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Bernie Sanders is trying to retroactively steal Missouri from Hillary Clinton as we speak (Original Post) NWCorona Apr 2016 OP
You'd think this would make them pay attention, second time around. Not a fluke. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #1
Yup! NWCorona Apr 2016 #2
if they were excited to support her they would have been there with bells on. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #5
BELLS ON! NWCorona Apr 2016 #8
I'm thinking some of them were paid the first time. Just my take onecaliberal Apr 2016 #12
That's not the first time I heard that. NWCorona Apr 2016 #18
It definitely explains why someone would show up and spend hours supposedly onecaliberal Apr 2016 #29
Yup! NWCorona Apr 2016 #31
you can't follow up, you deserve the results. roguevalley Apr 2016 #35
That isn't a good look for a frontrunner... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #3
I loved Blaine and Antoine!!! Raster Apr 2016 #30
Memories! NWCorona Apr 2016 #32
How come creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #4
Being precautions before the vote takes place NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
If the will of the voters is so important to outcomes, Hillary should give up her Superdelegates.nt leveymg Apr 2016 #7
Likewise creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #20
In that case, all things being equal, she'll gladly trade her Superdelegates for Missouri. Right? leveymg Apr 2016 #25
One involves deception, the other doesn't. winter is coming Apr 2016 #9
Because we're a sick bunch, and we love the Clinton Campaigns total ineptitude. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #10
Legal corruption is fine. joshcryer Apr 2016 #11
Disenfranchisement troubling you? See my comment above about Hillary's Superdelegates. leveymg Apr 2016 #28
What makes you think I would disagree with that comment? joshcryer Apr 2016 #37
My apologies. leveymg Apr 2016 #61
Hey I'm the first one to say I hate caucuses. I am very angry at my state Democratic Party for liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #16
I am a delegate in a caucus state CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #34
When Hillary starts losing Aerows Apr 2016 #51
Congratulations itsrobert Apr 2016 #13
Ewwwwwww. The daily trash bin. Ewwwwwww. djean111 Apr 2016 #14
Superdelegates are "rules in place for quite some time." joshcryer Apr 2016 #40
I got a kick out of going to that Hillary loving e-rag and seeing a Judicial Watch ad in the middle BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #15
Sweet! NWCorona Apr 2016 #21
"Comments closed" artislife Apr 2016 #17
Like the old saying: RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #19
Or the newer version elljay Apr 2016 #38
Bushisms! NWCorona Apr 2016 #42
That's my favorite one! dchill Apr 2016 #52
My favorite is "strategery" NWCorona Apr 2016 #56
The best thing he ever did was duck those shoes thrown at his head. Not bad for an old drunk. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #58
I always liked "misunderestimate". nt elljay Apr 2016 #62
Classic! nt NWCorona Apr 2016 #64
Oh yes, this was priceless... A hall of fame bushism. JudyM Apr 2016 #63
Is that article Onion material satire, or what? delrem Apr 2016 #22
The dailytrashbin is like the onion put through the dehumorizing machine virtualobserver Apr 2016 #36
I think it is Satire srobert Apr 2016 #65
Kinda like climate change deniers. delrem Apr 2016 #68
hillary is trying to do the same thing in colorado SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #23
Oh no! Bring your cell phone and take videos. Keep us posted. jillan Apr 2016 #26
at the last round there were no shows on both sides SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #33
I will be very interested to hear how Colorado shakes out CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #39
That sounds promising! Make sure you fill us in with an update in the Bernie group jillan Apr 2016 #46
They are not having a very good day. jillan Apr 2016 #24
Nope! NWCorona Apr 2016 #43
Not going to be much better tomorrow when Bernie crushes her in Wyoming. jillan Apr 2016 #44
I so hope Hillary's locked out of delegates! NWCorona Apr 2016 #45
Did she even campaign there? Probably not. It's one of those states that don't matter to her. jillan Apr 2016 #47
I don't think so and she was in close proximity a few times. NWCorona Apr 2016 #48
+1 Zira Apr 2016 #54
Truth wil out! floppyboo Apr 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #41
the daily news bin again, trash bin more like it, hollysmom Apr 2016 #49
Agreed! NWCorona Apr 2016 #50
sanders is cheating and not telling the truth trueblue2007 Apr 2016 #53
That is not an article, it's a blog. Kittycat Apr 2016 #57
Because trashing fellow democrats is so awesome MFM008 Apr 2016 #55
I have been a delegate in a caucus state. SheilaT Apr 2016 #59
Democrats have different rules than Republicans Gothmog Apr 2016 #60
Daily News Bin isn't a source AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #66
I know NWCorona Apr 2016 #67

onecaliberal

(32,882 posts)
1. You'd think this would make them pay attention, second time around. Not a fluke.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

Her support is very soft.

onecaliberal

(32,882 posts)
29. It definitely explains why someone would show up and spend hours supposedly
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016

Supporting but then not show up for the follow up meetings.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
3. That isn't a good look for a frontrunner...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

