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On MTP, Bernie said he didn't have to win NY (Original Post) firebrand80 Apr 2016 OP
He needs a vacation. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #1
bern enid602 Apr 2016 #33
I hear Rome is nice this time of year n/t HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #53
1)Finish the primary calendar behind in every metric. 2) ????????? 3) Victory!!!111 CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #2
LOL nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #6
Here's the detailed explanation brooklynite Apr 2016 #54
+ 1. That was my inspiration! nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #57
he can be president of his local rotary club, but not the USA if he loses NY. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #3
Confident enough to keep the donations flowing firebrand80 Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author firebrand80 Apr 2016 #4
Convincing the Super Ds to switch from the winner to the loser! MoonRiver Apr 2016 #5
Be sure to catch my OP later today on how simple but important it is to phonebank. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #7
I think I can get a date with Serena Williams firebrand80 Apr 2016 #9
Yanno, your posts stand out as what they are, but they don't gain a single vote for Clinton. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #20
Can we double with Venus? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #39
Will the BernieBros be the only campaign phone banking in NY? CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #24
No the HillaryHags will probably be as well berningman Apr 2016 #51
Jury Results hardluck Apr 2016 #56
He's going to get 113% of the vote in California. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #10
Is it too late to get CA residency? firebrand80 Apr 2016 #12
He could tie in NY, MD, PA and NJ and still reach a majority of pledged delegates. morningfog Apr 2016 #11
That's the same margin he won by in NH firebrand80 Apr 2016 #14
But not mathematically eliminated or mathematically impossible. morningfog Apr 2016 #18
Mathematically it's possible for the SDs to flip to him firebrand80 Apr 2016 #25
Not that you give a flying fuck, but you really do not Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #35
Revolution !!!!!*** (*** except for those people) uponit7771 Apr 2016 #40
His supporters are not stupid, Hillary et al's assertion notwithstanding. morningfog Apr 2016 #36
mathematically it's possible he could win California with 100% of the vote. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17
I don't disagree. Mathematical possibility and political possibility are different questions. morningfog Apr 2016 #19
in mathematical terms, no, in political terms yes. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
If it happens, it is likely to be on June 7. morningfog Apr 2016 #32
yes. once California goes off the board, the race is over one way or the other nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #41
What else can he say? He has to keep trying MineralMan Apr 2016 #13
True, but the people actually believe him firebrand80 Apr 2016 #15
That's really neither here nor there. MineralMan Apr 2016 #22
He's grifting at this point. Codeine Apr 2016 #16
I don't know. He has plenty of money, really, right now. MineralMan Apr 2016 #23
Jury results, courtesty of Juror #2: DeadLetterOffice Apr 2016 #34
Well said, as always, MineralMan (n/t) PJMcK Apr 2016 #29
Yes... I hear there some things coming out about Clinton that will cause her Fawke Em Apr 2016 #26
Hear that from Breitbart or Daily Caller? Codeine Apr 2016 #28
Finally! The Frog Walk. Thank God. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #42
turn off Limbaugh nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #46
Hah, that is a fun one to play with Tarc Apr 2016 #27
Super delegates would have to massively flip to support Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #30
If Hillary loses New York, even by .01, delegates are going to start flipping Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #31
He needs a tight loss (less than 5 points) in NY plus... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #37
Yep. He has to pretty much run the board: narrow loses (if any) and the rest big wins. morningfog Apr 2016 #43
would getting out of April down 150 or less require a big win somewhere? DrDan Apr 2016 #50
You are correct, sir. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #59
But that doesn't get him to being down by only 160 pledged delegates. mythology Apr 2016 #55
On second look, you're correct. Sanders needs 55% of the vote in NY and the Apr 26 primaries. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #58
Sanders’s plan to win nomination by flipping super-delegates Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #38
He is scamming... pandr32 Apr 2016 #44
When did he say this? lunamagica Apr 2016 #45
On Meet the Press on Sunday firebrand80 Apr 2016 #47
Thanks! lunamagica Apr 2016 #52
a good sign for the good guys - excuses already - a full week+ before the primary DrDan Apr 2016 #48
He's beginning to show the strain--mental fatigue. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #49
Keep swiping that card. -nt- chascarrillo Apr 2016 #60
 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
2. 1)Finish the primary calendar behind in every metric. 2) ????????? 3) Victory!!!111
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

That's what I suspect the Sadners campaign whiteboard looks like.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. he can be president of his local rotary club, but not the USA if he loses NY.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

doesn't sound very confident, does he?

