If they had to discuss issues they'd be lost.

HOW IS BERNIE GETTING TO ROME??!!!

It's insane.

Not kidding, one genius said we have a right to see how Bernie spends his money because "we" (the tax payers) pay his salary.

and the WH? They just want to mess with him?

It's mind boggling.

You know, I really hope he is not encountering this garbage in his day to day life. I'm willing to put up with it if it keeps the crazies away from him.

get made.

I want to know how much he's made on Wall Street.

I want to know where his off-shore money is located.

I want to know about that golden parachute Jane got after doing a crappy job at the University.

Keep your head in the sand. It'll help keep that victim mentality intact when Sanders finally gets the hook.

concern about his flights are a bit too obsessive and that I'm saving them to turn over to the Secret Service. Honestly, people checking when flights leave is a bit scary.

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The sad thing is, this is closer to reality than most would want to admit.

The whole Vatican thing put them into convulsions.

That shit is what passes for a substantive political conversation, in some quarters.

At first you were pissed because he was such a little asshole but eventually you realized it's only because he was so insecure and out of his depth.

Same thing with people who use "Bernie bros" as a slur.

person who uses that expression.

Some of them have burned their bridges irreparably.

That's what makes us the smart kids, we're capable of complex thought and emotions.

When all they have are insults, condescension, and recitations of endorsement lists and vote counts, they make themselves profoundly boring.

I've also been wondering if their candidate has any interests beyond advancing herself. She never mentions writers, movies, music, philosophers, ideas, leisure activities, nature, animals or anything interesting.

I know I shouldn't care, but it's kind of unsettling.

Bernie post on FB because of attacks from Clinton supporters. It is the male supporters who have been in her words very "sexist and derogatory" towards her. but hey we are the ones who labeled.

I was sexually harassed here by two male Hill supporters. Another DUer even commented on it as it was happening. This was several months ago. And I am an older woman, too.

For some reason, she attracts rather horrible people. I hope your sister can find a way to support Bernie without being attacked for it. I wish someone in the news media would look at this, too.

campaigning for him in California. She is not a member of DU and has never read it, when I tell her about the complaints regarding Sanders she is mystified. popegate had her rolling with laughter, we are from a large very Catholic family (I personally am no longer part of the church) so we understood why Sanders may have misunderstood the invite form the Vatican.

..in real life have called me a Bernie Bro and have asked if I drank the kool-aid. What amazes me the most is that the woman has said that the name calling has gotten horrible. Problem is her and her husband are the ones doing the name calling.

She has also said that she doesn't think it's fair that Hillary is judged on her looks or what she wears. In the next sentence she will say she can't support Bernie because his hair is messy or she doesn't like his suits. I asked if we were electing a president or looking for a prom date. Keep in mind she is 60 years old.

But, yeah.

It's like the people here who respond with rows of



one or two, in context, is fine. But if that's the entire substance of your argument, so to speak, everyone can see that you're trying WAY too hard.

Yeah, he's a genius alright. Aren't we fortunate that Skinner gave him amnesty?

Honestly, there are too many of them, even if I suspect some players are wearing multiple uniforms.

why are you even trying to "keep track" of anybody?

We could eliminate a lot of the trouble without all of the gossipy meta nonsense.

But the people running around here lately, the ones with 8...9... 20 hides on their pages, gleefully attempting to out-do each other in terms of flat out insulting the Sanders supporters here and then laughing because "ha ha skinner wont give us a time out anymore neeener neeeener"

....yeah, they're sort of hard to miss.

It's gossipy meta and really no more righteous than the behavior you're describing.

Y'all devote entire subthreads to this nonsense.

you would understand it better.

I would agree with you.

It's not...

As for "no more better than the behavior you describe"-- that's rich. I haven't had a hide in something like 3 years, and it's not because I've been a sanders supporter for the last 6 months of them.

It's because I don't call people names, tell them to "eff off", tell them they don't have jobs, hippie punch them, etc etc etc etc.

The good thing about the "transparency page all-stars" I mentioned is that, even though they don't get time outs anymore, people can still see the shit they got their hides for. And while some of the hides are arguably not deserved, a lot of them are for pretty nasty comments.

Sorry I interrupted the festivities.

Look, we've ALL read this crap here for months on end. Bottom line, you have a narrative and you're sticking to it.



Carry on.

But again, the people celebrating are the ones who can now fling the lowest, nastiest shit at their fellow DU members all day long with abandon and not get penalized with a time out.

Like I said, we've ALL been reading what has been going on here.

This is your version of events, I get that.

But i really do have other shit to do.

Yes, its my version, and it is something like this-

one side criticizes Hillary Clinton, sometimes unfairly, sometimes over the top. Absolutely.

The other side spends an inordinate of time going on about

"racist sexist unemployed berniebros living in parents basement pot smoking volvo driving hipster mac using rand paul libertarian right wing communist (i know, wtf?) susan sarandon aeeeeee stupid millennials arggghhhhhh and #%}#}#}# you >#^<*%*<*< #€%##€#%>>## go #%#%###%% yourselves you #%#%#%#%#%#ing Pony wanting #%#%#%#%%# and did we mention berniebroooooooooos warggghhhhllllllll!!!!!!!"

For all of those examples you think you have, take that number and multiply it by 10, then you'll be close to the multitude of nastiness that has been thrown at Hillary supporters here for the past 9+ months.

