2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhich of the following Presidential candidates voted for the 1994 Crime Bill?
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And which one opposed the parts of the crime bill Hillary supported?:
But voted for it to save women's lives?:
riversedge
(70,243 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Here's the video:
He was talking about serial killers, people who rape and torture victims, not black children.
In fact, he was speaking in OPPOSITION TO THE MASS INCARCERATION OF AA CHILDREN.
Apparently lying has become second nature to some.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This isn't rocket science, at least watch the video and try to follow along.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)referring to whites with those terms??
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Try something a little more subtle, this isn't a good look on you.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're welcome!
riversedge
(70,243 posts)pot smokers.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or go ahead, just don't expect me to join you.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And strawman: I never said she was referring exclusively to black kids, I'm sure she meant to include Hispanics too.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You gave an opinion that others obviously disagree with.
That's about as factual as saying you agree that Hillary did indeed land under sniper fire. It's all subjective, amirite?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... is exclusive to blacks.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)... "neighborhoods" when writing his article on the topic.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/very-brief-history-super-predators
There is definitely heavy racial subtext behind the term. Saying otherwise is either ignorance or lying.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm sure Hillary was referring to other PoC as well.
Your attempt to defend her racist dog whistle while accusing others of being racist because we called her out is really just desperation. I don't blame you, I get it. If I had to defend Hillary I might be tempted to do the same thing.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Furthermore, stop insinuating I'm a fucking racist, especially while you are attempting to carry water for a term that is racially loaded. Calling someone racist because they believe a certain term has racist connotations is the dumbest damn thing I've heard this week. You might as well be saying that "people who believe the N word is a reference to black people are racist". Thats exactly how dumb your argument is. I suggest you back off and rethink your position.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Do you have a point or would you like to go back to defending fancy racial slurs?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Only stupid racist people think he meant black people exclusively live in ghettos.
The desperation is getting thick in here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We're discussing Hillary's racist language, do try to stay on topic and not use quotes out of context. That's called "lying by omission".
Besides, only stupid racist people think he meant black people exclusively live in ghettos.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I love his videos on You Tube.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If he hadn't voted for that, you'd be in here shredding him for that vote, saying why did he vote against these important provisions.
You're criticism is totally cheap and political, totally opportunistic, not at all related to the substance of the issues. It's a total gotcha thing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasnt There
http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/sanders-campaign-says-he-voted-for-crime-bill-due-to-weapons?utm_term=.saGn6qgNo4#.mtdWx95GOr
The Sanders campaign says he voted for the 1994 crime bill because it contained a ban on assault weapons but that ban wasnt in the version of the bill he initially supported.
posted on Feb. 26, 2016, at 4:09 p.m.
John Gress / Getty Images
The Bernie Sanders campaign explained the Vermont senators support for the 1994 crime bill on Thursday with a release saying he voted for the bill in part because it contained a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons.
The House version of the bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons, the release said. Sanders had supported the ban since 1988.
The House version of the bill, which passed the House that April and which Sanders has been criticized for voting for when he was a representative from Vermont, did not include an assault weapons ban.
The ban was in the version of the bill that passed the Senate. Sanders ultimately did vote for the bill with the ban in it, and President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
The law added 100,000 officers to the police force and offered federal money to states to build new prisons, on the condition that they agreed to force inmates to serve out their whole sentences. Since the 1990s, attitudes among progressives and libertarians have shifted away from tough-on-crime legislation. Hillary Clintons first speech as Democratic candidate called for an end to the era of mass incarceration...............
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Whose presidential signature is on that bill?
There, I hope i helped you out.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)On Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Which of the following Presidential candidates voted for the 1994 Crime Bill?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511702760
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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HRC had no standing to vote on the 1994 crime bill passed while bc was potus.
the poll is purposeless except to confuse and clutter DU with nonsense.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:13 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Was Hillary holding office in 1994? Did she have a"vote" in the oval office or Congress as First Lady? If so, that's a new one on me. Maybe somebody should do a little homework before engaging emotive attacks sans reality. Yikes, take a deep breath and count to ten.
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)
PufPuf23 This message was self-deleted by its author.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)I think you are on to something--similar to this tweet.
Bones Retweeted
Mario Hussein Obama ?@MAPSTER5500 Apr 9
Mario Hussein Obama Retweeted 2chill
Huh???whoa so now a opinion is considered a vote so the implication is what done it not the actual vote by Bernie
jfern
(5,204 posts)for voting against the Violence Against women Act and the assault weapon ban.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasnt There
http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/sanders-campaign-says-he-voted-for-crime-bill-due-to-weapons?utm_term=.saGn6qgNo4#.mtdWx95GOr
The Sanders campaign says he voted for the 1994 crime bill because it contained a ban on assault weapons but that ban wasnt in the version of the bill he initially supported.
posted on Feb. 26, 2016, at 4:09 p.m.
John Gress / Getty Images
The Bernie Sanders campaign explained the Vermont senators support for the 1994 crime bill on Thursday with a release saying he voted for the bill in part because it contained a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons.
The House version of the bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons, the release said. Sanders had supported the ban since 1988.
The House version of the bill, which passed the House that April and which Sanders has been criticized for voting for when he was a representative from Vermont, did not include an assault weapons ban.
The ban was in the version of the bill that passed the Senate. Sanders ultimately did vote for the bill with the ban in it, and President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
The law added 100,000 officers to the police force and offered federal money to states to build new prisons, on the condition that they agreed to force inmates to serve out their whole sentences. Since the 1990s, attitudes among progressives and libertarians have shifted away from tough-on-crime legislation. Hillary Clintons first speech as Democratic candidate called for an end to the era of mass incarceration...............
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)To save women's lives.
That's good enough for me.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... Sanders is pulling another fast one on this vote.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)Plus Hillary Clinton could've of voted for it, she was first lady, but she was very vocal in support, that's where you get the "super predator" comment.....
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)
imari362 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She led the lobbying effort for that betrayal, though, so it's not as though she's blameless.
BTW, "Huey Freeman" would never give HRC a pass on her years of anti-AA work(such as everything she did to build the DLC). Might not approve of Bernie, either, but would never have made the choice you've made here.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts).