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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:46 PM Apr 2016

Bill Clinton: Sanders is only questioning (Hillary’s) qualifications because she is a woman

Bernie Sanders: ‘I appreciate Bill Clinton being my psychoanalyst’
Bernie Sanders says it’s clear that Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign has turned negative now that he’s won seven of the last eight contests in the race for the Democratic nomination.

And former President Bill Clinton’s assertion that Sanders is only questioning her qualifications because she is a woman, he says, is proof of that negative tone.
“Of course you wouldn’t have made the same charges if she were a man,” Bill Clinton said of Sanders.

Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union”:
“... the reality is that ever since Wisconsin, when that became the sixth out of seven states that we have won in either caucuses or primaries, I think the Clinton campaign has made it public, basically, they told the media, that here in New York they’re about to become very negative, about to beat us up.”

(Sanders) said he’s not about to take it lying down.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-i-appreciate-bill-clinton-being-214029956.html
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Bill Clinton: Sanders is only questioning (Hillary’s) qualifications because she is a woman (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 OP
Questioning her record his sexist? JRLeft Apr 2016 #1
I can't say what I think because it would get banned Baobab Apr 2016 #37
I understand JRLeft Apr 2016 #44
But remember they get to call Bernie a motherfucker and post anti-semitic shit about him all day VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #64
Bill wouldn't know about sexism. It isn't as if he ever treated any woman and many roguevalley Apr 2016 #47
Apparently the mere act of campaigning against her is sexist. arcane1 Apr 2016 #78
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #2
The Victim Card from Bill Clinton? Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #3
It's the goddam twilight zone! Desert805 Apr 2016 #35
Yep, and again devauling the card by playing it where it doesn't exist. Zira Apr 2016 #49
Women will suffer because of this sleazy action. The Clintons don't care. haikugal Apr 2016 #51
Bill Clinton, spokesperson for women! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #4
Oh, so true. jwirr Apr 2016 #17
He hit on a young girl in the WH and he thinks Bernie is saying things about Hillary because bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #5
Bill, you have a log in your eye NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
Haha Biaviians Apr 2016 #32
Another smear: since when does "judgement" = "woman?" That is sexist. snowy owl Apr 2016 #7
This is an excellent angle. Bill is trying to conflate deviously but he is conflating sexist-ly. JudyM Apr 2016 #65
You're only making it harder for me to support Hillary if she gets the nomination dflprincess Apr 2016 #8
Fuck you Bill. If anyone is sexist it's you. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #9
^^ Right! ^^ Where is that article from yesterday on firing Bill? Kittycat Apr 2016 #21
Seriously, someone needs to get him to a doctor beedle Apr 2016 #10
I thought this theory was a little intriguing: renate Apr 2016 #73
That's possible beedle Apr 2016 #75
Pretty strong attack from a guy who just kicked black people to the curb and pat his bad cops B Calm Apr 2016 #11
That was a stupid thing for Bill to say. azmom Apr 2016 #12
.+1 840high Apr 2016 #85
are they doubling down, or did he just not get the memo about this backfiring? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #13
Bernie has moved on the Clinton's won't give this quailication sh*t up awake Apr 2016 #14
Just more Clintonian campaigning from the Clinton campaign. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #15
Please Bill stop! northernsouthern Apr 2016 #16
That is the Bill Clinton,who got impeached sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #18
She was a victim, of Bill Clinton!!!!!! LOL Seeinghope Apr 2016 #40
I think that depends on the definition of the word "is" jfern Apr 2016 #19
Bill is like an old horse who needs put in a field where he can enjoy the rest of his life Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #20
Oh, Bill! I know you want to do the chivalric thing and defend your wife's electability HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #22
Could Bill Be Any More Tone-Deaf? noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #23
And we all know how much respect for women Bill has! QC Apr 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #25
Bernie absolutely gave the right answer CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #26
I am so fucking tired of being told that any and all criticism of SheilaT Apr 2016 #27
And we're back to Bernie is a sexist again notadmblnd Apr 2016 #28
Accusations Made By The Philanderer In Chief - Remember Monica Lewinsky cantbeserious Apr 2016 #29
They really need to quit with this vote for Hillary to prove you aren't sexist crap. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #30
Bill sit down shut up and have a cigar. jillan Apr 2016 #31
Bill Clinton's lack of respect for women and minorities and greed for money and influence gobsmacks. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #33
Bill Clinton wouldn't be making this statement WDIM Apr 2016 #34
Bernie made no personal criticisms of Hillary, but she was very personal toward him. senz Apr 2016 #36
This point deserves its own thread and coverage in the media because it is so important. JudyM Apr 2016 #67
She also said he doesn't care about black lives or murdered children. arcane1 Apr 2016 #84
It's like Bill just can't keep himself from sabotaging Hillary. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #38
I'm starting to think that the longest-running, most lucrative, Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #39
Oh please! arikara Apr 2016 #42
It's gotten to the point where not only is Bill not helping Hillary... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #41
Please can we just say NO to any more Clintons? Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #43
Playing the woman card Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #45
Shameful. AzDar Apr 2016 #46
wow. a real pot kettle moment. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #48
"proof of a negative tone" You mean like Hillarys doing scorched earth on Bernie, Bill? Zira Apr 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Apr 2016 #52
I think if that is the case... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #79
Bill aint afraid to drop a dogwhistle Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #53
What Bullshit, playing the poor gender card again Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #54
Bill Clinton....a regular expert on democrank Apr 2016 #55
Dear Bill, please go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Scuba Apr 2016 #56
So a woman shouldn't have her qualifications challenged, but it's okay for a man? Vinca Apr 2016 #57
Amazing to note who hasn't been jumping into this thread. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #58
I just assumed it was because I have so many on Full Ignore. n/t djean111 Apr 2016 #59
I don't have anyone on ignore and I find it interesting that it's so quiet all of a sudden. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #61
Bill playing the sexist card. OMG. djean111 Apr 2016 #60
Bill and Hillary became DOMA loving Bible bashers to distract from Bill's own issues with women and Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #62
"Bible bashers" left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #69
Pretty certain Bluenorthwest meant they used the bible as "bashers" against "immoral" people. ieoeja Apr 2016 #71
They are extremely flawed human beings who have risen to positions of power and Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #80
And Hillary questioned Obama's qualifications only because she's a racist. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #63
The Clinton Corollary to Godwin's Law. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #66
Perfectly put! nt. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #82
That takes a lot of gall. Really no limit as to how far he'll lie and slink, imo. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #68
And THIS is the jackass Hillary supporters think is A-OK as "First Gentleman?" Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #70
Bill is the guy to go to when it comes to respect for women. frylock Apr 2016 #72
I'm sure Bill has his supporters left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #74
Oh, please fuck right off, Bill. Maedhros Apr 2016 #76
Really, Bill? You're going to pretend to be that fucking stupid? arcane1 Apr 2016 #77
go home Bill. you are a sad caricature. and take your wife and daughter, too. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #81
Meh, stick a cigar in it Bill. demmiblue Apr 2016 #83
He just continues to step in it. floriduck Apr 2016 #86
That's how you can tell someone doesn't actually care about an issue. Marr Apr 2016 #87

