2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is trying to retroactively steal Missouri from Hillary Clinton as we speak
I'll let the link speak for itself but it's funny that it's Bernie's fault Hillary delegates didn't show up lol!
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-is-trying-to-retroactively-steal-missouri-from-hillary-clinton-as-we-speak/24406/
It's pure
onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)Her support is very soft.
They only had one job to do... Show up!
onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I would have loved to be a delegate. I don't get it.
onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)Supporting but then not show up for the follow up meetings.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Can't even get your support out to seal the deal... embarrassing!
Raster
(20,998 posts)I LOVED THE "Z" FORMATION!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_on...
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)Bernie supporters here were outraged about a group of caucus voters wearing the wrong t-shirts but are just fine with the whole outcome of an election not reflecting the will of the voters?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Is different than elected delegates not showing up. What should we do? We aren't gonna hold our delegates back lol
leveymg
(36,418 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)If the will of the voters isn't important, she should keep them.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Sounds like an equitable deal to me.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)It's on Hillary's supporters if they can't be arsed to show up.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, once again.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)As long as it's our guys doing it.
Frankly I think it's disgusting whenever the system allows for any sort of disenfranchisement, and in particular, I expect Democrats to not be taken by it, even though it can be enticing.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I think SDs are also disenfranchising and unnecessary. I think we should do away with all caucuses, too.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)deciding to choose all of their delegates from the caucus instead of our mail in ballot primary. We Washingtonians love our mail in ballot primary. I can only conclude that because WA was heavily for Bernie they wanted to suppress the vote which they did. WA still went heavily for Bernie however. Didn't exactly work the way they wanted it to. I have always hated caucuses but as long as parties decide to have them then they have to live with the results of those choices. If their delegates don't show up, that is not the fault of Bernie or Bernie supporters. At my precinct caucus, there was a very long pause before anyone would volunteer to be a Hillary delegate and she was complaining about her schedule. I have to wonder if she will show up at the next level caucus.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and the first night of the caucus--is only the first step in the process. The first night of the caucus the final total is always referred to as "estimated delegates" or "delegate equivalents."
After caucus night, we have County Conventions, District Conventions, State Conventions and the National Convention.
Delegates must show up at each Convention and be counted.
The night of the caucus, delegates are named and told that they must show up at County Conventions. Great effort is put into getting delegates to these conventions.
This is the third time that we have heard that Hillary delegates haven't shown up. In my state of Iowa, 117 Hillary delegates were no-shows in my county alone--the largest county in Iowa. Hillary initially won my county by 24 percent, the night of the Iowa caucuses; but after our County Convention (because her people didn't show up), she is only ahead by one delegate.
In Nevada, I've heard that 600 of her delegates didn't show in Clark County. Now Missouri.
The responsibility is on the supporters to get their butts to these conventions.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)her supporters play dumb and act like they have no idea how the nomination process works.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)nice win.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Innit funny how the will of the voters means squat if we are talking about superdelegates, or polling places running out of ballots, or people are told to just go home - but when Hillary's peeps just don't show up when they are supposed to, and we all follow the rules that have been in place for quite a while, "the will of the voters" is squawked about? Not like Bernie's delegates were forcing Hillary's delegates to sit and stand around for hours and hours for recount after recount, hoping a bunch would give up, right? The delegates just did not show up.
The will of the delegates!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Just like convoluted apportioning rules for delegates. Why is one worth criticizing over the other if they affect the will of the voters?
Hillary's people doing recounts at the caucuses was shit, too, that's just one of many many reasons caucuses are undemocratic.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Saying stop the Clinton Corruption. LOL.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But that means Brock is getting ad money from them lol.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I am making sure all my Bernie Deles and alternates show up on the 17th. We are going to be there in force.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)fool me once, shame on you.
fool me twice, shame on me.
elljay
(1,178 posts)dchill
(38,516 posts)"Then I'll get on my knees and pray...
We don't get fooled again!"
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bush was entertaining at times
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)JudyM
(29,263 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Perhaps the problem is one of MATH.
If one has the numbers, it was claimed that 90%+ of Dems supported Hillary Clinton going into this circus so it was a god-given coronation, but doesn't have any enthusiasm that isn't bought, then one doesn't have numbers that can actually cover a real election.
MATH can be multi-level, especially when it factors in TIME.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)srobert
(81 posts)I read through a couple of the "news" stories there. I think they are satire even though the author of the site specifically denies that the site is a fake or satirical news site. It's like a form of dry humor that I've seen from members of the "Flat Earth Society" who won't admit that they're only joking.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Like the companies that denied that smoking chemically enhanced tobacco entailed a cancer risk.
