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Looks like Bernie had an interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer--for an endorsement
But based on this column--I do not think it is forthcoming
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Bernie offers little beyond making us 'mad as hell'
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Bernie offers little beyond making us 'mad as hell'
Updated: April 8, 2016 11:24 AM EDT
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by Harold Jackson, Inquirer Opinion Columnist
Things have got to change. But first, youve got to get mad! Youve got to say, Im as mad as hell, and Im not going to take this anymore! Howard Beale
Forgive me, but I cant help comparing Bernie Sanders presidential campaign to Howard Beale, the fictional news anchor in the 1976 film Network who sparks a movement based on anger. Let me stress that my comparison ends there. Sanders isnt really like the suicidal character so magnificently played by Peter Finch. But the Feel the Bern movement is similarly based on people getting angry with the status quo.
The subtext of this campaign is called a political revolution, Sanders said Wednesday in an endorsement meeting with the Inquirer Editorial Board. ................
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Having been a socialist independent for most of his political career, the senator seems to have become accustomed to leading efforts that may not succeed. He seems very good at pointing out what people should be mad about, but has not been so good in outlining how a President Sanders would succeed after the revolution.
Maybe thats why Sanders presidential campaign decided to turn negative. ..................
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Bipartisanship doesnt seem to be Sanders principal goal. ...................
I like it when Sanders uses buzzwords like revolution, ruling class, and cult of money to get people excited about the need to shake things up. But when he talks about what happens after the revolution, I am reminded of banana republics, where people trusted their hearts to revolutionaries who didnt know how to govern.
The dearth of details in Sanders speeches is particularly intriguing to African Americans like me who have grown tired over the years of hearing that black people vote with their hearts rather than their minds. Its white voters, especially younger ones, who seem to have fallen so in love with Sanders that they ignore his faults.
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But anger alone solves little........................
In fact, angrily focusing on Clintons negatives has drawn attention to inconsistencies in Sanders narrative. ..................
Sanders never misses a chance to criticize Clinton for voting with the majority that gave President George W. Bush authority to attack Iraq in 2002. But four years earlier the senator had voted in favor of a resolution that said, It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.
Obviously, somewhere along the way Sanders changed his mind about regime change in Iraq. Clinton, too, in retrospect says voting for the Iraq war was a mistake. But instead of fighting the last war, she is ready with a plan. .................
Similarly, he only reluctantly admits that trade pacts have also created jobs for American workers by opening new markets to U.S.-made goods. .........................
...................I think Sanders, like Howard Beale, misleads people to believe that all they need do to change the world is open up a window and yell, Im as mad as hell, and Im not going to take this anymore! You need a better plan than what he has provided so far for what comes next.
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GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)They stood up to Bush, and with their words now we the people will stand up to the Clinton Machine!
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)My parents in NJ have been reading it for decades now. In other words, this is going to bern Sadners in more states than just one.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)I added to OP
Armstead
(47,803 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)The last thing they want to hear is that people are going to take their sweet time helping them. Because being bold is too hard.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Wealth and political power have become increasingly concentrated since 1980.
What have the Dems to to stop that process? Not a whole hell of a lot.
Worse yet, how much have they tried? Not a hell of a lot on a meaningful structural level.
Even worse, they have aided and abetted it with bad policies (see deregulation, privatization, abandonment of anti-trust, welfare deform, etc.) and tepid messages that reinforce the GOP and demonize liberal and progressive goals.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Clinton tosses a lot of detailed things that will be forgotten after the election.
Sanders is setting goals and priorites and strategies to accomplish them.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)He has to lay out broad goals to break through the noise.
Whether he uses statute A54860 over statute B23456 or otehr specifics will be negotiated in the usual legislative and executive sausage making process.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... plan on getting shit done or he's full of crap
Armstead
(47,803 posts)..either the specifics that already are there, or the larger context and why it matters.
Clinton is not simply an incrementalist. I have no problem with incremental change or "realism"....But she represents the forces of the elite status quo that smothers real meaningful progress and glosses over the core of out economic, political and governmental problems today.
It's a shame so many want to lose sight of the forest for the trees and enable our continuing slide into an undemocratic oligarchy.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... doctors, pharma and hospital groups accept half of their current pay and neither is how he's going to get McConnel to bring shit to the floor that he's not legally obligated to.
"revolution" is the platitude for all or most of that ... no details at all on these pivotal questions
Armstead
(47,803 posts)In the 1980's REagan and the GOP and Corporate Elites carried out a political revolution. They convinced people to vote against their own interests, and accept the CON job of trickle down economics.
The Democratic Elites didn't challenge it...They aided and abetted it.
Bernie is talking about a counter revolution -- but one which works FOR the greater good, rather than against it.
If you prefer to dismiss that as a goal, be my guest..... But don't whine about the results in the future as the Reagan Revolution continues unchallenged ....and the poor get ever more screwed, average people lose their standard of living, and government continues to be bought and sold by the ultra wealthy and powerful.
randr
(12,412 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Sanders is pandering very similarly to the way Trump is pandering.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
The same empire that is preventing the Democratic voter records from being released to his son's challenger, Alex Law.
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ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)And much of the frustration is from the Bush/Clinton policies!!
30 years of bullshit....wars and trade deals....more drugs on the street for their nefarious activities. People polled early on, did not want another Bush or Clinton. If Hillary is the nominee, it will all at once, appear like a funeral. After all, throughout the entire campaign, her support in public is paltry. Wait, until it's all there is to hear and see.
livetohike
(22,147 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)riversedge
(70,243 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)The first step to solving a problem is admitting the problem exists.
