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Even Trump thinks the DNC system is corrupt... He will use this on HRC in the GE if she is in it. (Original Post) GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 OP
Trump doesn't like math any more than Hillary-haters on the far left do. DanTex Apr 2016 #1
You are so blind to the truth. No matter who says it, Trump, Joe, Bernie, millions of people bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #3
A little odd that Bernie fans keep citing right-wingers, don't you think? DanTex Apr 2016 #6
What part of more people leftynyc Apr 2016 #16
I think HRC is going to have a very rough time of it in the 2016 GE "if" Trump is the R nominee. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #2
She will never be president. She is disqualified and she doesn't deserve it and she's weak. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #8
Sanders tried the "disqualified" meme, and look how quickly he walked ti back CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #12
Actually he didn't walk it back and he said he'd go there again if Hillary does NWCorona Apr 2016 #25
The more she campaigns, the less I like her. She will be the SOS and likely worse. I'm fed up with RKP5637 Apr 2016 #19
They were just talking on MSNBC Go Vols Apr 2016 #38
Yep, she has so much baggage as does Bill, and now she's magically changing. She will be RKP5637 Apr 2016 #40
Sanders supporters now see Trump as a reliable source of analysis? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #4
Trump? Why do we care what Trump thinks? MineralMan Apr 2016 #5
Tough for you then. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #7
Why is it "tough" for me? MineralMan Apr 2016 #14
Me, No! However, Trump is the one commanding 80% of the media coverage and can affect Dems. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #36
Did you attend your state's party convention to speak against your state's primary rules? blm Apr 2016 #9
Nah, think I'll remain an independent. Don't need to join the DLC party to vote in the primary here GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #11
Then you don't get a say on how the Democrat Party runs our primaries... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #15
Then why be here at DU and whine about Dem party rules in each state when you blm Apr 2016 #23
I joined DU because it has a strong Sanders group here, that I was linked to from Reddit... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #27
Dem party I work with here in NC is confronting equality issues DAILY because of GOP blm Apr 2016 #31
Inaccurate... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #33
It's Independents voting for homophobic Republicans as you come HERE to rail against Dems blm Apr 2016 #35
My backtrack? GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #42
Go to Independent Underground and hold THEM responsible for the charges you direct at Dems. blm Apr 2016 #43
Has Camp Sanders fallen so far that they now cite Donald effing Trump to buttress their arguments? Tarc Apr 2016 #10
When they are desparate they will throw any argument at the wall/// CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #18
Stop Trumphumping. Codeine Apr 2016 #13
Fuck Donald Trump FSogol Apr 2016 #17
Seriously? Agschmid Apr 2016 #20
You are not the only one. Trust me. (n/t) OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #39
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The Trans Pacific Partnership? GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #22
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I agree with Trump Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #24
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Not saying you are wrong Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #29
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The DNC being fairer is an illusion. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #32
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Go to work in your state to change the rules you feel need to be changed. blm Apr 2016 #37
I really don't care what Trump thinks of the DNC. Deuce Apr 2016 #41

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. Trump doesn't like math any more than Hillary-haters on the far left do.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

And he would love to run against Bernie.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
3. You are so blind to the truth. No matter who says it, Trump, Joe, Bernie, millions of people
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

it doesn't matter you Hillary supporters will continue to be in denial.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. A little odd that Bernie fans keep citing right-wingers, don't you think?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

The reality is the Hillary is winning because of math -- she has way more votes, and thus way more pledged delegates -- not because of corruption.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. What part of more people
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

have voted for Hillary than have voted for Bernie are you having trouble with? It's very simple math and perhaps a tutor would help.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
8. She will never be president. She is disqualified and she doesn't deserve it and she's weak.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

She's disqualified ethically, maybe not legally but ethically.

She doesn't deserve it because she doesn't represent our core values. She's worked hard for it but that isn't the same thing.

And, she's weak. Her baggage, real and imagined, and her very tone, she's a turn off and she just can't win in the GE.

These are sad times for the nation and for the party-- Clintons suck all the air out of the room. Every element of the party machinery and it's corporate media partners have made it practically impossible to hold a legitimate primary.

