You sure are desperate to squeeze every last moment of advantage out of this one...

If you were contributing one iota to a discussion of what would benefit Democrats I would respect your opinion. You are not and I do not.

when considering who to vote for in a presidential election? It is certainly relevant in this regard.

You've been working overtime to make that point. Many of us are just fine with Bernie and his staff arranging appearances as they see fit.

Do you feel that Hillary is making a mistake every time she has another big money donors event even though it unfortunately affirms her affinity for the one percenters?

Washington and doesn't speak in sound bites with no substance, or make empty promises?

no doubt one thing drawing some voters to her.

An American presidential candidate shoehorning himself into a conference far, far away, his attention-seeking remarks sandwiched in before a shortened coffee break. That's worth a chuckle, and I'm guessing the 10 minutes won't overtax the conferees' senses of humor at the situation.

It's not awful, it might work. I'm just glad it's not Hillary doing it.

It's never worth settling for LESS than half a loaf. If you get less than half, you're never going to get the rest of the loaf later.

And voting for trade agreements and wars are such good judgment.

conference. Hell, Obama just said Libya was the worst mistake of his administration.

The Quadrennial "Ending Welfare As We Know It While Repealing Glass Steagall to Help Banksters" Symposium should be coming up any year now. Right after the Papal Invitational Golf Tournament for the Benefit of Goldman Sachs.

Good one, Katashi_itto!

Time to let this one go already.

1950HP on dyno!

He does have a good view of economic strategies that are more moral than the way we live now. Once he can figure out how to implement his ideas, he will make a great candidate.

10 minutes would be a very basic speech willout going into any real depth on anything at all.

He'll deliver his standard speech ...we have heard it ad infinitum this campaign...nothing new here

Hillary losing day of campaigning for fundraiser with elites in CA on same day?

Its OK - Hill will have fun pressing elbows and peddling influence in the Bay Area.

Makes sense I guess...to some.

9 hours to fly to Rome (including stuff like boarding the plane and taxiing on the runway). 6 hour time difference.

So, if he boards the plane at midnight (which he won't--it's not like getting dropped off in front of a bus stop), he lands in Rome at 3:00 PM. At 3:00 PM he's on a runway at the airport. By 4:00 PM he's going to get off the plane, through the airport including immigration and then onto a car, and make it to the Vatican, and through the Vatican security for a 4:00 conference (I'm sure late afternoon traffic in Rome will be a breeze).

Expedia & Kayak are the end of all in international travel after all.

But I won't give another chew toy

and he'll be just fine.

6 hour time difference.

then factor in everything else that takes time when traveling, like ground transportation, immigration, navigating the airport.

debate ends at 11:00 PM eastern time. 11 hours before his speaking slot.

I am sure they would be amazed to learn about such a thing.

If he lands at 3 pm, it won't have to spend an hour at the airport. Private charters are generally handled much more quickly than commercial flights. And in fact, he may not even need to leave the airport to get transportation to the Vatican... the Vatican has a heliport.

which is more than originally indicated. Hope all 30 people listen intently.

tu quoque fallacy about something Hillary Clinton did?

Your candidate is a miserable sourpuss who doesn't take advice, doesn't listen to anyone but himself, and is so convinced that he's always correct that he has draped himself in morality as if he invented it.

Now, if you feel that such a truth is too hard for you to bear, by all means, bring up something unrelated about Hillary Clinton to sooth your sore feelings.

and shaming us for "not doing our research". We grew up with the internet and education to teach us how to use it to find reliable news & sources. She's angry that we don't rely on deceitful, self-serving cable news pundits like the older generations do.

She also did a great job ignoring advice of state dept. lawyers to push Obama to allow immunity for rebels in Libya. Ignoring State dept. advice warning her about device security for her blackberry during tensure as SoS. Ignoring congressional committee questions on her email server until after she stepped down as SoS. Ignoring Berta Cáceres and other Hondurans begging her not to support the coup (Berta Cáceres was later murdered after). Ignoring the pleas of her constituents to vote against the war in Iraq. Ignoring the pleas of poor mothers of color to vote down the bankruptcy bill after pretending to listen to them. Not going on further.

She can "listen" plenty, but it doesn't matter if the advice doesn't stick or she flat out ignores it.

And speaking before a break in entertainment world is generally considered 'head liner'?

You completely miss the point. Which isn't surprising.

I'm sure they couldnt afford to pay her fees.

The pope won't be voting for Hillary.

I hope he doesn't forget where he is.

Even re-arranged the schedule to accommodate him!

they're giving him an out to cancel

New meme: THEY DONT WANT HIM THERE!

Good lord.

11 hours after the debate ends on Thursday night.

the debate ends at 5:00 AM, local time in Rome.

POPEGATE!

I hope there's no snipers at the airport in Rome...

Or are you just throwing shit at the wall with plans to ignore it when it comes to fruition?

I stand corrected.

Bernie will never match that.

Give it some thought.

Gotta love the contrast...

... I called this one last week ....

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It takes a big person.

His plane will land in Rome 15 hours after it lifts off in NY.

