2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDKos: How NOT to pitch Bernie Sanders to Clinton supporters
Ive never tried this before, but Id like to actually make a direct appeal to a certain segment of Hillarys supporters, to see if I cant convince a few of them to vote for Bernie Sanders in the upcoming primaries.
I first point out that if you are a Wall Street Democrat, or a Corporate Democrat, or if you like to think of yourself as a Centrist, then nothing I have to say will be persuasive in the least. You know what you want and it is nothing at all like what I want.
...snip...
A very narrow loss to Clinton would be an astounding victory for his movement and it would instantaneously garner the respect of the establishment, who will indeed be quaking in their boots at the raw political power of this late-blossoming, $$-rich HALF of the Democratic Party that stands before them.
Theyd be fully aware that Hillary would have a zero percent chance of winning in the general election without the committed support of Sanders enthusiastic posse. Quite a start for the political revolution even if it were to come up just short this first time out, eh?
I commend the comments section to your review. Mine was:
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)You know that Bernie Sanders hasn't challenged the outcome of a single State, right?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)When Saint Bernie wins the skies open up and the angels sing and all is right in the world.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)people from the right and left wings compete for supremacy. It's be called "Worst Losers Ever."
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)hacked/coded too.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...and Bernie Sanders hasn't requested a recount anywhere.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)We fill out ovals on paper forms that are fed into electronic readers that tabulate the vote. There is a rather dubious legend out there that samplings of the paper forms are checked afterward by handcount.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Whether you mark an X or fill in an oval. you're voting on paper. We TALLY the votes electronically, but the ballots are retained in case a recount is needed. So far, Bernie hasn't challenged the outcome of ANY race, so I have no expectation that New York will be any different.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Paper forms are fed into electronic readers. Only the machines count the forms, unless an election authority as you say determines that "a recount is needed." That cannot safeguard against possible corruptions of the electronic counting process, whether intentionally or inadvertantly, or by whatever means or actor. What candidates thinks of the process also doesn't change that.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Just get out there and work to win, there is no "fix" in NY.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)are whiny and pathetic. To claim cheating before a vote has been cast tells everyone exactly what they need to know about you.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)we Dems were worried that machines were going to be hacked before the 2004 and 2008 elections because of what already happened, so Dems then were sore losers and whiny and pathetic? So in 2000 were you one of those on the street corner carrying signs saying "sore loserman"? From your post sounds like you were
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)And, of course, you have some proof that cheating is going on to deny Bernie of his justified nomination. It couldn't possibly be that more people are voting for Hillary - 2 million plus more. Time to leave your DU bubble and realize this board in no way represents the Democratic party.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)answering the question, same argument Bush/Cheney supporters used,
good job at avoiding
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If you've got proof of cheating, serve it up.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)move the goal post why don't you can't stay on message, again answer my question your dems worried about machines in 2004 and 08 pathetic and whiny?
because people are concerned
your disingenuous that avoids the question
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and never has proof been provided. And with your charges, I see there is still no proof. Exactly as I suspected.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)Bush and Cheney cheated, see I knew you were a closeted republican
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Silly OP.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)past the Republicans in Congress.....LOL
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Bernie donors outnumber Clinton's by about 5 to 1. The Clintons can't fill a high school gym without shenanigans, Sanders fills stadiums.
We don't need to flip any of the increasingly tiny number of hard core Clinton supporters to win this primary.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...and that, despite rally crowds, Clinton is ahead by 2.5 Million votes?
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Or surrogate ballots. We need real people and lots of them.
dsc
(52,162 posts)and has had that for at least a decade. We are far from the only such state.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)can't spend 8 hours caucusing to go screw themselves and that they should be denied a vote because you don't like how they cast it.
Stop pretending to be progressive, because you're not fooling anyone.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Superdelegates are the appointed stewards of democracy telling 55%+ of those who did caucus to go screw themselves, apparently.
Perhaps you could stop pretending to be a psychic and stick to the facts.
fighting-irish
(75 posts)Have a great day
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)is BEHIND by ALL measures - popular vote, pledged delegates and superdelegates is simply trying to get people to see what's in front of their faces. Reality seems to have no place in Bernie world.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)people at rallies ? voters.
