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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:37 AM Apr 2016

DKos: How NOT to pitch Bernie Sanders to Clinton supporters

An Appeal To Dailykos Progressives Who Support Hillary

I’ve never tried this before, but I’d like to actually make a direct appeal to a certain segment of Hillary’s supporters, to see if I can’t convince a few of them to vote for Bernie Sanders in the upcoming primaries.

I first point out that if you are a Wall Street Democrat, or a Corporate Democrat, or if you like to think of yourself as a ‘Centrist’, then nothing I have to say will be persuasive in the least. You know what you want and it is nothing at all like what I want.

...snip...

A very narrow loss to Clinton would be an astounding victory for his movement and it would instantaneously garner the respect of the establishment, who will indeed be quaking in their boots at the raw political power of this late-blossoming, $$-rich HALF of the Democratic Party that stands before them.

They’d be fully aware that Hillary would have a zero percent chance of winning in the general election without the committed support of Sanders’ enthusiastic posse. Quite a start for the political revolution even if it were to come up just short this first time out, eh?


I commend the comments section to your review. Mine was:

Substitute “Jesus” for Sanders, and “moral” for progressive, and this is the flawed pitch any Christian proselytizer would come to my door with.
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DKos: How NOT to pitch Bernie Sanders to Clinton supporters (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2016 OP
NY will be rigged for Hillary...Vote machines. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1
You know we vote on paper ballots, right? brooklynite Apr 2016 #2
LOL Jitter65 Apr 2016 #4
Oh, snap! cwydro Apr 2016 #10
It's still fraud because...something mcar Apr 2016 #16
Only if Saint Bernie doesn't win CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #34
Right. I'd like a reality TV show where Hortensis Apr 2016 #44
It was posted here that some counties in your state vote on machines. Tabulators can be bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #19
...but the paper ballots can be recounted if requested... brooklynite Apr 2016 #21
Well that is good to know. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #22
New Yorkers do not vote on paper ballots. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #41
Yes - we do. brooklynite Apr 2016 #43
This describes a hybrid process at best. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #45
whoosh. You missed that one. redstateblues Apr 2016 #17
You need to stop pushing this meme. Agschmid Apr 2016 #20
Sore losers leftynyc Apr 2016 #27
So after the debacle in 2000 gabeana Apr 2016 #40
So now ALL votes are hacked? leftynyc Apr 2016 #42
Good job gabeana Apr 2016 #46
Spare me the drama queen bullshit leftynyc Apr 2016 #47
Clap for you gabeana Apr 2016 #48
We all heard the complaints leftynyc Apr 2016 #54
No proof that gabeana Apr 2016 #56
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #3
Based on your comment, it follows "Satan" should substitute for Clinton? RiverLover Apr 2016 #5
She does have the Lucifer gene. Deception is the nature of her game. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #55
Sanders would have a better chance of walking on water than in getting trillions in new entitlements Trust Buster Apr 2016 #6
Sanders has won 7 straight with ratios better than 55/45 GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #7
You know that 55/45 doesn't hit the delegate totals Sanders needs to tie, right? brooklynite Apr 2016 #9
And you know that we can't win a GE with Superdelegates. GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #12
actually my state has no excuse needed absentee balloting dsc Apr 2016 #13
It cracks me up watching a self-appointed steward of democracy like you basically tell anyone who CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #18
what? Superdelegates don't go to caucuses (?) GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #31
Popular votes means shit in the primaries. fighting-irish Apr 2016 #25
Pointing out that Bernie leftynyc Apr 2016 #28
Doners ≠ voters OhZone Apr 2016 #52
is just filling stadiums the goal ? MFM008 Apr 2016 #53
Yes.... Morality is such a right-wing meme. Such a quaint concept. Ethics and Integrity too. Armstead Apr 2016 #8
Meh, online Hillary supporters are true believers. No sense in pitching to them. morningfog Apr 2016 #11
How not to convince me to vote for Hillary: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #14
Kos is in many ways the Archetypical Straight Hillary 2016 booster...in 2008 he condemned and Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #15
Why BOTHER to pitch Bernie Sanders to Clinton supporters? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #23
Bernie's 'careless' too CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #26
Misspeaking is not akin to putting the nation's security secrets out on the open Internet. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #32
Wrong CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #36
OK. Stupidity is STILL not as bad as putting our national security Fawke Em Apr 2016 #38
I'm sorry. I don't even know where to begin. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #33
Not at all CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #35
I gotta say I chuckle hearing these concerns about "security" from people who want to disband the bettyellen Apr 2016 #39
Well that's certainly what you should want to do rock Apr 2016 #24
I honestly don't care what Clinton supporters have to say about Sanders anymore. Chan790 Apr 2016 #29
That's right! We are playing offense, they are the ones who have to defend Hillary's B Calm Apr 2016 #37
A call to violence Dem2 Apr 2016 #50
One thing to avoid beedle Apr 2016 #30
That was one disgusting answer to that post nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #49
I can't speak for others but there was nothing they could say to me to get me to switch. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #51

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
2. You know we vote on paper ballots, right?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

You know that Bernie Sanders hasn't challenged the outcome of a single State, right?

