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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:30 AM Apr 2016

Hillary has a history of promoting Henry Kissinger

Hillary Clinton’s Promoting Kissinger: An Insult to History


Nothing more symbolizes how the temptations of how power can corrupt youthful values and idealism than Secretary Hillary Clinton’s invitation to Henry Kissinger and Richard Holbrooke to keynote a major State Department conference on the history of the Indochina war. As an idealistic college student, Clinton protested Kissinger’s mass murder of civilians in Indochina. She knows full well that had the international laws protecting civilians in war been applied to Kissinger’s bombing of civilian targets in Indochina he would have been indicted for crimes of war.


But on Sept. 29 she will introduce Kissinger at the State Department Historian’s conference, giving him a platform to continue 40 years of Orwellian deception in which he has sought to blame Congress for the fall of Indochina rather than accepting responsibility for his own massive miscalculations and indifference to human suffering.


Clinton has also invited Richard Holbrooke, who as State Department head of Afghanistan/Pakistan policy has learned nothing from history and is repeating precisely the same policies that caused the U.S. to lose in Indochina — support of a corrupt and unpopular regime that cannot stand on its own. Inviting Holbrooke is particularly egregious, because following Obama’s strategy review, according to Bob Woodward’s new book. “Perhaps the most pessimistic view came from Richard Holbrooke. ‘It can’t work,’ he said.” Lacking even a fraction of the integrity and moral courage of a Daniel Ellsberg, however, Holbrooke continues to promote in public a policy he privately believes is doomed to fail.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-branfman/hillary-clintons-promotin_b_742287.html

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Hillary has a history of promoting Henry Kissinger (Original Post) FreakinDJ Apr 2016 OP
That was Hillary's protest period in her 20's that she was talking about this week BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #1
that's the type of people and policies she embraces amborin Apr 2016 #2
You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep. Octafish Apr 2016 #3
Ego Te Absolvo GliderGuider Apr 2016 #11
Didn't know about the Clinton privatizing Social Security Chile connection Ichingcarpenter Apr 2016 #12
There was also the murder of Orlando Letelier Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #17
In her circles, an association with Kissinger is a *good* thing. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #4
The word you are looking for is hubris. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #7
Her supporters here apparently think the Pope is worse than Kissinger. eShirl Apr 2016 #5
The Pope went under the Clinton bus this week along with Green Peace and Black Lives Matter. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #6
She has a problem understanding the concept of 'Corruption' and War Crimes Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #8
If you been carrying pictures of Henry the K Fumesucker Apr 2016 #9
"don't you know its gonna be...all wrong...all wrong". n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #15
No invitation to Daniel Ellsberg? Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #10
It's politics that's promoting Kissinger, not Hillary Onlooker Apr 2016 #13
Pretty much a "Failed Comparison" for a Hillary supporter FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #14
Clinton's Kissinger praise goes back years polly7 Apr 2016 #16
HC Supporting Kissinger!!?? I remember when Hill gleamed saying she studied him appalachiablue Apr 2016 #18
He's her Gandalf. nt raouldukelives Apr 2016 #19
That's an insult to humanity Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #20
If you defend a monster you are a monster, yourself. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #21

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
1. That was Hillary's protest period in her 20's that she was talking about this week
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

when she was talking down to young voters who prefer Bernie by 80-20 and greater margins.

"As an idealistic college student, Clinton protested Kissinger’s mass murder of civilians in Indochina."

And then she became close friends with Henry Kissinger. Now she is worth hundreds of millions and running for President.

That is her message to young people.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016


An Open Letter to Henry Kissinger from One of Pinochet's Political Prisoners

The Last Man of the Junta

by FERNANDO A. TORRES
CounterPunch, DECEMBER 12, 2006

All of the original members of the military junta that overthrew Allende and his government with the knowledge and the direct support of the US government, are now gone.

Nixon is gone and Kissinger is left alone on this earth.

Now we will never know the number of secrets or the details that they took to their graves with them. Nor will we ever know the whereabouts of the missing ones— every single one of them. I also wonder if justice will prevail and will catch up with Kissinger, the last man of the Junta? F.T.

"I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." – Henry Kissinger


An open letter to Henry Kissinger

I was not an "irresponsible" Chilean sir, but I did pay the heavy price of your words.

