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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:54 AM Apr 2016

Sanders Back in the Old Neighborhood to Make His Case

The brief visit on Friday notwithstanding, Mr. Sanders, 74, seemed to be viewed by residents of his old neighborhood less as a native son and more as a novelty. Nowhere was that more the case than in the apartment building where he lived with his family as a boy.
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Asked what she thought of him, Ms. Lazareva laughed with delight. “Oh, I hate him!” she said.

Ms. Lazareva, who hails from Moscow, recalled waiting in line for three hours each morning to get a jug of milk as a little girl living under communism. “If you lived under socialists, you’d hate them too,” she said. “They make everyone poor.”

Although Mr. Sanders, as a self-described democratic socialist, has a vision for America that is distinct from the economic system in the former Soviet Union, the word “socialist” was enough to provoke anxiety in Ms. Lazareva.
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She was unmoved. “Everyone will be hungry, everyone will be poor,” she said. “If it will be Sanders, we will have the same here. Everybody who comes from a communist country, Russians, Eastern Europeans, even Latinos from Cuba, feel this way. When you know what will happen, when you see it — you’re Republican.”



Farida Lazareva, 57, who hails from Moscow, said she was not a Bernie Sanders supporter, even though she was excited that he once lived in her apartment building. “If you lived under socialists, you’d hate them too,” she said. Credit Kirsten Luce for The New York Times


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/09/nyregion/bernie-sanders-back-in-the-old-neighborhood-to-make-his-case.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region

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Interesting reaction on the ground to Sanders, the self-described "Democratic Socialist".
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femmedem

(8,204 posts)
1. What a grossly biased article, conflating communism with democraticic socialism.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:07 AM
Apr 2016

I understand that they're quoting someone from his old building, but there are ignorant people everywhere. It's the NYTime's choice to run a photograph of that particular wrong-headed resident and give her so many paragraphs of ink.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. You know who's worse than ignorant immigrants? So called liberals who red bait.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:14 AM
Apr 2016

They're either too stupid to know the difference because they slept through class or they know and choose to act like Republicans because it's just so fun to push bigoted stereotypes!

Never thought I would see red baiting here, but I was wrong, one group does it on a daily basis.


myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
6. Yes, Bernie Sanders will cause bread lines and everyone will be poor underneath
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

That commie. Nice red baiting. Wow.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. So believes Ms. Lazareva and many like her. 'Tis a reality that will
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

become ever more apparent as Sanders is vetted more thoroughly, and his fundamental beliefs put under the magnifying glass.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
8. He believes nothing of the sort- but you know that. This is just more silly red baiting.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

People believe Obama is a communist Muslim. He's been vetted too.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. What's at issue is public perceptions, not Sanders' beliefs per se. Ms. Lazareva and thousands
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

of refugees from authoritarian communist-cum-socialist regimes have every reason to be apprehensive about the "socialist" label.

Former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics-- that's the place she chose to leave.

Back in the USSR,
You don't know how lucky you are.
Back in the US, back in the US,
Back in the USSR

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
10. Many perceive the President is being a communist Muslim.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

It's wrong and they're daft. Sanders hasn't hidden away from his core beliefs and embraces the political philosophy of Democratic Socialist. People know the difference between Sweden and Stalinist Russia.

It will be a problem for some, but again many people think Hillary Clinton is a lesbian who murdered Vince Foster for blowing the whistle on their cocane ring. It's absurd, but. People believe what they will, regardless.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
11. You are aware that he's only added the "democratic" qualifier since
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

he launched his presidential bid?

For the major part of his political career, he proudly and gladly embraced the "socialist" denomination as such, without the "democratic" addendum, and occasionally expressed his admiration for "socialist" leaders and regimes.

But, for Ms. Lavareva and her fellows, those finer points will of course be lost, and only the "Socialist" label will stand out in their minds.

As for Obama being unfairly labelled with all manner of libelous qualifiers, it certainly hasn't helped advance the success of his presidency.

There are legitimate concerns that Sanders' self-acknowledged "socialist" tag would hamper any eventual mandate.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
12. I'm fine with how Sanders defines himself.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

He's not the red scare boogeyman that people are making him out to be. Again, people know the difference between Norway and Stalinsit Russia.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. When most average people hear the word "Socialist", their first thought
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

is NOT of Norway or Sweden (or even France). The USSR, Cuba, or certain other Latin American regimes, past or present, are most likely to spring to mind.

Your average man-in-the-streeet, that is, not your Poli Sci major or political junkie.

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