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
34. Only if Saint Bernie doesn't win
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

When Saint Bernie wins the skies open up and the angels sing and all is right in the world.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Right. I'd like a reality TV show where
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:34 AM
Apr 2016

people from the right and left wings compete for supremacy. It's be called "Worst Losers Ever."

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
19. It was posted here that some counties in your state vote on machines. Tabulators can be
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

hacked/coded too.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
21. ...but the paper ballots can be recounted if requested...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

...and Bernie Sanders hasn't requested a recount anywhere.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
41. New Yorkers do not vote on paper ballots.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

We fill out ovals on paper forms that are fed into electronic readers that tabulate the vote. There is a rather dubious legend out there that samplings of the paper forms are checked afterward by handcount.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
43. Yes - we do.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:18 AM
Apr 2016

Whether you mark an X or fill in an oval. you're voting on paper. We TALLY the votes electronically, but the ballots are retained in case a recount is needed. So far, Bernie hasn't challenged the outcome of ANY race, so I have no expectation that New York will be any different.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
45. This describes a hybrid process at best.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

Paper forms are fed into electronic readers. Only the machines count the forms, unless an election authority as you say determines that "a recount is needed." That cannot safeguard against possible corruptions of the electronic counting process, whether intentionally or inadvertantly, or by whatever means or actor. What candidates thinks of the process also doesn't change that.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. Sore losers
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

are whiny and pathetic. To claim cheating before a vote has been cast tells everyone exactly what they need to know about you.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
40. So after the debacle in 2000
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

we Dems were worried that machines were going to be hacked before the 2004 and 2008 elections because of what already happened, so Dems then were sore losers and whiny and pathetic? So in 2000 were you one of those on the street corner carrying signs saying "sore loserman"? From your post sounds like you were

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. So now ALL votes are hacked?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:08 AM
Apr 2016

And, of course, you have some proof that cheating is going on to deny Bernie of his justified nomination. It couldn't possibly be that more people are voting for Hillary - 2 million plus more. Time to leave your DU bubble and realize this board in no way represents the Democratic party.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
48. Clap for you
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

move the goal post why don't you can't stay on message, again answer my question your dems worried about machines in 2004 and 08 pathetic and whiny?
because people are concerned
your disingenuous that avoids the question

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
54. We all heard the complaints
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:48 AM
Apr 2016

and never has proof been provided. And with your charges, I see there is still no proof. Exactly as I suspected.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. Sanders would have a better chance of walking on water than in getting trillions in new entitlements
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

past the Republicans in Congress.....LOL

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
7. Sanders has won 7 straight with ratios better than 55/45
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:00 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie donors outnumber Clinton's by about 5 to 1. The Clintons can't fill a high school gym without shenanigans, Sanders fills stadiums.

We don't need to flip any of the increasingly tiny number of hard core Clinton supporters to win this primary.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
9. You know that 55/45 doesn't hit the delegate totals Sanders needs to tie, right?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:24 AM
Apr 2016

...and that, despite rally crowds, Clinton is ahead by 2.5 Million votes?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
12. And you know that we can't win a GE with Superdelegates.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

Or surrogate ballots. We need real people and lots of them.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
13. actually my state has no excuse needed absentee balloting
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:31 AM
Apr 2016

and has had that for at least a decade. We are far from the only such state.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
18. It cracks me up watching a self-appointed steward of democracy like you basically tell anyone who
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

can't spend 8 hours caucusing to go screw themselves and that they should be denied a vote because you don't like how they cast it.

Stop pretending to be progressive, because you're not fooling anyone.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
31. what? Superdelegates don't go to caucuses (?)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

Superdelegates are the appointed stewards of democracy telling 55%+ of those who did caucus to go screw themselves, apparently.

Perhaps you could stop pretending to be a psychic and stick to the facts.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. Pointing out that Bernie
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

is BEHIND by ALL measures - popular vote, pledged delegates and superdelegates is simply trying to get people to see what's in front of their faces. Reality seems to have no place in Bernie world.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
52. Doners ≠ voters
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

people at rallies ? voters.

She's got millions more votes and more delegates, and we're heading into big closed primaries.

The will of the Democrats is for Hillary.

