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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:45 PM Apr 2016

Which of the following Presidential candidates voted for the 1994 Crime Bill?


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Which of the following Presidential candidates voted for the 1994 Crime Bill? (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 OP
Which one called AA kids super predators and said they needed to be "brought to heel"? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #1
Which candidate called them 'horribly violent, deeply sick, & sociopathic 'must be put behind bars" riversedge Apr 2016 #4
Not Bernie because he wasn't talking about AA kids and you know this because we discussed it earlier beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #6
He still used that language to speak of the crime offenders. riversedge Apr 2016 #10
He used it as an example of who we should be locking up INSTEAD OF POOR BLACK KIDS. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #11
Are you saying there were no blacks involved in crime? during the 1990s? And Bernie was only riversedge Apr 2016 #15
Are you being deliberately obtuse? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #16
Your words "instead of poor black kids" riversedge Apr 2016 #21
You didn't watch the video, tsk, no wonder you're lost. Go sit in the corner! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #23
He was not talking about pot smokers. Ash_F Apr 2016 #7
You have proof? If so, please post riversedge Apr 2016 #9
Proof: He didn't say pot smokers. And then there's this from 1972: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #12
Talk the poster above me. It was not me who initally said that. riversedge Apr 2016 #17
You're the the one who asked for proof, now you have it. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #18
You only passed on that silly 1972 piece. Ha ha. Try again. Beside I am not interested in riversedge Apr 2016 #22
You asked for proof that he wasn't talking about pot smokers, don't play dumb. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #24
Nice try NWCorona Apr 2016 #27
Only stupid racist people think super predators describes black kids exclusively uponit7771 Apr 2016 #30
Like the "stupid" "racist" black folks (your words) who saw it as a racist dog whistle? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #31
red herring, my statement is factual; stupid racist people think that term is exclusive to blacks uponit7771 Apr 2016 #34
Red herring? Factual? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #35
Yeap, dog whistle has NOTHING to do with whether or not stupid racist people think that phrase .. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37
Yeah, you keep using that word...look up strawman and let me know what you find out. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #38
Agree. thank you. riversedge Apr 2016 #53
The criminologist that coined the term said "the trouble will be greatest in black inner-city"... phleshdef Apr 2016 #40
Still not exclusive to blacks people, only stupid racist people believe that bullshit uponit7771 Apr 2016 #41
Who said it was "exclusive to blacks people only"? Other than you, I mean. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #42
Not exclusive, but still pre-dominantly associated with black urban youth. phleshdef Apr 2016 #44
"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. " uponit7771 Apr 2016 #46
Thats almost true. Poor African American areas. Thats the modern American usage of the word. phleshdef Apr 2016 #47
Bernie knew all about ghettos, it's what they called Jewish areas as well. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #49
Red herring. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #48
OMG you sound like Benjamin Dixon Kalidurga Apr 2016 #52
Thank you, agreed, especially about the last part. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #43
That's the one with the assault weapons ban and the Violence Against Women Act ? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #2
It's all he's got, he can't defend Hillary's racist dog whistles or her support so he has to deflect beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #3
Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasn’t There riversedge Apr 2016 #20
Couldn't find anything else to dredge up GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #5
Wrong question, allow me to put it the right way: sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #8
So? n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #56
close. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #13
Too funny.....and an excellent example of why Skinner instituted the amnesty a few weeks ago. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #14
whoa so now a opinion is considered a vote so the implication is what done it not the actual vote by riversedge Apr 2016 #39
If Bernie had voted against it, he'd have been a sexist who is a pawn of the NRA jfern Apr 2016 #19
Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasn’t There riversedge Apr 2016 #25
He voted for it because of the Violence Against Women Act. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #26
The post you responded to has a link to their claim, do you have one to yours? Seems like uponit7771 Apr 2016 #32
I posted it upthread, do try to keep up, I realize it's difficult. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #33
Sanders Voted for 1994 Crime Bill to Support Assault Weapons Ban, Violence Against Women Provisions. pantsonfire Apr 2016 #28
Poster should clarify, that Hillary Clinton was first lady, could not vote for bill. pantsonfire Apr 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Apr 2016 #36
Kick! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #50
Are you incapable of anything other than the most superficial treatment of a subject? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #51
Trick question. HRC wasn't in Congress in 1994. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #54
. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #55

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. Which one called AA kids super predators and said they needed to be "brought to heel"?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016


And which one opposed the parts of the crime bill Hillary supported?:



But voted for it to save women's lives?:


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. Not Bernie because he wasn't talking about AA kids and you know this because we discussed it earlier
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:51 PM
Apr 2016

Here's the video:



He was talking about serial killers, people who rape and torture victims, not black children.