Clintonism has done everything to distract attention from the problem by using bright shiny objects and meaningless pablum disguised as "solutions."
riversedge
(70,243 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Getting all in a tizzy because Sanders "ummmed" and didn't have minuate at hand, while TOTALLY MARGINALIZING the larger point.
he's not ready for prime time if you cponsider prime time the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
I'd sure rather a candidate who point out the things below and will hire and consult with people to work on the details.
http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
Daily News: ....in your speech you mention the financial industry and you focused on corporate America, the greed of Wall Street and corporate America. So I wanted to get a sense of corporate America, as the agent of American destruction.
Sanders: General Electric, good example. General Electric was created in this country by American workers and American consumers. What we have seen over the many years is shutting down of many major plants in this country. Sending jobs to low-wage countries. And General Electric, doing a very good job avoiding the taxes. In fact, in a given year, they pay nothing in taxes. That's greed.
That is greed and thats selfishness. That is lack of respect for the people of this country.
Daily News: And so how does that destroy the fabric of America?
Sanders: I'll tell you how it does. If you are a corporation and the only damn thing you are concerned about is your profits. Let's just give an example of a corporation that's making money in America, today, but desiring to move to China or to Mexico to make even more money. That is destroying the moral fabric of this country. That is saying that I don't care that the workers, here have worked for decades. It doesn't matter to me. The only thing that matters is that I can make a little bit more money. That the dollar is all that is almighty. And I think that is the moral fabric.
To me, what moral is, I've got to be concerned about you. You've got to be concerned about my wife. That's moral to me. That's what I believe in. And if the only thing that matters to you is making an extra buck, you don't care about my family, I think that's immoral. And I think what corporate America has shown us in the last number of years, what Wall Street has shown us, the only thing that matters is their profits and their money. And the hell with the rest of the people of this country.
Daily News: Okay. Do you weigh in the balance at all, the fact that a company that's moving jobs overseas, that the competitive climate may be such that they feel that they must, to compete in the United States?
Sanders: No. I think, firstly, we have to appreciate these guys wrote the rules in the first place. So they wrote the trade agreements. And then, yes, I do understand you can make more profits by paying people in Mexico, or China, or Vietnam pennies an hour, I do understand that. But I believe that people have...and, by the way, I'm not anti-trade. We live in a global economy, we need trade. But the trade policies that we have allowed to occur, that were written by corporate America have been disastrous for American workers.
So I think we need trade. But I think it should be based on fair trade policies. No, I don't think it is appropriate for trade policies to say that you can move to a country where wages are abysmal, where there are no environmental regulations, where workers can't form unions. That's not the kind of trade agreement that I will support.
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Daily News: At what point in history, in the recent history of the United States, do you think the balance began to tip against the American worker?
Sanders: In the early '70s. I think it was in the late '60s/early '70s. I think Lyndon Johnson's, maybe even earlier than that, the victory over Goldwater, in '64 got the ruling class in this country very nervous.
And I think there became a very organized effort, on the part of corporate America, and very powerful forces, to say, "Look, we are in trouble. And we're going to have to fight back." And I think what you have seen in a number of ways, trade being one way, attacks on trade unions being another way, to really reestablish and strengthen the power of the few against the many.
Daily News: And do you trace all of that, do you ascribe, are those the forces in your mind that have led to wage stagnation since then?
Sanders: I think there's been a very concerted effort to take on trade unions. No question about that. You're seeing that every day, or in the last few years, in Wisconsin, what the governor there, Scott Walker, is about. That is a perfect metaphor for what I think corporate America...much, I'm not going to say all of, but much of corporate America has wanted to privatize everything that can be privatized. To destroy trade unions. To make it harder for people to get health care. To give tax breaks to the very wealthiest people in this country. Yeah, I think that has been a very concerted effort.
riversedge
(70,243 posts)have the gall to say I am distracting. bye
Armstead
(47,803 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)One of the big reasons throughout history when you see someone trying to lead a splinter group they tap into fear, anger, and get them when they are young.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sanders is not just trying to stir up anger.
He is trying to get us to admit that there are real systemic problems -- and more importantly he is inspiring people that they don't have to keep being ignored and have to eat the crumbs dropped by the Oligarchs in a corrupted system.
Clinton and the crew she represents seems to want people to be debilitated, because the the current rigged system works for them. They cash in while telling the rest of us that tghere is no money or political will to do any better.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)Bernie's supporters are pissed off at the source: corporate greed, which places max profits above the well-being of workers.
Trump's supporters are pissed off at the symptomatic outcome of corporate greed, seeing good jobs leave the country and what's left being filled by immigrants willing to work for less. "Change = Bad. So fix it". Ironic that a Donald Trump who is clearly part of the problem we're now facing is seen as a solution.
While seeing the issue with far greater clarity, Bernie's folks would do well to recognize that all the $$$ to secure better wages, better health care for all, and affordable access to higher education needs a source, which is.... the corporate cash cow.
The tough part is, holding big business's feet to the fire to deliver the goods, preventing them from outsourcing even more jobs, while holding it more accountable for environmental protection is a lofty goal, but a very heavy lift in a competitive global economy. So aside from venting anger and frustration, I don't see a whole lot of realistic or viable solutions on the horizon. And I have always considered myself to be an optimist.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)The electorate is wising up to the fact that agitated hand-waving and buzzword-spouting are not policy platforms.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)you crazy!!! Because his (and any honest, realistic solutions) would devastate your bottom line and disrupt that status quo you've worked so hard to maintain based on the backs of working, hurting and suffering people.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Anyone not benefiting from 35+ years of increasing oligarchic power and economic injustice who isn't mad as hell is an idiot.