Mr. Henry Kissinger
Kissinger Associates.
New York

I do remember your reprimand to Chileans when they elected socialist Salvador Allende in 1970: "We cannot allow a country to go Marxist just because its people are irresponsible"

Although we were used to this kind of rhetoric coming out from the White House those years, we couldn’t imagine that those opprobrious words of yours would eventually seal the future of Chile in one of the most horrendous episodes in Latin America’s history. Yes, I can say we underestimated you sir.

Bombs falling from the skies, towers and buildings destroyed, hundreds of people butchered. Thousands missing and soccer stadiums converted into concentrations camps. Do you remember this, your own 9/11?

Since day one; since before Allende was ratified by Chilean parliament as its legitimate President, you, Secretary of Sate and National Security Advisor, Mr. Kissinger, were plotting the overthrow of Allende. You conjured up the assassination of General Rene Schneider — who supported the Chilean Constitution — to provoke an early military coup.

You plotted a "two track" policy toward this small country aimed, on the one hand, to isolate Allende internationally and, on the other (more dirty) hand, to provoked a military coup through assassinations, political subversion and economic sabotage.

Your goal, Mr. Kissinger, in uniting military leaders in neighboring countries to pressure Chile, later became "Operation Condor", which was the coordination of the secret political police forces to carry out exchange of information and prisoners, kidnappings, torture, and political assassination such as the one against Orlando Letelier and his aide Ronni Moffit carried out in Washington DC by Chilean and Cuban terrorists lead by CIA agents Michael Townley and Novo Sampol [who later was convicted in Panama for various terrorists attack and an attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro, but was eventually freed at the behest of the United States, which pulled the strings on the outgoing puppet president, Mireya Moscoso].

You, Mr. Kissinger, and Nixon lied to Congress, given misleading information and assuring the US played no role in Chile’s democracy deceased. You may know that at the time there was no danger of the elusive "weapons of mass destruction" but the "danger" of the spread of communism in the southern cone. You believed Chile’s "irresponsible" people were prescribing a wrong example; Chile was a dangerous "dagger pointed at the heart of Antarctica," as you put it. A dagger that needs to be removed at any cost. Allende must be stopped even at the expense of democracy itself.

Because 9/11/1973 is of your absolute responsibility Mr. Kissinger, we the "irresponsible" people of Chile are naming you the Chilean version of Osama Bin laden, to say the least.

Mr. Kissinger, I was not an "irresponsible" Chilean because I was a 14 year old kid that couldn’t vote, but I did have to fully pay the heavy and bloody price of your words, sir. However thinking about your role not only in Chile but in Indochina, East Timor, Cyprus, your betrayal of the Kurds in Iraq, your unconditional support of South Africa’s Apartheid, etc. etc., I can say something you cannot: my hands are clean.

Sincerely

FERNANDO A. TORRES

FERNANDO A. TORRES was a political prisoner in Chile when he was sent to exile in 1977. He is now a freelance journalist.

SOURCE: http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/12/12/the-last-man-of-the-junta/



[font size="5"][font color="green"]What does the future hold? In the following, the author was one of the "Chicago Boys" helping Pinochet implement the austerity scam:[/font color][/font size]


President Clinton and the Chilean Model.

By José Piñera

Midnight at the House of Good and Evil

"It is 12:30 at night, and Bill Clinton asks me and Dottie: 'What do you know about the Chilean social-security system?'” recounted Richard Lamm, the three-term former governor of Colorado. It was March 1995, and Lamm and his wife were staying that weekend in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.

I read about this surprising midnight conversation in an article by Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, May 13, 1996), as I was waiting at Dulles International Airport for a flight to Europe. The article also said that early the next morning, before he left to go jogging, President Bill Clinton arranged for a special report about the Chilean reform produced by his staff to be slipped under Lamm's door.

That news piqued my interest, so as soon as I came back to the United States, I went to visit Richard Lamm. I wanted to know the exact circumstances in which the president of the world’s superpower engages a fellow former governor in a Saturday night exchange about the system I had implemented 15 years earlier.