Still, we may win this mofo and I think we will, but not with her.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
12. Sanders tried the "disqualified" meme, and look how quickly he walked ti back
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

Your candidates understands he can't win if he claims that the candidate most qualified to be President of the United States is "unqualified". It's a shame his zealous supporters aren't as politically astute as he is. I would stick to "it's a fricking revolution" meme if I were you.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
25. Actually he didn't walk it back and he said he'd go there again if Hillary does
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

It was Hillary who backed down.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
19. The more she campaigns, the less I like her. She will be the SOS and likely worse. I'm fed up with
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

dynasties ruling this country.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
40. Yep, she has so much baggage as does Bill, and now she's magically changing. She will be
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

no contest against Trump, Bernie would defeat him in the GE. I know so many democrats so fed up with HRC, they say they just can't vote for her and well might not vote at all.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Trump? Why do we care what Trump thinks?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

Quoting Republicans about the Democratic primaries seems to me to be off-base, entirely. Trump should be paying attention to his own campaign and party, not the Democrats.

And we shouldn't be reading quotes from Donald Trump about our own party here on DU.

So it seems to me, anyhow.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. Why is it "tough" for me?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

I don't take my cues from Republicans, and especially not from Donald Trump. It's amusing or worse to see supporters of a Democratic candidate for President use the leading Republican's words with regard to our own primary.

For me, it is symptomatic of something terribly wrong with the primary race. You appear to differ.

blm

(113,065 posts)
9. Did you attend your state's party convention to speak against your state's primary rules?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

If you chose to NOT attend the meetings and conventions for the party when rules are set, then why would anyone complain AFTERWARDS about how a private organization like the DNC fashions its rules?

95% of DU when was for Howard Dean in 2003-4. I was one of the minority here for Kerry. I don't recall constant waves of knee-jerk bitching out of the Deaniacs at the time as I am seeing from my own Sanders voting side now targeting the results they don't like.

Get involved N YOUR STATE if you want the rules to reflect what YOU deem as fair. By not showing up you are, essentially, saying you are fine with OTHERS deciding for your state's party.


 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
11. Nah, think I'll remain an independent. Don't need to join the DLC party to vote in the primary here
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

The more people leave the DLC party the more likely the Third way can finally collapse in on itself and die.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
15. Then you don't get a say on how the Democrat Party runs our primaries...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

....so kindly cease your complaining.

And oh, I am starting to like the term "third way" if as I currently understand its meaning from context, it describes a political strategy which both the zealots on the far left and the far right hate. I am going to have read up on "third way" strategies.

By the way, I see very little difference in the personalities and tactics of those on the far left and the far right though they represent polar opposite political views. Most political scientist agree - see the "Horseshoe Principle".

blm

(113,065 posts)
23. Then why be here at DU and whine about Dem party rules in each state when you
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

have absolutely no interest in lifting a finger to effect your state's party rules?

Would Michigan's state party rules be better for your political goals than Georgia's? Would Alaska's? Do you even understand how rules come about in each state?

Seems to me that since you recently joined here you spend LOTS of energy and hours posting attack whines and rants against the Dem party motivated by your stated goal above that you want the Dem party to collapse and die.

Here you declare openly that you will refuse to use a drop of that same endless energy to act locally to effect the change you claim is needed.

Sanders joined the Dem party and this race fully cognizant of the rules in each state, and I easily voted for him here in NC and with the rules in place for NC Dem primary.

I didn't whine and rant when Sanders lost NC just as many Dean voters didn't whine and rant when they lost state after state in 2004.

But, hey, let's all bow down now to those like you who would rather use your considerable time and energy attacking those Dems, like Sanders, who accept the rules and work within the system that their fellow Dems in their states put forth.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
27. I joined DU because it has a strong Sanders group here, that I was linked to from Reddit...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

I am not part of the Democratic Party because I don't think it is progressive... It tries to pretend to be progressive, but it is just a Corporate owned party that is better on social issues, but not much better. I remember it wasn't long ago Democrats could give a shit about my rights as a gay man, so don't lecture me about the Democratic Party.

blm

(113,065 posts)
31. Dem party I work with here in NC is confronting equality issues DAILY because of GOP
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

fvcking with this entire state to the extreme. GOP majority voted into office by those Independents you glorify as you target Dem PARTY.

My 15yo daughter and I spent 4hrs outside government center PROTESTING HB2 on Saturday.

I work to elect Democrats who are committed to equality issues.

