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riversedge

(70,243 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:46 AM Apr 2016

Rated TRUE: Hillary Clinton's claim that Bernie Sanders voted for the 'Charleston loophole'

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Rated TRUE: Hillary Clinton's claim that Bernie Sanders voted for the 'Charleston loophole' http://wpo.st/VndT1 #p2 #ImwithHER #gunsense




Fact Checker


Hillary Clinton’s claim that Bernie Sanders voted for the ‘Charleston loophole’


By Glenn Kessler January 14

(Jae C. Hong/AP)

“You know, there was a loophole, my opponent voted for it, Senator Sanders, that at the end of three days, business days, you get that gun whether they have finished the background check or not. The killer in Charleston who brought that gun, if they had just spent a little more time, it would’ve been discovered, he should not have been able to buy the gun, because he had a federal record.

— Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, interview with CNN, Jan. 12, 2016

Clinton repeatedly has attacked her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), on gun issues. It is potentially a ripe target, given that the rural-state lawmaker occasionally supported positions advocated by the National Rifle Association.

This statement jumped out at The Fact Checker, as Clinton is drawing a direct link between a vote taken by Sanders to a recent gun tragedy — the June 17, 2015, killing of nine people by Dylann Roof at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C.

Is her criticism on target?
The Facts






.........The Pinocchio Test

The vote in question took place almost a quarter-century ago, but there is a relatively straight line from the 1993 vote to the 2015 shooting.

While Sanders did not specifically vote for a three-day period, he did vote for an even shorter one-day window. As a result of the amendment he supported in the House, the seven-day window was erased by the instant background system and the time allowed for extensive background checks that emerged from House-Senate negotiations was just three days. Then Sanders ended up voting against requiring any background checks at all.



Clinton earns an elusive Geppetto Checkmark.






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Rated TRUE: Hillary Clinton's claim that Bernie Sanders voted for the 'Charleston loophole' (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2016 OP
Rated........ Perogie Apr 2016 #1
Try staying focused on the OP topic. It is the polite thing to do. Thank you riversedge Apr 2016 #2
I thought we were discussing whether Hillary was telling the truth or not. Perogie Apr 2016 #3
Don't you know that St. Hillary is as pure and clean as the newly fallen snow? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #4
It is Bernie casting the stones and have to eat Pinocchios for lunch on several occasions lately. riversedge Apr 2016 #29
"you've got two good eyes but will not see" hobbit709 Apr 2016 #30
Hillary doesn't say ALWAYS support marriage equality; Sanders does say that. Pinocchio for Sanders. seabeyond Apr 2016 #6
Hillary tells some whoppers Perogie Apr 2016 #8
Marriage equality wasn't one of them. That one is ALL Sanders. seabeyond Apr 2016 #11
Once again, Clinton comes out the WINNER in honesty. She kicks everyone's ass in honest. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #5
Yes, her Bosnia trip was an honest account. Perogie Apr 2016 #10
You have to go what 2 or 3 decades. Sanders, we are talking yesterday. And the day before. While seabeyond Apr 2016 #12
There's newer lies but I get a kick out of this disillusion Hillary lie Perogie Apr 2016 #17
You're meeting with the Pope? Yup. seabeyond Apr 2016 #21
Maybe Bernie can skate away from it using her methods for whitewashing far worse judgment calls... JudyM Apr 2016 #13
Nah, he just stands with his lies making things much much worse and never ending. seabeyond Apr 2016 #15
Making one hundred grand in one month using insider information, that was a priceless bit of honesty Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #18
Clinton rated THE most honest of all the candidates. seabeyond Apr 2016 #19
Yes, I am sure she paid alot to get that rating. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #22
Oh my.... Lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #26
Huh. I'm looking into it. chascarrillo Apr 2016 #20
"Well, we'll see". Bernie was asked if he'd help to fund down ballot Dems. oasis Apr 2016 #24
Hillary has a great track record Perogie Apr 2016 #7
Odd how the person we are continually told mcar Apr 2016 #9
It really is an ironic hoot, though, isn't it. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #14
Hillary spoke "truth, whole truth & nothing but truth" Hortensis Apr 2016 #16
And Hillary voted for cluster bombs and land mines Perogie Apr 2016 #23
They both are associated with atrocities in Hortensis Apr 2016 #27
WaPo actually ran out of Pinnochios, Bernie Sadners had apparently earned their whole stock. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #25
She has absolutely no right to ATTACK Bernie with FACTS!! Jitter65 Apr 2016 #28
DU rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #31

Perogie

(687 posts)
1. Rated........
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary claims she's against Gay Marriage, Hillary claims Iraq had WMD and her vote to invade Iraq was the right vote. And my favorite Hillary's lies she was under sniper fire.




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Perogie

(687 posts)
3. I thought we were discussing whether Hillary was telling the truth or not.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

Seems I have stayed on topic.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
4. Don't you know that St. Hillary is as pure and clean as the newly fallen snow?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016


and she never hesitates to cast the first stone.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. Hillary doesn't say ALWAYS support marriage equality; Sanders does say that. Pinocchio for Sanders.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. You have to go what 2 or 3 decades. Sanders, we are talking yesterday. And the day before. While
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

running a campaign of integrity, lmao.

Perogie

(687 posts)
17. There's newer lies but I get a kick out of this disillusion Hillary lie
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

Someone has to be mentally unbalance to make this up.

It also shows a pattern of her lying though out her career. Proof she is a pathological liar.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
13. Maybe Bernie can skate away from it using her methods for whitewashing far worse judgment calls...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016
 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
18. Making one hundred grand in one month using insider information, that was a priceless bit of honesty
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

mcar

(42,334 posts)
9. Odd how the person we are continually told
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

is untrustworthy gets "truth" on so many fact checks and the one we are told is honest and noble gets lots of Pinocchios.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Hillary spoke "truth, whole truth & nothing but truth"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

according to the fact checker.

And Bernie deserves his condemnation from the families of children murdered at Sandy Hook for supporting the gun manufacturer against them. Also condemnation for arranging to send Vermont's nuclear waste to poison a poor little town in Texas. Then there's the rest of his 25 years in national politics...

There are no "perfect," unsullied candidates. Only one some like to imagine is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. They both are associated with atrocities in
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

various ways. They are both modern American politicians operating at the national level. GET IT?

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