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
64. But remember they get to call Bernie a motherfucker and post anti-semitic shit about him all day
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

and they get welcomed back with open arms.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
47. Bill wouldn't know about sexism. It isn't as if he ever treated any woman and many
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:17 AM
Apr 2016

like shit. Right?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
78. Apparently the mere act of campaigning against her is sexist.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

We're down the rabbit hole now

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
3. The Victim Card from Bill Clinton?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016

Yes Bill; lecture us more about how to treat women, you hipocrtical asshole. How much older was Monica Lewinsky than your daughter?

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
49. Yep, and again devauling the card by playing it where it doesn't exist.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:56 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary uses it so she can avoid answering questions.

As a feminist, I am appalled by their miss use of it. It should be reserved for when women actually face sexism, not as a trump card when someone doesn't get what they want.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
4. Bill Clinton, spokesperson for women!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

Do it, Big Dog! Render the fake-feminist argument for HRC laughable.

By the way, HRC is taking Walton and Wall Street money because it's money. (That's even the justification: hey it's only money, it has no effect!)

Women who work for Walmart don't count.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
5. He hit on a young girl in the WH and he thinks Bernie is saying things about Hillary because
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

she is female........ No because she is dishonest and says things then acts like she is sooo sweet and nice and hiding the rock behind her the whole time.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
7. Another smear: since when does "judgement" = "woman?" That is sexist.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

I'd say that making that comparison is sexist. Shame on Bill.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
65. This is an excellent angle. Bill is trying to conflate deviously but he is conflating sexist-ly.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
8. You're only making it harder for me to support Hillary if she gets the nomination
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:57 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think I could stand another 4 years of your comments.