In fact, he was speaking in OPPOSITION TO THE MASS INCARCERATION OF AA CHILDREN.

Apparently lying has become second nature to some.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. He used it as an example of who we should be locking up INSTEAD OF POOR BLACK KIDS.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

This isn't rocket science, at least watch the video and try to follow along.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
15. Are you saying there were no blacks involved in crime? during the 1990s? And Bernie was only
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

referring to whites with those terms??

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. You asked for proof that he wasn't talking about pot smokers, don't play dumb.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

Or go ahead, just don't expect me to join you.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
31. Like the "stupid" "racist" black folks (your words) who saw it as a racist dog whistle?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016




And strawman: I never said she was referring exclusively to black kids, I'm sure she meant to include Hispanics too.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. Red herring? Factual?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:57 AM
Apr 2016


You gave an opinion that others obviously disagree with.

That's about as factual as saying you agree that Hillary did indeed land under sniper fire. It's all subjective, amirite?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
37. Yeap, dog whistle has NOTHING to do with whether or not stupid racist people think that phrase ..
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

... is exclusive to blacks.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
40. The criminologist that coined the term said "the trouble will be greatest in black inner-city"...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

... "neighborhoods" when writing his article on the topic.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/very-brief-history-super-predators

There is definitely heavy racial subtext behind the term. Saying otherwise is either ignorance or lying.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
42. Who said it was "exclusive to blacks people only"? Other than you, I mean.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:15 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure Hillary was referring to other PoC as well.

Your attempt to defend her racist dog whistle while accusing others of being racist because we called her out is really just desperation. I don't blame you, I get it. If I had to defend Hillary I might be tempted to do the same thing.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
44. Not exclusive, but still pre-dominantly associated with black urban youth.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:16 AM
Apr 2016

Furthermore, stop insinuating I'm a fucking racist, especially while you are attempting to carry water for a term that is racially loaded. Calling someone racist because they believe a certain term has racist connotations is the dumbest damn thing I've heard this week. You might as well be saying that "people who believe the N word is a reference to black people are racist". Thats exactly how dumb your argument is. I suggest you back off and rethink your position.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
47. Thats almost true. Poor African American areas. Thats the modern American usage of the word.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:20 AM
Apr 2016

Do you have a point or would you like to go back to defending fancy racial slurs?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
49. Bernie knew all about ghettos, it's what they called Jewish areas as well.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:23 AM
Apr 2016

Only stupid racist people think he meant black people exclusively live in ghettos.

The desperation is getting thick in here.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. Red herring.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016


We're discussing Hillary's racist language, do try to stay on topic and not use quotes out of context. That's called "lying by omission".

Besides, only stupid racist people think he meant black people exclusively live in ghettos.


 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
2. That's the one with the assault weapons ban and the Violence Against Women Act ?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

If he hadn't voted for that, you'd be in here shredding him for that vote, saying why did he vote against these important provisions.

You're criticism is totally cheap and political, totally opportunistic, not at all related to the substance of the issues. It's a total gotcha thing.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
20. Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasn’t There
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016



Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasn’t There
http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/sanders-campaign-says-he-voted-for-crime-bill-due-to-weapons?utm_term=.saGn6qgNo4#.mtdWx95GOr

The Sanders campaign says he voted for the 1994 crime bill because it contained a ban on assault weapons — but that ban wasn’t in the version of the bill he initially supported.
posted on Feb. 26, 2016, at 4:09 p.m.


John Gress / Getty Images

The Bernie Sanders campaign explained the Vermont senator’s support for the 1994 crime bill on Thursday with a release saying he voted for the bill in part because it contained a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons.

