... this is needed around here folk then gone crazy

that makes you a fucking genius.

He, like Hillary Clinton, voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

That vote disqualifies a politician from the presidency, in my book. Inexcusably bad judgment with horrific consequences.

or a spaceship lands and wants to take the very best the human race has to offer back to their planet to study, and they take Bernie.

You are left with Hillary or a right wing bigot asshole.

Those are the choices if Bernie loses.

And yes, I hope Bernie wins, but just in case...

Sad you demur from that assessment.

I find this one, the most interesting:

"Obama and Clinton disagreed at first over whether to intervene in Libya. Obama wanted to stay out. Clinton favored going in (and Vice President Joe Biden said she "just wants to be Golda Meir&quot ."

http://www.newsweek.com/obama-atlantic-cover-story-best-parts-435712

The person must be a natural-born citizen of the United States and must have been a permanent resident of the United States of America for at least 14 years. Each candidate must be at least 35 years of age.

Kinda stupid that media started this whole horse race bullshit thing. It is distraction that too many people want to focus on because small minds buy into it. That what whole two party system in American is about is to distract small minded people to think "me um hate other cause other is different" Then they have them focus on things like abortion,gay rights. etc while ignoring corruption that is destroying our country from with in.

Maybe he should try to peddle his manure to the millions of people who have been hamstrung by the bankruptcy law Joe championed that reserves bankruptcy for corporations and denies it to working people.

Screw Biden

But I would prefer that neither of those two corrupt war-mongers occupies the Oval Office.

I will smoke another cigar in your honor.

foreign policy. I'd like to suggest that Sanders' lack of involvement stems as much from that as any special virtue.

Sanders notably has never been accused (so far) of lacking whatever degree of ruthlessness is needed in a president. It was striking last week that, for instance, he seemed to leave the door open for torture during that infamous interview ("get as much information out of him, get information out of him" - said of captured terrorists).

Things like support for the gun manufacturer against the parents of murdered children and shipping radioactive waste to the village of Sierra Blanca suggest that Bernie's ethics are not nearly so sterling as his supporters want to imagine.

President Obama campaigned on fixing America, but he's actually spent a lot of his time "killing terrorists like swatting mosquitoes" according to a terrorism expert, or as Obama once mused ruefully, "I'm really good at killing people."

I don't think you should assume your current image of Sanders would survive even a couple months in the White House. It also should not survive your decision-making process now. Vote for him, but do it well informed and with your eyes wide open.

story at 11:00!

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/10/20/Obama-administration-urges-no-bankruptcy-relief-for-student-debt/5671445359254/

BOSTON, Oct. 20 (UPI) -- The Obama administration moved to block a bankruptcy court from erasing federal student loan debt, saying such an allowance would jeopardize the fiscal stability of the loan program.

U.S. Department of Education attorneys, intervening in the case of a 65-year-old man seeking to erase his student loans in bankruptcy, filed a motion urging the court to stand firm with borrowers who claim they are in a dire financial situation. Attorneys argued that Robert Murphy of Massachusetts, unemployed and of retirement age, has plenty of chances to go back to work or hit the jackpot.

he will be close to the top of the list of people who have hurt the most people for the longest

when his ilk are shunned by democrats we will be a better party

He's a vigorous and persuasive campaigner and he's hammered the formerly ceremonial office of President of the Senate into a powerful position that has turned Republican obstruction in the Senate against itself.

Unless he wants to retire, I expect him to be the first person either of the two candidates approaches, to continue his job as the most important Vice President in American history.

(Yeah, Dick Cheney ran the White House--but only for four years. After that Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld maneuvered him out to pasture and other evil geniuses continued to destroy America in GWB's name. Joe Biden has shepherded at least five Democratic budget proposals to passage (or rather, "continuance&quot without Democratic control of Congress, something which may never again be repeated without his efforts.)

put a 'Clinton for president' lapel pin on his suit,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon, who is neutral in the race." The Hill

Biden, President Obama, and hundreds of her colleagues.

Btw, VP Biden is very serious about his work leading a national mission, a "moon shot," to discover a cure for cancer. It's happening. Of course, if we were to lose the presidency, and presumably the Senate with it, then the mission would have to continue on after 2016 without the enormous resources a progressive White House would commit.

trying to knock Hillary off the ticket myself, but that's as far as I go in understanding the emotional needs of personality cultists.

That being said his vote on the bankruptcy bill and the IWR were not good. But nobody is perfect.

to get along with people and build relationships across the aisle are highly desirable, and I approved attempts to achieve half-loaves in that era; but it seemed to me that sometimes he went along to get along just too much, leading to a betrayal of core principles and those of us who still held them. Notably, Republican senators of that era never followed him left, much less too far left. Perhaps VP Biden has toughened and wised up with age, though.

Like you, I've certainly never forgotten.

When Clarence Thomas said "this is the high tech lynching of an uppity black man..." he knew what he was doing and he knew it would have a chilling effect on his detractors.

Bernie is looking more and more puny every day.

Why does he have even a shred of credibility about anybody's qualifications?

millionaires and billionaires, yes she is.

Rich and that is the only qualification they care about.

I never hear about Bush/Cheney any more. It's disturbing.

Sharpton: Sanders no different than Clinton on ’94 crime bill. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275819-sharpton-sanders-no-different-than-clinton-on-94-crime

Thanks for the Biden story.

Isn't there a filter that prevents this sort of thread from displaying?

Joe 'Bankruptcy Bill' Biden. He has agreed with the Clintons on many things I have very strongly disagreed with them on. DOMA yes voters have no credibility with me at all.