So, if he leaves from the debate to the airport, maybe he leaves at 12:00 midnight, that puts him in Rome--on the runway--around 3:00.

From the runway, he has to clear immigration and get into a car--and drive all the way from FCO to the Vatican, clearing security etc, within 1 hour.

Not happening.

Averaging 500mph. Flying from west to east you normally get a great boost in the form of a tailwind. I bet he makes the flight in 7 1/2 hours. Even so, when you are talking a US Senator and the Vatican, an hour is plenty of time to get through Customs and get to the Vatican from FCO.

Your math doesn't quite add up.

On average. Average means some flights take longer some shorter. And the trip from FCO to Vatican City is not close to an hour.

And, let's back this up again.

He's giving up a full day campaigning in a do-or-die state, plus conservatively $200K in private funds (campaign can't even pay for trip to the airport) for a ten minute pep talk at an academic conference on Catholic theology.

You've invented a route that takes 6 extra hours.

Guessing you're not a travel agent.

When the debate ends at 11:00 PM in Brooklyn, it will be 5:00 AM local time in Rome.

Figure one hour to get out of the debate and into a plane. That puts you at 12:00 AM NYC time and 6:00 AM Rome time.

9 hour plane ride gets him into Rome at 9:00 AM US time and 3:00 PM Rome time.

From the airport, he has one hour to get to the conference location inside the Vatican (presumably this will be within the walls).

A sitting U.S senator.

Thanks for clarifying your timeline.


***edited to clarify myself, IF your math is right (I'm not spending any time on it), an hour is certainly tight, but doable.

it pushes the physically possible if Sanders flies out in a private jet, with zero incidents en route.

Though probably they could manage to bump "coffee break" if he's running late

"His plane will land in Rome 15 hours after it lifts off in NY."

Incorrect.

I see what you meant now, but I'm still not wasting my time checking your math.

local time at place of departure at time of departure, I could have made that clearer.

At least Bernie won't have to plead the 5th in his speech.

10 minutes, what's that, like 2% of the stump speech? Not sure how Sadners will adapt.

You sure have a a lot of five cent "predicshuns"! Not worth five cents, of course.

FIFY

If this upsets you, the following video might be helpful.

moguls for a 10 minute speech?

Hmmmmm?

Private jet
Presidential suite in a five-star hotel
Cases of designer water
Business-class airfare for her hangers-on
All meals
And a stenographer to take notes for secret transcripts

And apparently, she's added a white-noise machine.

That would cost the Vatican a minimum of what $25,000 - $30,000 if it were Hillary Clinton according to her Goldman Sachs speaking fees.

.....not that it WILL be, but it could be if any were so inclined.

Also... I'm getting the impression that while Bernie supporters are donating, phone banking, canvassing, etc., Hillary supporters are researching the ins and outs of this conference morning, noon and night (checking flight schedules, carefully combing through conference programs, thinking about potential health concerns for Bernie, etc.). Bizarre.

Batshit insane.

They're more fired up about #popegate than they are healthcare.

Batshit insane.

They're more fired up about #popegate than they are healthcare.

Sounding very childish, PTBL.

Jeffrey Sachs gets a full half hour.

It's obvious that St. Bern will be the highlight of the two-day affair.

What a put down. The potential next US Pres. flies nearly 10,000 miles round trip to give an after-thought 10 min. mini-speech.

Gets to stay home. She is not qualified to speak at the Vatican. Not for even 10 seconds.

Especially at his age.

but this obsession about tearing down a good man going to an important conference has ratcheted it up to yet another level of loathesome.

congrats to you. you have done your candidate proud

manage to drain a little more out of the pool"

applies well here

... Inviting himself to fly out of the country two days before a crucial primary and speak for ten minutes at a coffee break to theologians.

"The evil witch used her connections at the Vatican to lure Bernie over there, thus wasting valuable campaign time1!1!" or something to that affect.

BOOK.

IT.

10 minutes is plenty to give a talk - and the chance to be at this symposium with people who care deeply about things Sanders cares about - and exchange ideas and participate in discussion is a tremendous honor.

But those with tiny minds, no curiosity about real issues and nothing particularly inspiring to discuss about their candidate - I guess mocking someone for speaking - for 10 MINUTES - is the meme of the day!

Lots of luck to you all.

but it would only matter if hrh was going. she could get a drive by wave and it would be touted as a major "accomplishment"

Lack of reproductive choice and lack of access to reproductive services are major contributing factors to poverty.

"Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.” ~Christopher Hitchens

Oh, plus they sit on a mountain of wealth.

Think of all of those coffee vendors that are hurt by Bernie cutting in to 10 minutes of the break! Also Bernie is forcing workers to wait 10 minutes until their break! I trusted him, but now I am completely won over.

It actually appears that he's part of an afternoon block of discussion and speeches. Most only have 15min to respond to the singular topic, with discussion blocks surrounding it. It looks like he will get to share a specific speech on the broader subject of discussion within that block. I think this is wonderful for him and those of us that feel economic and social justice is of urgent import right now. I hope it gets some attention here in the states, because I truly believe that we need to make significant and immediate strides in these areas, along with environmental changes if we are to have any future at all.