She's got millions more votes and more delegates, and we're heading into big closed primaries.
The will of the Democrats is for Hillary.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)frankly i dont know how he does it at 75.
Hes to old. Hes 6 years older than my dad when he died.
10 years older than my aunt, my mom is only 4 years older.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Democrats need to endorse amoral evil and systemic corruption more openly.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Focus on the real world.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It was both the calloused ignorance of the candidate and the fact that her entire campaign culture defended those vile lies so fully and so casually.
Some truth about those times and NY can be found here:
AIDS IN
NEW YORK CITY, 1981-2007
HIV Epidemiology and Field Services Program
New York City Department of Health and
Mental Hygiene
March 2009
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/dires/epi-surveillance-aids07.pdf
It's got graphs so it's easy for conservative minds to look and see what NY went though while Ron and Nancy remained silent. They were silent until 1987 to be generous, 1988 to be accurate.
The graphs make it easy to understand.....
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)berated her and in March of that year he declared his site to be a Hillary free zone just like he did this year to Bernie. Template Tantrums from a guy who was 10 years old when his hero Ronald Reagan let Americans die in neglect.
Kos on Hillary 2008:
"First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate. She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup. Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war. Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power."
"She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power." But this year, she's just so great we have to help hand her the full platter, early and on command.....
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/kos-clinton-doe.html
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)They're achin' for a historic outcome. They don't care that the person who would be her predecessor uses terms like "careless" to describe her actions in the job they see as her biggest qualification for the job she's seeking. It doesn't matter that the person who would precede her in the job she's seeking merely believes her careless actions failed to impact national security.
What's the POINT of pitching Bernie Sanders to people who believe making history is more important than solving the problems our nation is besieged by? What does it matter?
When carelessness ceases to be a disqualifying factor for the most important job in the world, supporting anyone else becomes an exercise in futility.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)They don't care that the person who would be her predecessor uses terms like "careless" to describe her actions in the job they see as her biggest qualification for the job she's seeking.
I'd say it's even more damning that Bernie has spent the last week or so having to explain his campaign being so incompetent that they let him directly quote words that were never said, and imply he got a direct invitation from the Pope who won't even be in the same country as him during his visit.
That is incredibly 'careless'. And those are coming while he's running, not years ago when he was doing something else.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Nope. Sorry. One is a blunder, the other is criminal.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Misspeaking is when you say something you didn't intend. Bernie fully intended to say Hillary wasn't qualified, which he based on someone's outright stupidity for not checking to see what she had actually said.
That's like when Romney tried to say his "47%" speech was him misspeaking. Sorry, no one misspeaks for fifteen minutes.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)secrets on an unsecured server out of convenience.
Get real.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Your claim that anything Bernie Sanders has done is "even more damning" than possibly affecting national security in a negative way is beyond my ken, and arguably the stupidest comment I've seen here. That's saying a lot, seeing as how it's "silly season" at DU.
Your post takes the cake.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Bernie is out making the rounds, saying he has serious questions about Hillary's judgment, and until the media backlash bit him he was saying she isn't even fit to be President. If he runs a campaign where he sloppily turns a headline into a multi-day firestorm, he's careless. If he runs a campaign that can't tell the difference between being invited by a world leader, and merely attending a conference nearby, he's careless.
And if you're going to be that careless, while calling out the judgment and qualifications of the other candidate, it's even more egregious.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NSA and have a totally transparent government. Same people who champion Snowden.
It really doesn't ring true.
rock
(13,218 posts)I.e. NOT pitch Bernie Sanders to Hillary supporters.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Realistically, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the path to victory runs directly through running them over, into the sea or out of the Democratic party.
It's not a race, it's a war. You're on the wrong side of it.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)record!
Dem2
(8,168 posts)this will go over well.
beedle
(1,235 posts)is showing them all the videos of Hillary lying her face off.
They seem to believe that lying is a virtue.
Maybe if someone could catch her in a rare moment of telling the truth, and we showed them that, it might have some affect?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but I won't try to explain to you why.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I was always going to stand with Hillary.