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George II

(67,782 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:00 PM Apr 2016

Weaver on MSNBC with Tamron Hall:

"No one is going to go to the Convention with a majority of pledged delegates".

Does he understand math at all? There is an odd number of pledged delegates, and ALL will be selected prior to the Convention. So, even if it's 2026 to 2025, ONE of the two will have a majority of pledged delegates. So how can he sit there and state (he's done this more than once), that "No one is going to go to the Convention with a majority of pledged delegates"?

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Weaver on MSNBC with Tamron Hall: (Original Post) George II Apr 2016 OP
apparently the Sanders campaign thinks they're still in the Senate where you need 60% geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
Maybe Tad Decline and The Dream Weaver are planning a filibuster. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #2
Devine helped craft super-delegate system. This year, he's going to lobby for counting birds. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #13
You mean Tad Decline./nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #14
My suggestion would be "Tad DeSwine." CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #19
As time goes by he sounds more and more like his father (who I loved when I was growing up)! George II Apr 2016 #18
HAHAHA!!! Good one. George II Apr 2016 #6
Is that an exact quote? morningfog Apr 2016 #3
Yes. George II Apr 2016 #7
I'd like to see the video. Obviously that is an inaccurate statement. morningfog Apr 2016 #10
Sheesh. you guys are hilarious. revbones Apr 2016 #4
I know what I heard. I won't attempt to subjectively interpret it. George II Apr 2016 #8
Sure. Own that misunderstanding. Wear it proudly. rofl. nt revbones Apr 2016 #11
I don't own it at all, but Jeff Weaver owns his inane comment. George II Apr 2016 #32
they need to look up the description of majority in the party rules Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #23
Is there some kind of prize for Weavers 1000th derp moment? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #5
Yeah, second place! CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #9
Cut him some slack. I suspect Tad Devine has been drinking a lot lately. Like, a LOT. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #12
He one of Hillary's best vote getters. He is vicious, arrogant and a liar to boot. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #15
I think you are confused kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #16
You need 2383 delegates to win the nomination. If she doesn't have that it is going to the jillan Apr 2016 #17
The definition of a majority is 50% plus 1. The 2383 number LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #24
The DNC rules state 2383 is needed to win. They DO NOT state that the majority wins. jillan Apr 2016 #25
I have no problem with the rules. Tad is making the case for Bernie LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #26
And THAT is the crux of the argument. Tad/Jeff/Bernie are whining that the superdelegates.... George II Apr 2016 #34
She'll have a lot more than that. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30
Then there won't be a problem, as long as they are pledged delegates. jillan Apr 2016 #31
See #34. George II Apr 2016 #35
WTF was wrong with Tamron? I never yelled at my kids w/ so much anger as she yelled at Jeff. jillan Apr 2016 #20
omfg, ... this shit is starting to look scary... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #21
Your forgetting PLEO Delegates jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 #22
In the past the reason the number of unpledged PLEOs has changed was because of a change.... George II Apr 2016 #27
The math is clear here Gothmog Apr 2016 #28
The math is CRYSTAL clear n/t DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #29
Jeff gives the impression of being a bit slow, not to say obtuse. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #33
 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
13. Devine helped craft super-delegate system. This year, he's going to lobby for counting birds.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

And every bird will be equal to 1000 super-delegates, so Bernie wins!!1111111

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
4. Sheesh. you guys are hilarious.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:04 PM
Apr 2016

You know he means the number required to get the nomination. And it looks like neither candidate will have scored that number in pledged delegates alone before the convention.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
23. they need to look up the description of majority in the party rules
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

But let them go on, it's a bit entertaining.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
16. I think you are confused
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

Weaver point is that neither campaign is going to the convention with enough PLEDGED for majority. Thus they will need the unpledged delegates to win and these people can change their mind during the convention, and that is what he is alluding to in terms of contested convention.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
17. You need 2383 delegates to win the nomination. If she doesn't have that it is going to the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

Convention.

DUH!

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
24. The definition of a majority is 50% plus 1. The 2383 number
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:43 PM
Apr 2016

Is the threshold required for the nomination. To say that neither will have the majority is inaccurate and fudges the political importance of having the majority of pledged delegates going into the convention. Tad is trying to negate the importance of a majority because he doesn't think his campaign is going to achieve it.

They are trying to sell the notion of heads up polling versus the GOP, which they are free to do but is unlikely to be persuasive enough to win enough supers.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
25. The DNC rules state 2383 is needed to win. They DO NOT state that the majority wins.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

These were the rules when Hillary threw her hat in the ring.

If she or her supporters have a problem with the rules, well what can I say?

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
26. I have no problem with the rules. Tad is making the case for Bernie
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

To win enough superdelegates even if Hillary ends up with more pledged delegates than Bernie. TAD is making the case to usurp the nomination via superdelegates regardless of whether pledged and popular are in Hillary's favor.

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. And THAT is the crux of the argument. Tad/Jeff/Bernie are whining that the superdelegates....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

....should vote with the will of the people of their states.

If Clinton has "more" (I'll stay away from using majority, even though Jeff did this morning) pledged delegates than Sanders, then it would be obvious that she'll wind up with more superdelegates than Sanders.

This isn't even math, it's simple deductive reasoning and logic:

If A is greater than B, and C is divided in proportion to the size of A and B, then A + >50% of C will STILL be greater than B + <50% of C.

I think Jeff should go back to selling comic books, it's a lot simpler than running a slipshod presidential campaign and Tad should rethink the way he helped set up the Democratic Party supedelegate scheme years ago.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
20. WTF was wrong with Tamron? I never yelled at my kids w/ so much anger as she yelled at Jeff.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

I thought she was going to pop a blood vessel.

So much for professionalism.

jimmy_crack_corn

(79 posts)
22. Your forgetting PLEO Delegates
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

Not Necessarily true

"Unpledged PLEO delegates should not be confused with pledged PLEOs. Under Rule 9.C, the pledged PLEO slots are allocated to candidates based on the results of the primaries and caucuses.[4] Another difference between pledged PLEOs and unpledged PLEOs is that there is a fixed number of pledged PLEO slots for each state, while the number of unpledged PLEOs can change during the campaign. Pledged PLEO delegates are not generally considered superdelegates."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

For more details on Delegate types and breakdown by state see:
http://frontloading.blogspot.com/p/2016-democratic-delegate-allocation.html

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. In the past the reason the number of unpledged PLEOs has changed was because of a change....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

...of status of the delegate due death, resignation from office, mid-year election, etc.

By the way, in 2008 Senator Joseph Lieberman, who won election under the "Connecticut for Lieberman" Party, was not a superdelegate, so the status of Bernie Sanders as a superdelegate may still be up in the air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
33. Jeff gives the impression of being a bit slow, not to say obtuse.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:13 PM
Apr 2016

I suspect someone else at St. Bern HQ is in charge of the math.

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