It might provide material for satire, but it's still real.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)hillarys superdelegate - 7th district - called me yesterday - to make plans for saturday - i let the conversation go for a while before i dropped the Sanders bomb
conversation ended quickly after that
it starts in colorado in about ten hours
jillan
(39,451 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)not enough to make a difference
i have been called five times by sanders people making sure that i am there
i think we will be fine
we might even pick up a delegate or two in colorado
hillary has a core of dino's - old women who have work for the party for a long time but...
the Sanders supporters here are very very motivated
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)We've heard that in Iowa, Nevada and now Missouri--that Hillary's delegates have been not showing up.
It will be interesting to see if these states are anomalies, or if this is a trend.
I was shocked that 117 of Clinton's supporters were no-shows in my County alone.
Please let us know!
jillan
(39,451 posts)when you can
jillan
(39,451 posts)Isn't this the second week with no good news for Hillary?
jillan
(39,451 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Kinda sad really
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)no stopping now!!!!
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hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I thought we have proven what a load of crap that blog is.Every time someone uses it, it puts any respect for them in play.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But to be able to throw it back at them is pretty nice.
trueblue2007
(17,234 posts)FROM THE ARTICLE IN THE OP
Sanders supporters once again tried to steal a state.
Their claim this is once again that delegates for Hillary Clinton mysteriously failed to show up; last time they made this claim, it was because a local official who was apparently in the tank for Sanders sent out messages telling Clinton delegates they didnt need to show up, while Sanders supporters seemingly aware in advance that such an opportunity was going to be created organized to pack the hall so they could be named alternate delegates.
This time around its not yet clear how the Bernie Sanders supporters managed to deceive the Hillary Clinton delegates into not showing up, which is an occurrence that could not possibly happen without trickery or subterfuge being involved. The forum post makes the asinine false claim that the delegates assigned to Clinton just dont show up for her while the Reddit post makes the equally ludicrous claim that Bernie is now the winner of Missouri a state which Hillary definitely won without any question three weeks ago.
Again, these sources are to be looked upon with extreme skepticism, because they represent claims being made by individuals who are bragging about having rigged the delegate process against the will of the people. If theyre willing to cheat, theyre willing to lie about the results of their cheating. In other words, even though the Sanders supporters once again cheated at a delegate nominating convention, its nearly a given that Clinton is still the winner of Missouri. Fact checkers have already confirmed that Hillary Clinton is still the winner of Nevada.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)That's already been vetted out. All delegates received the same message. But sanders camp reaches out multiple times to their delegates. I did see thatbHRC reaches out tonher's in NV as well. But motivation and enthusiasm play a roll here.
If anyone is disenfranchising voters it's the delegates that don't show up. they are given their information on caucus day, to start. It's on their dem websites, then they're sent reminders. If you want to be counted, you need to show up. Simple. In primary and caucus states we elect delegates, the process is just different getting to national.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)and will work so well in November against Trump/Ryan/Cruz.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Actually, I've been a delegate in two different caucus states. It's not some weird and obscure mystery that it is a multi-step process, and that once you're a delegate in the first place you have to show up at the next step of the process.
So if Hillary delegates don't show up, IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF BERNIE SANDERS. Do I need to repeat that? If a candidate's delegates don't show up at the next level, it's not the other candidate's fault.
It seems as if in Nevada, and apparently in some other caucus states, that the Hillary delegates were somewhat less than fully committed to her. Hmmm. I wonder why.
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)Under the Missouri Delegate Selection plan, the results of the primary are binding and can not be changes. See rule 6A of the Delegate Selection plan https://drive.google.com/a/chriskoster.com/file/d/0Bw8qd8A8ZSVLY0RGWFNtMlJkdXc/view?pref=2&pli=1 In addition each Candidate has approval rights over their delegates under rule 5 of the Delegation Selection Plan. In Texas, I have been asked to help vet the delegates to the national convention for my Senate district for the Clinton campaign. The campaign takes this vetting process seriously.
I am not sure what the Sanders people think that they are doing. The primary is binding and they can not change the results fo the primary under Missouri Democratic party rules.
BTW, the Nevada delegate selection plan is also clear and the Sanders people will not be able to steal Nevada http://nvdems.3cdn.net/728ffa1321e41a0452_9ym6idkbz.pdf
alternate positions shall be allocated so as to fairly reflect the
expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the
caucus participants in each district. Therefore, the national
convention delegates elected at the district level shall be allocated
in proportion to the percentage of the caucus vote won in that
district by each preference, except that preferences falling below a
15% threshold shall not be awarded any delegates or alternates.
(Rule 13.B)
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Except to Hillary partisans
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It was just some reverse psychology.