Response to firebrand80 (Original post)

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
7. Be sure to catch my OP later today on how simple but important it is to phonebank.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

Phonebanking for dummies.

I think we can win NY state.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
20. Yanno, your posts stand out as what they are, but they don't gain a single vote for Clinton.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

Similarly Hillary stands out as what she is and she won't do a single thing for you.

Cheers.

hardluck

(639 posts)
56. Jury Results
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:56 PM
Apr 2016

HillaryHags is rude and over the top. 'hags' is a nasty term and this poster is calling fellow members including women 'hags' Please consider a hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:53 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a rude comments. Show it so everyone can identify the person who make such poor comments. I don't believe in censoring.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Bernie Bros is sexist and if that is allowed then it's only fair Hillary Hags is also allowed!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sorry, I agree with alert, this is over-the-top rude.
"Bro" is generally a positive term.
The one used in this post is not.
Hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Close vote. The HillaryHags was in response to the BernieBros comment. I hate the "hags" comment but do not find it was rude or over the top, given the context, nor do i find it directed at a "fellow member."

On a separate note, I cannot wait for the election to be over as I hate this in-fighting. I'd vote for any democrat over trump any day, no matter who it is...
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: tit for tat. The whole series of comments should be dumped.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
11. He could tie in NY, MD, PA and NJ and still reach a majority of pledged delegates.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

For math purposes, just keep in mind, if he rolls into June 7 needing 60% of the pledged delegates, that is mathematically attainable and even plausible if CA is breaking for him.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
18. But not mathematically eliminated or mathematically impossible.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

Math. Hillary will not mathematically eliminate Bernie through the entirety of the voting primary. She will not secure 2,383 pledged delegates.

Political possibility and likelihood are separate questions.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
25. Mathematically it's possible for the SDs to flip to him
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

He has no obligation to admit defeat before the convention, but at what point do you owe it to your supporters to be honest?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
36. His supporters are not stupid, Hillary et al's assertion notwithstanding.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

We know damn well that it is next to none that he surpasses her in the pledged delegate count.

That is his only viable path, to secure the pledged delegate majority. I support him staying until one of them secure 2,026 pledged delegates.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. mathematically it's possible he could win California with 100% of the vote.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

at some point this becomes "so you're telling me there's a chance"

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. I don't disagree. Mathematical possibility and political possibility are different questions.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary will not eliminate Bernie through the pledged delegate process.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. in mathematical terms, no, in political terms yes.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

as soon as Clinton clinches a majority of pledged delegates (assuming that happens), she declares victory, the media declares her the winner, Obama endorses her, Elizabeth Warren endorses her, Al Gore endorses her, etc etc.

That's exactly what happened in 2008 when Obama had clinched both the pledged delegate majority and the overall majority including pledged and super delegates.



MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. What else can he say? He has to keep trying
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

to get his voters to the polls. If he admits he can't get the majority of pledged delegates, the race is over. Is there a theoretical way he could win without New York? Yes. Is there a practical way? No.

It's a campaign. He needs his voters to show up. He will keep claiming he can win until it becomes impossible for him to win, even theoretically.

We will know for certain by the end of April, for all practical purposes.

I know this, though: The superdelegates will not vote to make the person with fewer pledged delegates the nominee. That absolutely will not happen. Bernie has to go to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates if he hopes to get the nomination.

So, he has to keep claiming that there is a path to that outcome. If he cannot, he's done and will have to admit it.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. That's really neither here nor there.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

What some people believe does not add up to pledged delegates. There are more primary elections in April. He needs good wins in those. It doesn't look like he'll get them, as far as I can see.

His path to the nomination is getting narrower and narrower, and now is on the edge of a steep cliff. Any misstep along the route will end in disaster for him.

