generosity, we'd never know that the Holocaust is something we need to "get over" and stop "playing that card" because it didn't even happen to Americans and most Jews, only the European ones, therefore, the ramifications, don't really affect us as a people. Finally, the fact that Sanders, a Jew, if he really is one (according to some), isn't really a "big deal" since we aren't really a minority and anti-Semitism is rare and something for the history books, after all, look at the powerful Jews in the media, banking, and the government.

But then again, I am not sure, given I am a Jew.

(Bonobo, I know you know, but others may not realize the hard, strong, and biting of my remarks.)

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
3. Myself , I have been following this quite closely this last year
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:54 AM
Apr 2016

And the narrative has been becoming even more disparaging with the rise of the social justice left . This whole theory of privlege and designating groups of people in it as a homogenous group is a dangerous path to be travelling .

While it may be a tool to help guide critical thinking the are now utilising it as some concrete method to analyse everyone and everything without considering how easy it is to dehumanise entire ethnicities based purely on the colour of their skin which is a vile practice for any decent person to practice .

I have no easy answers but I do think this is a mistake to embrace this untested ideology when it is prone to be utilised in ways that are detrimental to social cohesion and creating targets for all of societies ills based simply on what they were born as .

Better minds than mine have looked at this I am sure but the rumblings so far fill me with little confidence that this won't go pear shaped and once again it would appear that those of Jewish faith/heritage are once again becoming societal punching bags .

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
16. ....I know
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:31 AM
Apr 2016

It will reach a boiling point before ever being addressed . Too many have invested their careers in this form of division to let it go . What it will take I shudder to think but it will have consequences .

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. Boy, there's a lot of good stuff in there.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:55 AM
Apr 2016

I skimmed it before, but I'm rereading it now.


ETA: Here's a good line;

This tribal reflex has sometimes prevented the Left from making the most important and elementary moral distinction of all, which is not between the political Right and Left, but between democrats and authoritarians.


Put that up on the wall.

Those last few paragraphs... explain a lot, don't they.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
5. Yes it does and yes this is a long and excellent piece.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:30 AM
Apr 2016

Few will take the time to read it. But more should.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. My kid recently went to the Holocaust Museum in DC.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:41 AM
Apr 2016

He's pretty - frighteningly, really- well informed about history, politics, current events and all that... pretty much tore through my entire set of bookshelves in the space of a couple years. But after he got back we had that conversation about Anti-Semitism and how "we would have qualified". Doesn't matter that he's an Atheist or the old man fancies himself a Zen Buddhist (and an Atheist) ... at least as far as Hitler was concerned, we're Jews, end of story.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. Good for him, yeah, that's the bottom line. And it may sound facile to some.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:47 AM
Apr 2016

But it really IS the bottom line.

Wherever Jews went, they probably felt safe for a while after integrating into the society. But invariably the ugly beast raises its head and it's off to another country.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. Yeah, I have a wing of the family that were "early adopters"- both coming to the US, & assimilation.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:50 AM
Apr 2016

but my mom still remembers as a kid not being able to go to certain fancy hotels in the summer until August because "that was when they let the Jews come"

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. I know ive talked about this before, but i grew up in a mostly jewish community
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:10 AM
Apr 2016

So in some ways i was more the odd man out from being a product of a mixed family that wasnt religious at all, than anything else. I caught shit as a kid from the Christian AND Jewish kids, for not really fitting on either team, and being an outspoken atheist smartass to boot (The more things change)

But it wasnt until i moved away, really, that I encountered open anti-semitism. The first time I heard someone say something like that - i dont know, something about "ahhhh, that bank is a bunch of jews" or some shit (they didnt look at me and think 'jewish') my jaw hit the floor.

Anyone who had said something like that where I grew up...

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
11. I hear you.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:14 AM
Apr 2016

I thought that quote was really interesting about how anti-Semitism is itself based on the idea that Jews control everything, so it is not consistent with them being treated as victims of racism/prejudice since the very anti-semitic attitudes essentially act like the AIDS virus and destroy the immunity before defenses can be mounted. Weird analogy, I'm tired. Saw a great concert last night.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. Well, like my wife is competely not surprised by the shit going down in Europe.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:19 AM
Apr 2016

I mean i remember when we would go to the iraq war protests and id have to keep her from getting into arguments with the international ANSWER people who would try to hijack the thing and make it about Palestine.

What concert?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
17. A good read, but like you said, most won't bother.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

Many claim that not only is anti-Semitism not a problem on the left but that it hasn't been used against Senator Sanders.

Well, we knew it would happen when Bernie announced and they're outing themselves all over the place, some are subtle, others are rabid.

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