Can't even get your support out to seal the deal... embarrassing!

creeksneakers2

(7,476 posts)
4. How come
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie supporters here were outraged about a group of caucus voters wearing the wrong t-shirts but are just fine with the whole outcome of an election not reflecting the will of the voters?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. Being precautions before the vote takes place
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:44 AM
Apr 2016

Is different than elected delegates not showing up. What should we do? We aren't gonna hold our delegates back lol

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
25. In that case, all things being equal, she'll gladly trade her Superdelegates for Missouri. Right?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

Sounds like an equitable deal to me.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
10. Because we're a sick bunch, and we love the Clinton Campaigns total ineptitude.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, once again.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
11. Legal corruption is fine.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

As long as it's our guys doing it.

Frankly I think it's disgusting whenever the system allows for any sort of disenfranchisement, and in particular, I expect Democrats to not be taken by it, even though it can be enticing.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
37. What makes you think I would disagree with that comment?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016

I think SDs are also disenfranchising and unnecessary. I think we should do away with all caucuses, too.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
16. Hey I'm the first one to say I hate caucuses. I am very angry at my state Democratic Party for
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

deciding to choose all of their delegates from the caucus instead of our mail in ballot primary. We Washingtonians love our mail in ballot primary. I can only conclude that because WA was heavily for Bernie they wanted to suppress the vote which they did. WA still went heavily for Bernie however. Didn't exactly work the way they wanted it to. I have always hated caucuses but as long as parties decide to have them then they have to live with the results of those choices. If their delegates don't show up, that is not the fault of Bernie or Bernie supporters. At my precinct caucus, there was a very long pause before anyone would volunteer to be a Hillary delegate and she was complaining about her schedule. I have to wonder if she will show up at the next level caucus.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
34. I am a delegate in a caucus state
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:17 AM
Apr 2016

and the first night of the caucus--is only the first step in the process. The first night of the caucus the final total is always referred to as "estimated delegates" or "delegate equivalents."

After caucus night, we have County Conventions, District Conventions, State Conventions and the National Convention.

Delegates must show up at each Convention and be counted.

The night of the caucus, delegates are named and told that they must show up at County Conventions. Great effort is put into getting delegates to these conventions.

This is the third time that we have heard that Hillary delegates haven't shown up. In my state of Iowa, 117 Hillary delegates were no-shows in my county alone--the largest county in Iowa. Hillary initially won my county by 24 percent, the night of the Iowa caucuses; but after our County Convention (because her people didn't show up), she is only ahead by one delegate.

In Nevada, I've heard that 600 of her delegates didn't show in Clark County. Now Missouri.

The responsibility is on the supporters to get their butts to these conventions.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
51. When Hillary starts losing
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:10 AM
Apr 2016

her supporters play dumb and act like they have no idea how the nomination process works.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
14. Ewwwwwww. The daily trash bin. Ewwwwwww.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

Innit funny how the will of the voters means squat if we are talking about superdelegates, or polling places running out of ballots, or people are told to just go home - but when Hillary's peeps just don't show up when they are supposed to, and we all follow the rules that have been in place for quite a while, "the will of the voters" is squawked about? Not like Bernie's delegates were forcing Hillary's delegates to sit and stand around for hours and hours for recount after recount, hoping a bunch would give up, right? The delegates just did not show up.

The will of the delegates!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
40. Superdelegates are "rules in place for quite some time."
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:27 AM
Apr 2016

Just like convoluted apportioning rules for delegates. Why is one worth criticizing over the other if they affect the will of the voters?

Hillary's people doing recounts at the caucuses was shit, too, that's just one of many many reasons caucuses are undemocratic.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
15. I got a kick out of going to that Hillary loving e-rag and seeing a Judicial Watch ad in the middle
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

Saying stop the Clinton Corruption. LOL.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
17. "Comments closed"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016


I am making sure all my Bernie Deles and alternates show up on the 17th. We are going to be there in force.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
22. Is that article Onion material satire, or what?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:55 AM
Apr 2016

Perhaps the problem is one of MATH.
If one has the numbers, it was claimed that 90%+ of Dems supported Hillary Clinton going into this circus so it was a god-given coronation, but doesn't have any enthusiasm that isn't bought, then one doesn't have numbers that can actually cover a real election.
MATH can be multi-level, especially when it factors in TIME.

 

srobert

(81 posts)
65. I think it is Satire
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

I read through a couple of the "news" stories there. I think they are satire even though the author of the site specifically denies that the site is a fake or satirical news site. It's like a form of dry humor that I've seen from members of the "Flat Earth Society" who won't admit that they're only joking.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
68. Kinda like climate change deniers.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

Like the companies that denied that smoking chemically enhanced tobacco entailed a cancer risk.

