2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn MTP, Bernie said he didn't have to win NY
He said he has a path to the nomination without it.
Anyone care to math that scenario out for me?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A Bernie Jernie, as it were.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)That's what I suspect the Sadners campaign whiteboard looks like.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)doesn't sound very confident, does he?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)that's all he really needs
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Phonebanking for dummies.
I think we can win NY state.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Similarly Hillary stands out as what she is and she won't do a single thing for you.
Cheers.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)berningman
(144 posts)hardluck
(639 posts)HillaryHags is rude and over the top. 'hags' is a nasty term and this poster is calling fellow members including women 'hags' Please consider a hide.
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"Bro" is generally a positive term.
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On a separate note, I cannot wait for the election to be over as I hate this in-fighting. I'd vote for any democrat over trump any day, no matter who it is...
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Codeine
(25,586 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)It's the Great Bernie Rush of 2016
morningfog
(18,115 posts)For math purposes, just keep in mind, if he rolls into June 7 needing 60% of the pledged delegates, that is mathematically attainable and even plausible if CA is breaking for him.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Yeah, no
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Math. Hillary will not mathematically eliminate Bernie through the entirety of the voting primary. She will not secure 2,383 pledged delegates.
Political possibility and likelihood are separate questions.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)He has no obligation to admit defeat before the convention, but at what point do you owe it to your supporters to be honest?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)get what we're about.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)We know damn well that it is next to none that he surpasses her in the pledged delegate count.
That is his only viable path, to secure the pledged delegate majority. I support him staying until one of them secure 2,026 pledged delegates.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)at some point this becomes "so you're telling me there's a chance"
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Hillary will not eliminate Bernie through the pledged delegate process.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as soon as Clinton clinches a majority of pledged delegates (assuming that happens), she declares victory, the media declares her the winner, Obama endorses her, Elizabeth Warren endorses her, Al Gore endorses her, etc etc.
That's exactly what happened in 2008 when Obama had clinched both the pledged delegate majority and the overall majority including pledged and super delegates.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)to get his voters to the polls. If he admits he can't get the majority of pledged delegates, the race is over. Is there a theoretical way he could win without New York? Yes. Is there a practical way? No.
It's a campaign. He needs his voters to show up. He will keep claiming he can win until it becomes impossible for him to win, even theoretically.
We will know for certain by the end of April, for all practical purposes.
I know this, though: The superdelegates will not vote to make the person with fewer pledged delegates the nominee. That absolutely will not happen. Bernie has to go to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates if he hopes to get the nomination.
So, he has to keep claiming that there is a path to that outcome. If he cannot, he's done and will have to admit it.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)need a reality check
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)What some people believe does not add up to pledged delegates. There are more primary elections in April. He needs good wins in those. It doesn't look like he'll get them, as far as I can see.
His path to the nomination is getting narrower and narrower, and now is on the edge of a steep cliff. Any misstep along the route will end in disaster for him.
New York is next. I'll be watching on the morning of the 20th for the results. Then, a week later, I"ll be watching for more results. It is the actual results in those primary elections that matter. Nothing else really does.
Candidates say all sorts of things. Some of those things are true. Others are more questionable. They're candidates and need voters to turn out and vote.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)It's all about the donation faucet.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Enough, at least, to get him through April. What he needs is votes, and confidence is important in getting those. So, he's trying to promote confidence in his chances. That's Campaign Strategy 101.
I wouldn't expect anything else from any candidate. When he can no longer instill confidence in his supporters and recruit new ones, the race is over. As long as there is a theoretical way for him to go to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates, I think he'll keep trying.
As observers, we may see things differently, though. I don't have a primary or caucus coming up. Mine's over. I'm an observer at this point.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)He's grifting at this point.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1704832
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I don't think calling one of our candidates a "grifter" belongs on du. Rude and over the top.
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PJMcK
(22,037 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)support to erode faster than ice during climate change.
Hang onto your hats folks.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Inquiring minds want to know. . .
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Let's give Hillary a 56% in NY. Sanders has to carry the rest at 59%...
http://DemRace.com/?share=TeP7Tsak
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Super delegates are not going to be supporting Sanders in the numbers needed for Sanders to be the nominee without winning New York by double digits
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)You can't keep losing and remain viable.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... either close wins or close losses (1 or 2%) in the Apr 26 primaries (CT, DE, MD, PA, RI). If he gets out of April down by less than 150 delegates, he'll need huge wins in IN, WV, MT, NM, and ND; significant wins (~5%) in KY, OR. If he splits CA and NJ with Clinton, he stands a chance.
All of that must play out -- ALL OF IT -- or he's done.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)60+ swings are not that easy to come by
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Starting in MAY, he'd need:
80% in IN
50% in Guam
75% in WV
55% in KY, OR, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico
50% in CA
80% in MT
50% in NJ
65 % in NM
75% in SD
Then, if the takes 100% of Washington DC, he still loses by about 5 delegates. (If HRC wins NY with 55%, he needs yet another 50 delegates)
This ain't gonna be easy for him.
mythology
(9,527 posts)He needs wins and more specifically wins that resulted in net pledged delegate gains.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)All of them. He then emerges about 153 delegates behind. Then, the rest of my post is correct.
See also my response to Post #50.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Fresh off of his big wins on Saturday, Bernie Sanders appeared on the Sunday shows to make two emphatic points about whats next in his quest to overcome what still looks like a daunting delegate lead enjoyed by Hillary Clinton. She currently leads him by around 675 delegates total pledged and un-pledged delegates together and she needs to win barely more than a third of remaining delegates to clinch the nomination, while Sanders would need two-thirds of them.
First, Sanders said on CNN that he and his campaign will try to persuade un-pledged delegates so-called super-delegates, who decide independent of the voting to flip from supporting Clinton to supporting him instead, on the grounds that he is the more electable candidate in November.
He is no longer trying to win the most votes from Democrats.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)firebrand80
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