2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEven Trump thinks the DNC system is corrupt... He will use this on HRC in the GE if she is in it.
Found a youtube clip of it:
At 19:40
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And he would love to run against Bernie.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)it doesn't matter you Hillary supporters will continue to be in denial.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The reality is the Hillary is winning because of math -- she has way more votes, and thus way more pledged delegates -- not because of corruption.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)have voted for Hillary than have voted for Bernie are you having trouble with? It's very simple math and perhaps a tutor would help.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)She's disqualified ethically, maybe not legally but ethically.
She doesn't deserve it because she doesn't represent our core values. She's worked hard for it but that isn't the same thing.
And, she's weak. Her baggage, real and imagined, and her very tone, she's a turn off and she just can't win in the GE.
These are sad times for the nation and for the party-- Clintons suck all the air out of the room. Every element of the party machinery and it's corporate media partners have made it practically impossible to hold a legitimate primary.
Still, we may win this mofo and I think we will, but not with her.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Your candidates understands he can't win if he claims that the candidate most qualified to be President of the United States is "unqualified". It's a shame his zealous supporters aren't as politically astute as he is. I would stick to "it's a fricking revolution" meme if I were you.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It was Hillary who backed down.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)dynasties ruling this country.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)about how Bernie can beat all R's in the general,Hillary can't.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)no contest against Trump, Bernie would defeat him in the GE. I know so many democrats so fed up with HRC, they say they just can't vote for her and well might not vote at all.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Good luck with that!!!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Quoting Republicans about the Democratic primaries seems to me to be off-base, entirely. Trump should be paying attention to his own campaign and party, not the Democrats.
And we shouldn't be reading quotes from Donald Trump about our own party here on DU.
So it seems to me, anyhow.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I don't take my cues from Republicans, and especially not from Donald Trump. It's amusing or worse to see supporters of a Democratic candidate for President use the leading Republican's words with regard to our own primary.
For me, it is symptomatic of something terribly wrong with the primary race. You appear to differ.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)blm
(113,065 posts)If you chose to NOT attend the meetings and conventions for the party when rules are set, then why would anyone complain AFTERWARDS about how a private organization like the DNC fashions its rules?
95% of DU when was for Howard Dean in 2003-4. I was one of the minority here for Kerry. I don't recall constant waves of knee-jerk bitching out of the Deaniacs at the time as I am seeing from my own Sanders voting side now targeting the results they don't like.
Get involved N YOUR STATE if you want the rules to reflect what YOU deem as fair. By not showing up you are, essentially, saying you are fine with OTHERS deciding for your state's party.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)The more people leave the DLC party the more likely the Third way can finally collapse in on itself and die.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)....so kindly cease your complaining.
And oh, I am starting to like the term "third way" if as I currently understand its meaning from context, it describes a political strategy which both the zealots on the far left and the far right hate. I am going to have read up on "third way" strategies.
By the way, I see very little difference in the personalities and tactics of those on the far left and the far right though they represent polar opposite political views. Most political scientist agree - see the "Horseshoe Principle".
blm
(113,065 posts)have absolutely no interest in lifting a finger to effect your state's party rules?
Would Michigan's state party rules be better for your political goals than Georgia's? Would Alaska's? Do you even understand how rules come about in each state?
Seems to me that since you recently joined here you spend LOTS of energy and hours posting attack whines and rants against the Dem party motivated by your stated goal above that you want the Dem party to collapse and die.
Here you declare openly that you will refuse to use a drop of that same endless energy to act locally to effect the change you claim is needed.
Sanders joined the Dem party and this race fully cognizant of the rules in each state, and I easily voted for him here in NC and with the rules in place for NC Dem primary.
I didn't whine and rant when Sanders lost NC just as many Dean voters didn't whine and rant when they lost state after state in 2004.
But, hey, let's all bow down now to those like you who would rather use your considerable time and energy attacking those Dems, like Sanders, who accept the rules and work within the system that their fellow Dems in their states put forth.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)I am not part of the Democratic Party because I don't think it is progressive... It tries to pretend to be progressive, but it is just a Corporate owned party that is better on social issues, but not much better. I remember it wasn't long ago Democrats could give a shit about my rights as a gay man, so don't lecture me about the Democratic Party.
blm
(113,065 posts)fvcking with this entire state to the extreme. GOP majority voted into office by those Independents you glorify as you target Dem PARTY.