Why couldn't you have just had the decency to fade into history like most ex-presidents...or followed in Jimmy Carter's footsteps and actually invested yourself in helping people?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
21. ^^ Right! ^^ Where is that article from yesterday on firing Bill?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

Seriously, someone get the hook, and pull the mic from him hand, lead him away from the cameras, and turn off the lights. Bill having the nerve to talk about sexism. That's rich.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
10. Seriously, someone needs to get him to a doctor
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

the signs are getting rather obvious ... and I'm not saying that to make fun of him ... I am really concerned about his mental health.

renate

(13,776 posts)
73. I thought this theory was a little intriguing:
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

"It is somehow only when he is working on his wife’s behalf that he veers into sabotage. What is needed here is probably a shrink, not a neurologist. Either he doesn’t want her to overtake him, or he doesn’t want her to repudiate him."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/fire_bill_clinton.html

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
75. That's possible
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

he pulled similar 'missteps' in 2008. And his opinion of women as his equal is somewhat suspect.

I'd suggest he go see both.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
11. Pretty strong attack from a guy who just kicked black people to the curb and pat his bad cops
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:01 PM
Apr 2016

on the back,

azmom

(5,208 posts)
12. That was a stupid thing for Bill to say.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016

We all know his record when it comes to women. Just like Hillary, he must not know about Google.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
16. Please Bill stop!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:09 PM
Apr 2016

I have admitted I voted for your twice, but you keep race baiting and and pulling this sexist card cr@p I will build a time machine and make sure my family never existed Back to the Future style just to make sure we never supported you. He is managing so quickly to destroy what legacy he had left. If Bill was truly not sexist he would have hit on both the male a female interns, interngate!

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
18. That is the Bill Clinton,who got impeached
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

(though not convicted) for lying under oath about
one affair, and then embarrassed the whole country
with the Lewinski scandal in the WH.

He must have hurt his family as well, but now he
is trying to make his wife out to be a victim?!!

Shame on you, shame on you Bill Clinton!

jfern

(5,204 posts)
19. I think that depends on the definition of the word "is"
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

Also why did Hillary question Bernie's qualifications, Bill?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
20. Bill is like an old horse who needs put in a field where he can enjoy the rest of his life
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

I have not forgiven him for insulting BLM the other day

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. Oh, Bill! I know you want to do the chivalric thing and defend your wife's electability
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

But really... -that- is sort of like saying -you- only cheated on your wife because she was a woman.

We all know that's not true. You're cheating had nothing to do with your wife's womanhood, it had to do with your desire to cheat.

Sen Sander's desire is to CAMPAIGN against his opponent, who happens to be a woman.

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
26. Bernie absolutely gave the right answer
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie played this well. The Clinton camp was hoping that Bernie would bring up Bill's White House sexcapades and impeachment. Then the Clinton camp could scream, "Bernie is being mean!! He's attacking us with right wing talking points!!"

Well played, Bernie. You stayed above the fray.

Your supporters will be happy to point out that Bill Clinton--a man who sexually exploited a twenty-something intern and publicly humiliated and disrespected his wife on the national stage--probably isn't the best person to give Bernie Sanders a lecture on sexism.

Bill's comments will no doubt attract all kinds of commentary and analysis of his hypocrisy and his abberant sexual behavior.

Oh great. We all get to re-litigate the blue dress, cigar sex and blow jobs in the White House bathroom.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. I am so fucking tired of being told that any and all criticism of
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:42 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton is only sexist, and cannot ever possibly be grounded in real flaws or mistakes on her part.

We certainly can (and do) disagree about various aspects of her record, whether certain accomplishments on her part are good, whether various policies she implemented as SoS did more harm than good, whether various votes she made while Senator were the best possible votes. Those, and many others, are valid areas for differences of opinion. But to think some particular vote of hers, say the Iraq War vote, or some policy, such as supporting the TPP or fracking or a $12/hour minimum wage, are good or bad, are opinions, and to disagree with her on any of those is not simply criticizing her just because she's a woman.

Jesus H Christ I'm sick of this.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
30. They really need to quit with this vote for Hillary to prove you aren't sexist crap.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

Because that is what it is. It's crap it's like saying you can never say a bad thing about a woman or question their abilities just because they are women and it's sexist to say that you don't want them because they did something that was terrible. Or they did a lot of somethings that were terrible. Only men can be incompetent and unqualified.

PufPuf23

(8,791 posts)
33. Bill Clinton's lack of respect for women and minorities and greed for money and influence gobsmacks.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

What was I missing all those years I supported Bill Clinton?

Bill Clinton lied to us all, humiliated his wife, and performed sex acts where most people would have been fired and subject to civil suit.

That is long past but The Clinton Foundation, relation to Jeffrey Epstein, and things said campaigning for Hillary Clinton in 2008 and 2016 reveal the darkness.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
36. Bernie made no personal criticisms of Hillary, but she was very personal toward him.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

He criticized her Iraq war vote, her use of super PAC and Wall Street money and her position on trade agreements like NAFTA. There is nothing sexist in that kind of criticism.