“The House version of the bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons,” the release said. “Sanders had supported the ban since 1988.”

The House version of the bill, which passed the House that April and which Sanders has been criticized for voting for when he was a representative from Vermont, did not include an assault weapons ban.

The ban was in the version of the bill that passed the Senate. Sanders ultimately did vote for the bill with the ban in it, and President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

The law added 100,000 officers to the police force and offered federal money to states to build new prisons, on the condition that they agreed to force inmates to serve out their whole sentences. Since the 1990s, attitudes among progressives and libertarians have shifted away from “tough-on-crime” legislation. Hillary Clinton’s first speech as Democratic candidate called for an end to the “era of mass incarceration.”..............

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
8. Wrong question, allow me to put it the right way:
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

Whose presidential signature is on that bill?

There, I hope i helped you out.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
13. close.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

On Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Which of the following Presidential candidates voted for the 1994 Crime Bill?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511702760

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

HRC had no standing to vote on the 1994 crime bill passed while bc was potus.

the poll is purposeless except to confuse and clutter DU with nonsense.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:13 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: Poll makes a point. Frivolous alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hide it.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Was Hillary holding office in 1994? Did she have a"vote" in the oval office or Congress as First Lady? If so, that's a new one on me. Maybe somebody should do a little homework before engaging emotive attacks sans reality. Yikes, take a deep breath and count to ten.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
39. whoa so now a opinion is considered a vote so the implication is what done it not the actual vote by
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:07 AM
Apr 2016

I think you are on to something--similar to this tweet.


Bones Retweeted
Mario Hussein Obama ?@MAPSTER5500 Apr 9

Mario Hussein Obama Retweeted 2chill

Huh???whoa so now a opinion is considered a vote so the implication is what done it not the actual vote by Bernie

jfern

(5,204 posts)
19. If Bernie had voted against it, he'd have been a sexist who is a pawn of the NRA
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

for voting against the Violence Against women Act and the assault weapon ban.

riversedge

(70,243 posts)
25. Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasn’t There
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016



Sanders Campaign Says He Voted For Crime Bill Due To Weapons Ban That Wasn’t There



http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/sanders-campaign-says-he-voted-for-crime-bill-due-to-weapons?utm_term=.saGn6qgNo4#.mtdWx95GOr

The Sanders campaign says he voted for the 1994 crime bill because it contained a ban on assault weapons — but that ban wasn’t in the version of the bill he initially supported.
posted on Feb. 26, 2016, at 4:09 p.m.


John Gress / Getty Images

The Bernie Sanders campaign explained the Vermont senator’s support for the 1994 crime bill on Thursday with a release saying he voted for the bill in part because it contained a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons.

“The House version of the bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons,” the release said. “Sanders had supported the ban since 1988.”

The House version of the bill, which passed the House that April and which Sanders has been criticized for voting for when he was a representative from Vermont, did not include an assault weapons ban.

The ban was in the version of the bill that passed the Senate. Sanders ultimately did vote for the bill with the ban in it, and President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

The law added 100,000 officers to the police force and offered federal money to states to build new prisons, on the condition that they agreed to force inmates to serve out their whole sentences. Since the 1990s, attitudes among progressives and libertarians have shifted away from “tough-on-crime” legislation. Hillary Clinton’s first speech as Democratic candidate called for an end to the “era of mass incarceration.”..............

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. He voted for it because of the Violence Against Women Act.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

To save women's lives.

That's good enough for me.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
32. The post you responded to has a link to their claim, do you have one to yours? Seems like
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016

... Sanders is pulling another fast one on this vote.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
28. Sanders Voted for 1994 Crime Bill to Support Assault Weapons Ban, Violence Against Women Provisions.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

Plus Hillary Clinton could've of voted for it, she was first lady, but she was very vocal in support, that's where you get the "super predator" comment.....

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
54. Trick question. HRC wasn't in Congress in 1994.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

She led the lobbying effort for that betrayal, though, so it's not as though she's blameless.

BTW, "Huey Freeman" would never give HRC a pass on her years of anti-AA work(such as everything she did to build the DLC). Might not approve of Bernie, either, but would never have made the choice you've made here.

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