You can't deal with the REALITY that it is the Dem party now committed to equality as an issue, and that your precious 'independents' are the ones who vote in homophobic Republicans YEAR AFTER YEAR.

You don't sound like you care much about reality as it EXISTS. You are committed to SPIN against the Dem party. Next you'll be telling us not to 'lecture' you on minority issues, because 'it wasn't long ago Democrats' were the party of the KKK.

You know….just like ALL the RW propagandists like to say.

I am a Sanders voter who DOESN'T rely on RW propaganda and do not attack the Dem party he joined to be a candidate in this race. There are a good number of us here who will not do that, a silent majority if you will. Except the few of us who pipe up when we don't trust the most belligerent 'messengers' claiming to be Sanders supporters here.

Apparently, you have chosen to blast constant contempt of the Dem party as YOUR priority here at DU.

Just calling it as you I see you presenting yourself.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
33. Inaccurate...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

I blast the Democratic Establishment. I support progressive candidates though... If the DNC gives me a Turd Way as an option I won't vote on it. Joining the DNC will subject me to spam and begging for donations. My money will not go to the DNC my money will go to the specific progressive candidates I support, some of which I list in my sig.

I am aware the Democratic Party is better on equality now, but it is thanks to the effort of many LGBTQ activists forcing the party there.

blm

(113,065 posts)
35. It's Independents voting for homophobic Republicans as you come HERE to rail against Dems
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

and show contempt for the party and its rules state by state that you want changed as you refuse to lift a finger in your own state.

So to avoid spam emails you won't lift a finger to EFFECT changes to rules you spend ALOT of personal time and energy RANTING AGAINST on a Dem board.

What a citizen.

And, for the record, your little backtrack you tried above doesn't ring true, either.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
42. My backtrack?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:04 PM
Apr 2016

It is a fact that LGBTQ activists forced the party to where it is at by activism, protesting, and throwing pride parades to help normalize the issue. There were few allies I am aware of in government prior to the polling showing >50% support of gay rights when many Democratic politicians all of a sudden came around. Sanders was one of those allies his whole life.

Also please don't come at me suggesting I vote for Republicans... I have never in my life pulled a lever for a republican and I find it would be unlikely I ever will unless something crazy happens to that party. Not voting for a candidate is not an automatic vote for the other candidate. I have a right to vote for someone or not vote at all if I like neither candidate.

blm

(113,065 posts)
43. Go to Independent Underground and hold THEM responsible for the charges you direct at Dems.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Because, the REALITY we are dealing with EVERY DAY in the actual political arena you don't want to support, is that only the Dem party as a whole will stick their necks out in support of the vulnerable groups you are here claiming to support.

Why should any Democrat reject an entire party and its rules in individual states based on the whims of people like you who admit you wouldn't lift a finger for that party and, indeed, expend any of your precious energy to get Democrats elected even when they support the issues you 'claim' are a priority for you?

You sure do have LOTS of time and LOTS of energy to spend here at DU since you recently joined, targeting Dem party for attacks where you predominantly post….GD-Primaries. Have you ever popped in to the LGBT groups here? Or do you just use that the way some have come here to DU posing as people of color supporting GOP on 'some issues'??

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
10. Has Camp Sanders fallen so far that they now cite Donald effing Trump to buttress their arguments?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016

Really?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. Seriously?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

Really?

You are going to go with this?

Does no one see what I see with this poster? Is everyone else blind? Why are we always taking the damn bait?

Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Original post)

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
22. The Trans Pacific Partnership?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

How can you be a Democrat and support that? It gives corporations power to sue over laws they don't like.... That is scary

Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #22)

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
24. I agree with Trump
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

That is messed up.
When Trump is a vessel of truth than we are in deep trouble, my friends.

Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #24)

Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #29)

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
32. The DNC being fairer is an illusion.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

Also, Being Misleading IS what politics are today.
Trump can Empathize with Bernie on the Electoral process because of how the Delegates are being allocated in ways to protect certain people and stop others from winning.
Don't get me wrong. Trump is a Horrid human being And Scarbough is a douche, but they sometimes do have a point.

Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #32)

blm

(113,065 posts)
37. Go to work in your state to change the rules you feel need to be changed.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

That's the only reasonable action to take.

I am a Sanders voter and many of us here in NC are Dem party workers and volunteers.

We show up to have a voice.

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