My 15yo daughter and I spent 4hrs outside government center PROTESTING HB2 on Saturday.
I work to elect Democrats who are committed to equality issues.
You can't deal with the REALITY that it is the Dem party now committed to equality as an issue, and that your precious 'independents' are the ones who vote in homophobic Republicans YEAR AFTER YEAR.
You don't sound like you care much about reality as it EXISTS. You are committed to SPIN against the Dem party. Next you'll be telling us not to 'lecture' you on minority issues, because 'it wasn't long ago Democrats' were the party of the KKK.
You know
.just like ALL the RW propagandists like to say.
I am a Sanders voter who DOESN'T rely on RW propaganda and do not attack the Dem party he joined to be a candidate in this race. There are a good number of us here who will not do that, a silent majority if you will. Except the few of us who pipe up when we don't trust the most belligerent 'messengers' claiming to be Sanders supporters here.
Apparently, you have chosen to blast constant contempt of the Dem party as YOUR priority here at DU.
Just calling it as you I see you presenting yourself.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)I blast the Democratic Establishment. I support progressive candidates though... If the DNC gives me a Turd Way as an option I won't vote on it. Joining the DNC will subject me to spam and begging for donations. My money will not go to the DNC my money will go to the specific progressive candidates I support, some of which I list in my sig.
I am aware the Democratic Party is better on equality now, but it is thanks to the effort of many LGBTQ activists forcing the party there.
blm
(113,065 posts)and show contempt for the party and its rules state by state that you want changed as you refuse to lift a finger in your own state.
So to avoid spam emails you won't lift a finger to EFFECT changes to rules you spend ALOT of personal time and energy RANTING AGAINST on a Dem board.
What a citizen.
And, for the record, your little backtrack you tried above doesn't ring true, either.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)It is a fact that LGBTQ activists forced the party to where it is at by activism, protesting, and throwing pride parades to help normalize the issue. There were few allies I am aware of in government prior to the polling showing >50% support of gay rights when many Democratic politicians all of a sudden came around. Sanders was one of those allies his whole life.
Also please don't come at me suggesting I vote for Republicans... I have never in my life pulled a lever for a republican and I find it would be unlikely I ever will unless something crazy happens to that party. Not voting for a candidate is not an automatic vote for the other candidate. I have a right to vote for someone or not vote at all if I like neither candidate.
blm
(113,065 posts)Because, the REALITY we are dealing with EVERY DAY in the actual political arena you don't want to support, is that only the Dem party as a whole will stick their necks out in support of the vulnerable groups you are here claiming to support.
Why should any Democrat reject an entire party and its rules in individual states based on the whims of people like you who admit you wouldn't lift a finger for that party and, indeed, expend any of your precious energy to get Democrats elected even when they support the issues you 'claim' are a priority for you?
You sure do have LOTS of time and LOTS of energy to spend here at DU since you recently joined, targeting Dem party for attacks where you predominantly post
.GD-Primaries. Have you ever popped in to the LGBT groups here? Or do you just use that the way some have come here to DU posing as people of color supporting GOP on 'some issues'??
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Really?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... to see what sticks.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)It's unseemly.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Really?
You are going to go with this?
Does no one see what I see with this poster? Is everyone else blind? Why are we always taking the damn bait?
OilemFirchen
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GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)How can you be a Democrat and support that? It gives corporations power to sue over laws they don't like.... That is scary
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Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)That is messed up.
When Trump is a vessel of truth than we are in deep trouble, my friends.
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Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Just saying that in this instance he is correct.
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Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Also, Being Misleading IS what politics are today.
Trump can Empathize with Bernie on the Electoral process because of how the Delegates are being allocated in ways to protect certain people and stop others from winning.
Don't get me wrong. Trump is a Horrid human being And Scarbough is a douche, but they sometimes do have a point.
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blm
(113,065 posts)That's the only reasonable action to take.
I am a Sanders voter and many of us here in NC are Dem party workers and volunteers.
We show up to have a voice.