Lamn and I shared a coffee on the terrace of his house in Denver. He not only was the most genial host to this curious Chilean, but he also proved to be deeply motivated by the issues surrounding aging and the future of America. So we had an engaging conversation. At the conclusion, I ventured to ask him for a copy of the report that Clinton had given him. He agreed to give it to me on the condition that I do not make it public while Clinton was president. He also gave me a copy of the handwritten note on White House stationery, dated 3-21-95, which accompanied the report slipped under his door. It read:

Dick,
Sorry I missed you this morning.
It was great to have you and Dottie here.
Here's the stuff on Chile I mentioned.
Best,
Bill.


Three months before that Clinton-Lamm conversation about the Chilean system, I had a long lunch in Santiago with journalist Joe Klein of Newsweek magazine. A few weeks afterwards, he wrote a compelling article entitled,[font color="green"] "If Chile can do it...couldn´t North America privatize its social-security system?" [/font color]He concluded by stating that "the Chilean system is perhaps the first significant social-policy idea to emanate from the Southern Hemisphere." (Newsweek, December 12, 1994).

I have reasons to think that probably this piece got Clinton’s attention and, given his passion for policy issues, he became a quasi expert on Chile’s Social Security reform. Clinton was familiar with Klein, as the journalist covered the 1992 presidential race and went on anonymously to write the bestseller Primary Colors, a thinly-veiled account of Clinton’s campaign.

“The mother of all reforms”

While studying for a Masters and a Ph.D. in economics at Harvard University, I became enamored with America’s unique experiment in liberty and limited government. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote the first volume of Democracy in America hoping that many of the salutary aspects of American society might be exported to his native France. I dreamed with exporting them to my native Chile.

So, upon finishing my Ph.D. in 1974 and while fully enjoying my position as a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University and a professor at Boston University, I took on the most difficult decision in my life: to go back to help my country rebuild its destroyed economy and democracy along the lines of the principles and institutions created in America by the Founding Fathers. Soon after I became Secretary of Labor and Social Security, and in 1980 I was able to create a fully funded system of personal retirement accounts. Historian Niall Ferguson has stated that this reform was “the most profound challenge to the welfare state in a generation. Thatcher and Reagan came later. The backlash against welfare started in Chile.”

But while de Tocqueville’s 1835 treatment contained largely effusive praise of American government, the second volume of Democracy in America, published five years later, strikes a more cautionary tone. He warned that “the American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.” In fact at some point during the 20th century, the culture of self reliance and individual responsibility that had made America a great and free nation was diluted by the creation of [font color="green"] “an Entitlement State,”[/font color] reminiscent of the increasingly failed European welfare state. What America needed was a return to basics, to the founding tenets of limited government and personal responsibility.

[font color="green"]In a way, the principles America helped export so successfully to Chile through a group of free market economists needed to be reaffirmed through an emblematic reform. I felt that the Chilean solution to the impending Social Security crisis could be applied in the USA.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://www.josepinera.org/articles/articles_clinton_chilean_model.htm



Thank you for a most important OP and thread, FreakinDJ! Friends. How many of us have such a history with Them?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
12. Didn't know about the Clinton privatizing Social Security Chile connection
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

thanks for another peel of the onion.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
17. There was also the murder of Orlando Letelier
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

in 1976, a shocking car bombing in broad dayiight in Washington D.C., which I remember from the news at the time, especially since I lived very nearby.

Background on Letelier, who was a Chilean economist and a diplomat during the presidency of Salvador Allende:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Letelier


I highly recommend a fascinating and very readable book on this murder which I read back when it was published in 1983 and still stands out in my mind to this day, Labyrinth by Taylor Branch and Eugene Propper.

http://www.amazon.com/Labyrinth-Taylor-Branch/dp/0140066837

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
4. In her circles, an association with Kissinger is a *good* thing.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

And the fact that she doesn't recognize that as a problem is, well, part of the problem.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
8. She has a problem understanding the concept of 'Corruption' and War Crimes
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

As a neocon chicken-hawk, She will get a lot of Americans (and others) killed

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. If you been carrying pictures of Henry the K
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

You ain't going to make it with anyone anyway

Shoobie do wah

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
10. No invitation to Daniel Ellsberg?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

God she sucks!

She was one of those poser, bandwagon riders among us boomers who sold us out and took the places of the real A-team among us. Clearly we see that's so by who she supports now and who she is now, any "protest" she did then was only to appear "in". About a third of the movement was that. Unfortunately, that's how it is with any popular uprising.