It might provide material for satire, but it's still real.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
23. hillary is trying to do the same thing in colorado
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

hillarys superdelegate - 7th district - called me yesterday - to make plans for saturday - i let the conversation go for a while before i dropped the Sanders bomb

conversation ended quickly after that

it starts in colorado in about ten hours

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
33. at the last round there were no shows on both sides
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:08 AM
Apr 2016

not enough to make a difference

i have been called five times by sanders people making sure that i am there

i think we will be fine

we might even pick up a delegate or two in colorado

hillary has a core of dino's - old women who have work for the party for a long time but...

the Sanders supporters here are very very motivated

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
39. I will be very interested to hear how Colorado shakes out
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:23 AM
Apr 2016

We've heard that in Iowa, Nevada and now Missouri--that Hillary's delegates have been not showing up.

It will be interesting to see if these states are anomalies, or if this is a trend.

I was shocked that 117 of Clinton's supporters were no-shows in my County alone.

Please let us know!

Response to NWCorona (Original post)

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
49. the daily news bin again, trash bin more like it,
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:00 AM
Apr 2016

I thought we have proven what a load of crap that blog is.Every time someone uses it, it puts any respect for them in play.

trueblue2007

(17,234 posts)
53. sanders is cheating and not telling the truth
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:13 AM
Apr 2016

FROM THE ARTICLE IN THE OP

Sanders supporters once again tried to steal a state.

Their claim this is once again that delegates for Hillary Clinton mysteriously failed to show up; last time they made this claim, it was because a local official who was apparently in the tank for Sanders sent out messages telling Clinton delegates they didn’t need to show up, while Sanders supporters – seemingly aware in advance that such an opportunity was going to be created – organized to pack the hall so they could be named alternate delegates.

This time around it’s not yet clear how the Bernie Sanders supporters managed to deceive the Hillary Clinton delegates into not showing up, which is an occurrence that could not possibly happen without trickery or subterfuge being involved. The forum post makes the asinine false claim that the delegates assigned to Clinton “just don’t show up for her” while the Reddit post makes the equally ludicrous claim that Bernie is now the “winner” of Missouri – a state which Hillary definitely won without any question three weeks ago.

Again, these “sources” are to be looked upon with extreme skepticism, because they represent claims being made by individuals who are bragging about having rigged the delegate process against the will of the people. If they’re willing to cheat, they’re willing to lie about the results of their cheating. In other words, even though the Sanders supporters once again cheated at a delegate nominating convention, it’s nearly a given that Clinton is still the winner of Missouri. Fact checkers have already confirmed that Hillary Clinton is still the winner of Nevada.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
57. That is not an article, it's a blog.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:29 AM
Apr 2016

That's already been vetted out. All delegates received the same message. But sanders camp reaches out multiple times to their delegates. I did see thatbHRC reaches out tonher's in NV as well. But motivation and enthusiasm play a roll here.

If anyone is disenfranchising voters it's the delegates that don't show up. they are given their information on caucus day, to start. It's on their dem websites, then they're sent reminders. If you want to be counted, you need to show up. Simple. In primary and caucus states we elect delegates, the process is just different getting to national.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
55. Because trashing fellow democrats is so awesome
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016

and will work so well in November against Trump/Ryan/Cruz.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
59. I have been a delegate in a caucus state.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:27 AM
Apr 2016

Actually, I've been a delegate in two different caucus states. It's not some weird and obscure mystery that it is a multi-step process, and that once you're a delegate in the first place you have to show up at the next step of the process.

So if Hillary delegates don't show up, IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF BERNIE SANDERS. Do I need to repeat that? If a candidate's delegates don't show up at the next level, it's not the other candidate's fault.

It seems as if in Nevada, and apparently in some other caucus states, that the Hillary delegates were somewhat less than fully committed to her. Hmmm. I wonder why.

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
60. Democrats have different rules than Republicans
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

Under the Missouri Delegate Selection plan, the results of the primary are binding and can not be changes. See rule 6A of the Delegate Selection plan https://drive.google.com/a/chriskoster.com/file/d/0Bw8qd8A8ZSVLY0RGWFNtMlJkdXc/view?pref=2&pli=1 In addition each Candidate has approval rights over their delegates under rule 5 of the Delegation Selection Plan. In Texas, I have been asked to help vet the delegates to the national convention for my Senate district for the Clinton campaign. The campaign takes this vetting process seriously.

I am not sure what the Sanders people think that they are doing. The primary is binding and they can not change the results fo the primary under Missouri Democratic party rules.

BTW, the Nevada delegate selection plan is also clear and the Sanders people will not be able to steal Nevada http://nvdems.3cdn.net/728ffa1321e41a0452_9ym6idkbz.pdf

Nevada is a caucus/convention state. Accordingly, delegate and
alternate positions shall be allocated so as to fairly reflect the
expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the
caucus participants in each district. Therefore, the national
convention delegates elected at the district level shall be allocated
in proportion to the percentage of the caucus vote won in that
district by each preference, except that preferences falling below a
15% threshold shall not be awarded any delegates or alternates.
(Rule 13.B)
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