New York is next. I'll be watching on the morning of the 20th for the results. Then, a week later, I"ll be watching for more results. It is the actual results in those primary elections that matter. Nothing else really does.

Candidates say all sorts of things. Some of those things are true. Others are more questionable. They're candidates and need voters to turn out and vote.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
23. I don't know. He has plenty of money, really, right now.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:38 AM
Apr 2016

Enough, at least, to get him through April. What he needs is votes, and confidence is important in getting those. So, he's trying to promote confidence in his chances. That's Campaign Strategy 101.

I wouldn't expect anything else from any candidate. When he can no longer instill confidence in his supporters and recruit new ones, the race is over. As long as there is a theoretical way for him to go to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates, I think he'll keep trying.

As observers, we may see things differently, though. I don't have a primary or caucus coming up. Mine's over. I'm an observer at this point.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
34. Jury results, courtesty of Juror #2:
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016
On Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:39 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

He's grifting at this point.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1704832

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I don't think calling one of our candidates a "grifter" belongs on du. Rude and over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:46 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is an ugly thing to say and untrue, but too softly spoken to rate a hide.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: As a Bernie supporter: Yes it's rude but not hide-worthy. Candidates have been called much worse here, repeatedly. Argue with the poster in the thread.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Pot meet kettle.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously? Hillary is called much worse here every single day. I'm not hiding this, it's a comment on a politician, not a deity
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I confess my decision is a bit personal. If there's one thing my choice ain't - it's a grifter.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh, candidates here get called far, far worse than "grifter".

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
26. Yes... I hear there some things coming out about Clinton that will cause her
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

support to erode faster than ice during climate change.

Hang onto your hats folks.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
30. Super delegates would have to massively flip to support Sanders
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

Super delegates are not going to be supporting Sanders in the numbers needed for Sanders to be the nominee without winning New York by double digits

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
31. If Hillary loses New York, even by .01, delegates are going to start flipping
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

You can't keep losing and remain viable.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
37. He needs a tight loss (less than 5 points) in NY plus...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

... either close wins or close losses (1 or 2%) in the Apr 26 primaries (CT, DE, MD, PA, RI). If he gets out of April down by less than 150 delegates, he'll need huge wins in IN, WV, MT, NM, and ND; significant wins (~5%) in KY, OR. If he splits CA and NJ with Clinton, he stands a chance.

All of that must play out -- ALL OF IT -- or he's done.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
50. would getting out of April down 150 or less require a big win somewhere?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

60+ swings are not that easy to come by

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
59. You are correct, sir.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

Starting in MAY, he'd need:

80% in IN
50% in Guam
75% in WV
55% in KY, OR, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico
50% in CA
80% in MT
50% in NJ
65 % in NM
75% in SD

Then, if the takes 100% of Washington DC, he still loses by about 5 delegates. (If HRC wins NY with 55%, he needs yet another 50 delegates)

This ain't gonna be easy for him.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
55. But that doesn't get him to being down by only 160 pledged delegates.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

He needs wins and more specifically wins that resulted in net pledged delegate gains.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
58. On second look, you're correct. Sanders needs 55% of the vote in NY and the Apr 26 primaries.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

All of them. He then emerges about 153 delegates behind. Then, the rest of my post is correct.

See also my response to Post #50.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
38. Sanders’s plan to win nomination by flipping super-delegates
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016
Sanders’s plan to win nomination by flipping super-delegates is a long shot
Fresh off of his big wins on Saturday, Bernie Sanders appeared on the Sunday shows to make two emphatic points about what’s next in his quest to overcome what still looks like a daunting delegate lead enjoyed by Hillary Clinton. She currently leads him by around 675 delegates total — pledged and un-pledged delegates together — and she needs to win barely more than a third of remaining delegates to clinch the nomination, while Sanders would need two-thirds of them.

First, Sanders said on CNN that he and his campaign will try to persuade un-pledged delegates — so-called “super-delegates,” who decide independent of the voting — to flip from supporting Clinton to supporting him instead, on the grounds that he is the more electable candidate in November.

He is no longer trying to win the most votes from Democrats.
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