Just a little Nixon-Kissinger groupie. Was, and is.

And now she's another one (like Krugman et al) trying to pollute our history and corrupt and con another generation. She needs to just go away and get out of our face now.

It's getting to be time for the pitchforks.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
13. It's politics that's promoting Kissinger, not Hillary
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Come on, who in the world thought of Kissinger until recently? No one. Yes, is some circles he's an important historical figure, but in those circles he doesn't need promotion. This matter can at worst be compared to Sanders unlikely friendship with James Inhofe. The only thing that is bringing Kissinger attention is the political season, and the opportunity to raise Kissinger to impugn Hillary Clinton.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
14. Pretty much a "Failed Comparison" for a Hillary supporter
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie clearly stated "While I don't agree with his politics"

Where as Hillary stated "I sought to model the State Dept on Henry Kissinger's policies" and further mentioned him as an inspiration

polly7

(20,582 posts)
16. Clinton's Kissinger praise goes back years
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)

n2doc (42,164 posts)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280110622

In debate, Hillary Clinton boasted that she is supported by Henry Kissinger, accused war criminal

Hillary Clinton has a long history of supporting former Secretary of State Henry Kissenger

by BEN NORTON

Hillary Clinton boasted in the fifth Democratic presidential debate Thursday night that she is supported by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, an accused war criminal who oversaw policies that led to the deaths of millions of people.

“I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time,” she said.

Salon has previously exposed how emails released from Clinton’s time as secretary of state for the Obama administration reveal her close ties to Kissinger. One of the emails suggests that Clinton saw Kissinger as her role model.

Kissinger infamously insisted “The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”


more

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/05/in_debate_hillary_clinton_boasted_that_she_is_supported_henry_kissinger_accused_war_criminal_who_oversaw_policies_that_led_to_millions_of_deaths/

If the American People had any sense of history this would be a disqualifying factor for her.

UglyGreed (7,638 posts)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511211461

Clinton's Kissinger praise goes back years

Bernie Sanders needled Hillary Clinton Thursday night for writing in her book that she sought the approval and advice of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

But Clinton's mentions of Kissinger go beyond just one line she wrote in her book. In fact, they go back years.

A week ago in a previous Democratic debate Clinton praised Kissinger and his tenure at the State Department: "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better — better than anybody had run it in a long time. So I have an idea of what it’s going to take to make our government work more efficiently."

In 2014 Clinton reviewed Kissinger's New World Order book and called him a "friend" whose counsel she has "relied on."


http://www.politico.com/blogs/democratic-debate-milwaukee-2016/2016/02/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-219183


backscatter712 (24,074 posts)

Hillary does a lot more than have a few phone calls with Henry Kissinger...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.

The Clintons and the Kissingers regularly spend holidays together at a beachfront villa.

—By David Corn | Fri Feb. 12, 2016 6:32 PM EST

At Thursday night's Democratic presidential debate, one of the most heated exchanges concerned an unlikely topic: Henry Kissinger. During a stretch focused on foreign policy, Bernie Sanders, the senator from Vermont, jabbed at former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for having cited Kissinger, who was Richard Nixon's secretary of state, as a fan of her stint at Foggy Bottom.

"I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country," Sanders huffed, adding, "I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger." He referred to the secret bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam war as a Kissinger-orchestrated move that eventually led to genocide in that country. "So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger," Sanders roared. Clinton defended her association with Kissinger by replying, "I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas." She cast her interactions with Kissinger as motivated by her desire to obtain any information that might be useful to craft policy. "People we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States," she said.

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

This campaign tussle over Kissinger began a week earlier, at a previous debate, when Clinton, looking to boost her résumé, said, "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time. So I have an idea about what it's going to take to make our government work more efficiently." A few days later, Bill Clinton, while campaigning for his wife in New Hampshire, told a crowd of her supporters, "Henry Kissinger, of all people, said she ran the State Department better and got more out of the personnel at the State Department than any secretary of state in decades, and it's true." His audience of Democrats clapped loudly in response.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511222193


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016144450

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026158064

appalachiablue

(41,168 posts)
18. HC Supporting Kissinger!!?? I remember when Hill gleamed saying she studied him
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

at one of the early 2016 primary debates. God help us.

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