Hides don't mean diddly squat in the current environment, that's why Skinner put an end to the time out nonsense that you're complaining about to no end. People weren't (and still aren't) even trying to do the right thing when it comes to jurying posts. Skinner even said so himself.

I could also provide examples, but I have shit to do myself. The list you just gave pales in comparison to the sheer nastiness hurled in the other direction. I would post one such example, but it would get hidden, as others who have tried to post this person's filth found out the hard way. This person is still here, btw... It wasn't hidden, and he was even so PROUD of it that he saved it to his damn journal, FFS.

So don't even try to claim victim status in this mess, because it isn't even close.

I'll leave you with the last word. Like I said, these vicious subthreads amount to nothing more than perpetuating the gossip. I'll leave you to it.

This thread is the perfect illustration.

And "bro" is a neutral, male-oriented term that has no negative connotations in itself.

Ever hear of "Bronies"? That isn't a negative name for male fans of My Little Pony.

That "Bernie-bro" has a negative slant to it is ALL on Sanders supporters behavio.

Is it really so hard to type Sanders supporters?

There's #Berniemademewhite

Men for Bernie:



And Babes for Bernie:

The men who upload their pics have a great sense of humour, they're much better people than the morons who call them Bernie bros.

Not all Bernie Bro's are male and all Hillary Hags aren't female.

The insults flow freely...

She's no princess, she wants a coronation.

There is a slight difference in the nicknames comparison though. Ones redbaiting, the others a descriptive.

Though Ive used "her worship&quot Ala Solo) and "her heinyness" (Lurky )

for acting like 'King George' is a tradition exactly as old as the Presidency. The red baiting lexicon is fresh and new from the late 40's and 50's. Terms like 'comrade' come from Cold War times and have been used against regular citizens as well as those in power. My own mentors include good persons who were greatly burdened by blacklisting and other aspects of the times reflected in that lexicon and words like 'comrade'.
'Princess' is generic royal, Princess of Wales of Monaco, Princess Buttercup, Diana, Liea and Peach are all Princesses, there are many, many Disney Princesses and 'princess dress' or 'princess phone' have specific meanings.

'Comrade' is Soviet specific, a term used only by a nation the US saw as the enemy. Use of 'comrade' in the US is limited to Soviet flavored snark.

The US has a nasty history of Red Baiting in our living memories, our rejection of royalty was absolute and long ago.
Thus 'Princess' = Ally, perhaps spoiled but good and 'Comrade' = Enemy, perhaps congenial but scheming.

Also, Red Baiting and Jew Baiting are very often close traveling companions in the US, so is Red Baiting and Homophobia. See all those 'religious freedom' laws? See all the folks attacking Bernie for being Jewish?

The two words are not in the same class at all. I think I've made my case.

Hillary doesn't actually change direction. When she jumped on the bandwagon about free trade agreements, she wasn't going to actually change her behavior. She just talked about it. She saw some voters that she wanted to consume and said what she needed to, but that's all.

Her true direction remains unchanged, which is to do whatever it takes for her to enrich herself. Hillary's words aren't a good guide to her behavior.

The " Commisar".

my feeling is that they would pound him hard with these names, and he'd be crushed in a landslide.

pretty bad but no worse than Bernie Bros

"Cool insult, Hillbully."

That's the one I most often see used with respect to her supporters.

I'm calling you out on this. It's absurd.

Like its a good thing.

I never heard hag as a good thing. Hell, bitch is better than hag.

and racist. This is not the term "bro" that people use in casual conversation. BernieBro has a specific definition and is being used against all Bernie supporters as a slur.

It is NOT the same as that at all. The equivalent is HillHag, but you don't see Bernie supporters using that term. Sadly, Hillary supporters do like to use BernieBro and Skinner has decided that DU should have no standards, so they keep using it.

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It's not my fav term for his worst supporters anyway.

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She calls me hag lips. See nothing derogatory at all. Term of endearment!

Obama Boys was meant as a slur during the 2008 primary, but that one was both sexist and racist, given the use of "boy." Are y'all really proud of those kinds of campaign tactics?

So if you don't like one, you have to not like the other. Plus the OP isn't suggesting actually using it, they are pointing out how derogatory BernieBro is, which it is. It is used to paint all Bernie supporters and misogynists and racists. I have also asked in posts if they want us to use HillHag.

I hope to see you denouncing its use on DU.

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I can sympathize with liberal males who'd be offended by false accusation.
I'm straight, and I would love to see an openly gay president one day. But that doesn't mean I would support any corrupt, corporatist candidate just because he or she is gay. I won't. And I would be deeply offended if anybody accused me of being a homophobe.
It's not what liberals do -falsely accusing others of bigotry. Because if you're a liberal, then you should know how offensive it is to be falsely accused of bigotry, because bigot is the last thing you ever want to be.

Woman, gay, progressive, and way smart!

You get it all in one package.

They've (belatedly) discovered his female supporters.

This from the camp that yells SEXIST at the drop of a finger.

So they'll have to forgive us "Bernie bitches" if we don't clutch our pearls over Hill Hag. I wouldn't use it but it's certainly no worse than what we've been called.

Seems worse than 08.

And since amnesty it's only gotten worse.

And this is the first time I've ever had anyone on ignore.

and Hillary started right off swift boating his civil rights record. It has been lies, distortions and smears from Hillary from day one. Not so from Bernie.
SO, disagree with your 'both sides'.

or even their campaign staff. If I were, you'd be right.

Nobody has a following of saints, and our side does have its assholes.