She, on the other hand, suggested that he didn't know what he was talking about in the NY Daily News interview, that he hadn't done his homework, and implied that he isn't mentally sharp. That is very personal, very demeaning -- as well as false.

I'm really getting sick of the Clinton campaign's obsession with gender. I cannot imagine someone like Elizabeth Warren playing the gender card.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
84. She also said he doesn't care about black lives or murdered children.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

The Clinton campaign needs to look in the damn mirror.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
39. I'm starting to think that the longest-running, most lucrative,
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

American hustle in human history is.beginning to unravel.. threads of a final chapter??

They make be folk heroes one day, though, post mortem -- kind of like Bonnie & Clyde, once enough time has passed & history has been successfully rewritten.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
42. Oh please!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:26 PM
Apr 2016

Let it be true. Let the truth come out, or at the very least let the pair of them fade silently into obscurity.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
41. It's gotten to the point where not only is Bill not helping Hillary...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

...but he's tarnishing his own reputation. Sad.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
48. wow. a real pot kettle moment.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:51 AM
Apr 2016

keep chipping away at that legacy, bill. you want to be remembered for stuff like this?

please proceed.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
50. "proof of a negative tone" You mean like Hillarys doing scorched earth on Bernie, Bill?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:59 AM
Apr 2016

I'm not voting for her because I don't want that warhawk doing scorched earth on ANYONE, Bill.

And I'm a woman.

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
79. I think if that is the case...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

It would be because of greed. Plain and simple, he, as the first husband, can't go around the world making speeches for millions of dollars. And he doesn't want to miss out on 8 years of making all those millions...

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
53. Bill aint afraid to drop a dogwhistle
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:39 AM
Apr 2016

We are being mean to the selected one MEAN, I tell ya!
That defense is gonna work great in a general election.
DON"T QUESTION THE CHOSEN ONE WITH A VAGINA!!!

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
57. So a woman shouldn't have her qualifications challenged, but it's okay for a man?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:25 AM
Apr 2016

That's sexism, Bill. If there's anyone on this planet who should not comment on sexism, it's Bill Clinton.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
61. I don't have anyone on ignore and I find it interesting that it's so quiet all of a sudden.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

Especially when they never fail to claim it for themselves.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
60. Bill playing the sexist card. OMG.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

That's all I can say, though waves of disgust and revulsion. Bill, IMO, has never met a woman he respected. That the self-proclaimed "Feminists" who adore Hillary don't see that is astounding.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
62. Bill and Hillary became DOMA loving Bible bashers to distract from Bill's own issues with women and
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

marriage. When he speaks of such things he makes me so very angry. He's not sorry, just like he's not sorry about the crime bill and just like Hillary has only a vague recollection that AIDS was a big issue in the Reagan years.

Who are these people?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
69. "Bible bashers"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

But yesterday (Sunday) Hillary went to five African-American churches to tell them how much she loves the Lord.
Oh, and to ask for their vote.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
71. Pretty certain Bluenorthwest meant they used the bible as "bashers" against "immoral" people.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

Not that they were bashing the bible. Hillary is tight with the religious right.


Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
80. They are extremely flawed human beings who have risen to positions of power and
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

wealth because we live in a system that rewards those who are the most willing to enrich themselves regardless of the fallout on others.

Donald Trump is the epitome of this.

And, as flawed as they (the Clinton's) are especially in comparison to Bernie, they are angelic like if comparing to the GOP.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
63. And Hillary questioned Obama's qualifications only because she's a racist.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:13 AM
Apr 2016

Let me hasten to assure the jurors that I'm not actually addressing the issue of whether Hillary Clinton is a racist. Instead, I'm refuting Bill Clinton's latest smear, by showing how his logic would apply to that question.

Hillary's infamous "3:00 a.m. phone call" ad was a much nastier attack on qualifications than anything either Clinton or Sanders has done this cycle.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
66. The Clinton Corollary to Godwin's Law.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

"As an internet discussion about politics progresses, the likelihood of a poster OR SURROGATE likening a negative post or action about Hillary to sexism, racism, or right-wing smearing approaches one."

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
70. And THIS is the jackass Hillary supporters think is A-OK as "First Gentleman?"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

Let's face it: Hill/Billy is a 2-for-1...and Bill has no business being anywhere near presidential power any more. His faculties are obviously in decline.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
77. Really, Bill? You're going to pretend to be that fucking stupid?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

The Clintons are losing what shreds of credibility they still had.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
86. He just continues to step in it.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:32 PM
Apr 2016

Just imagine him as first dude and how he'll screw up so many things due to his ego on stimulants.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
87. That's how you can tell someone doesn't actually care about an issue.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

They use it as a cheap bludgeon against their personal opponents. They trivialize sexism with these cheap attacks.

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