MFM008

(19,816 posts)
53. is just filling stadiums the goal ?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

frankly i dont know how he does it at 75.
Hes to old. Hes 6 years older than my dad when he died.
10 years older than my aunt, my mom is only 4 years older.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
8. Yes.... Morality is such a right-wing meme. Such a quaint concept. Ethics and Integrity too.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:22 AM
Apr 2016

Democrats need to endorse amoral evil and systemic corruption more openly.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
11. Meh, online Hillary supporters are true believers. No sense in pitching to them.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

Focus on the real world.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. How not to convince me to vote for Hillary:
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016



It was both the calloused ignorance of the candidate and the fact that her entire campaign culture defended those vile lies so fully and so casually.

Some truth about those times and NY can be found here:

AIDS IN
NEW YORK CITY, 1981-2007
HIV Epidemiology and Field Services Program
New York City Department of Health and
Mental Hygiene
March 2009
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/dires/epi-surveillance-aids07.pdf


It's got graphs so it's easy for conservative minds to look and see what NY went though while Ron and Nancy remained silent. They were silent until 1987 to be generous, 1988 to be accurate.
The graphs make it easy to understand.....
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. Kos is in many ways the Archetypical Straight Hillary 2016 booster...in 2008 he condemned and
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

berated her and in March of that year he declared his site to be a Hillary free zone just like he did this year to Bernie. Template Tantrums from a guy who was 10 years old when his hero Ronald Reagan let Americans die in neglect.

Kos on Hillary 2008:
"First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate. She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup. Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war. Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power."

"She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power." But this year, she's just so great we have to help hand her the full platter, early and on command.....
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/kos-clinton-doe.html

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
23. Why BOTHER to pitch Bernie Sanders to Clinton supporters?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

They're achin' for a historic outcome. They don't care that the person who would be her predecessor uses terms like "careless" to describe her actions in the job they see as her biggest qualification for the job she's seeking. It doesn't matter that the person who would precede her in the job she's seeking merely believes her careless actions failed to impact national security.

What's the POINT of pitching Bernie Sanders to people who believe making history is more important than solving the problems our nation is besieged by? What does it matter?

When carelessness ceases to be a disqualifying factor for the most important job in the world, supporting anyone else becomes an exercise in futility.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
26. Bernie's 'careless' too
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016
They don't care that the person who would be her predecessor uses terms like "careless" to describe her actions in the job they see as her biggest qualification for the job she's seeking.


I'd say it's even more damning that Bernie has spent the last week or so having to explain his campaign being so incompetent that they let him directly quote words that were never said, and imply he got a direct invitation from the Pope who won't even be in the same country as him during his visit.

That is incredibly 'careless'. And those are coming while he's running, not years ago when he was doing something else.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
32. Misspeaking is not akin to putting the nation's security secrets out on the open Internet.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

Nope. Sorry. One is a blunder, the other is criminal.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
36. Wrong
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

Misspeaking is when you say something you didn't intend. Bernie fully intended to say Hillary wasn't qualified, which he based on someone's outright stupidity for not checking to see what she had actually said.

That's like when Romney tried to say his "47%" speech was him misspeaking. Sorry, no one misspeaks for fifteen minutes.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
38. OK. Stupidity is STILL not as bad as putting our national security
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

secrets on an unsecured server out of convenience.

Get real.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
33. I'm sorry. I don't even know where to begin.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016

Your claim that anything Bernie Sanders has done is "even more damning" than possibly affecting national security in a negative way is beyond my ken, and arguably the stupidest comment I've seen here. That's saying a lot, seeing as how it's "silly season" at DU.

Your post takes the cake.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
35. Not at all
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie is out making the rounds, saying he has serious questions about Hillary's judgment, and until the media backlash bit him he was saying she isn't even fit to be President. If he runs a campaign where he sloppily turns a headline into a multi-day firestorm, he's careless. If he runs a campaign that can't tell the difference between being invited by a world leader, and merely attending a conference nearby, he's careless.

And if you're going to be that careless, while calling out the judgment and qualifications of the other candidate, it's even more egregious.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
39. I gotta say I chuckle hearing these concerns about "security" from people who want to disband the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

NSA and have a totally transparent government. Same people who champion Snowden.
It really doesn't ring true.

rock

(13,218 posts)
24. Well that's certainly what you should want to do
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

I.e. NOT pitch Bernie Sanders to Hillary supporters.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
29. I honestly don't care what Clinton supporters have to say about Sanders anymore.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Realistically, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the path to victory runs directly through running them over, into the sea or out of the Democratic party.

It's not a race, it's a war. You're on the wrong side of it.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
30. One thing to avoid
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

is showing them all the videos of Hillary lying her face off.

They seem to believe that lying is a virtue.


Maybe if someone could catch her in a rare moment of telling the truth, and we showed them that, it might have some affect?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
51. I can't speak for others but there was nothing they could say to me to get me to switch.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

I was always going to stand with Hillary.

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