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how many arms did he have to twist to wrangle that spot?

to get Sanders that spot retroactively after that stunt splattered crap all over his campaign.

The servers would do well to just start pre-preparing the cups a few minutes ahead of the break time--the attendees can swig it down and race to the loo!

although since Sachs has already screwed the Academy by inserting partisan politics, he might make them all sit and wait for Sanders…

"NOBODY MOVE, Sanders is on his way from the airport, but he's stuck in traffic"

the main talks are 30 minutes.

Bernie's is 10 minutes. It was squeezed out of what was originally scheduled to be a coffee break.

He's clearly a last minute addition and something of an interloper.

If you are honest enough, can you step back from this and think about it for a bit? Is this really the fight you want to have and be a part of? Does it give you pride?

There are so many larger issues at stake, and you're part of a team that is wasting time trying to tear someone down because of 10 min vs. 15? Do you see the larger picture here? There has been a concerted effort to belittle this speaking engagement no matter what, and the reasons have been somewhat ridiculous - and just one after another.

You may enjoy being part of a team doing that (and I really hope you don't after stepping back and reflecting), but I think many see right through it.

This is a big deal and that's just the way it is.

and again, and again, and again

...and I still don't understand it. If this is not facilitating his nomination process (and a 10 min speech to a group of academics doesn't fit that definition), then I question the political judgement of him and his advisers.

your INVITED TO SPEAK at the Vatican and you say what, nah I've got better things to do?

PLEASE - that is so disingenuous!

there are people to whom political calculation does not fit into every breath they take.

Bernie cares about this stuff in the depths of his soul. This invite is a great honor.

Not everyone is always just angling for the next "main chance." in everything they do.

this are being willfully obtuse.

Taking a day off from the campaign trail to do something that is personally important.

He should have approached HER directly. He might have gotten a civil reception.

No one likes to be gamed, or used. Not Lady Archer, and not the Pope.

I can't see how this could possibly hurt him.

because he said he would be speaking at the convention, but he was not showing up on the program. I almost asked you about the possibility of them updating the program, but figured that would be pushing you too far. But they did, and he was not lying, and you are still being pissy about it.

You are so wrapped up in this...anger...over his going there, it makes me wonder just what is behind your emotion.

Not just you...everyone who is having a fit over him going to the convention.

I really don't understand it.

...except when they're running for President.

Says something about one's character.

I'd feel the same way if Hillary decided to take a couple of days off when her grandchild is born

It's the EPITOME of political calculation and pandering.

I wonder how much in bribery it took to rearrange the schedule to get Sanders a speaking slot before coffee break after this stunt blew up all over his empty suit.

he was not even actually invited, he's just "showing up" for the press coverage!



LOL - where are all the boneheads spewing their crap now?

to other networks.

That network has the imprimatur of the Vatican--and the backing of all those VATICAN LAWYERS--all over it.

If they try stealing the feed I would not be surprised if they're sued blue.

and do that.

I hope he thinks it was worth his while. I will say he's demonstrated that he doesn't understand American Catholics at all.

*Meet With Pope*

in there, somewhere...

in every calculated step she/they take.

Its OK - there is no wonder you don't get it.

talk about cultish behavior..

just before an enormous portion of American Catholics go to the polls to vote.

You can't be serious.

He speaks with passion about poverty and talks about labor and wages in moral terms.

Concerns about economic injustice/ moral economy are very dear to his heart.

It might behoove him to actually read the document he's going to the Vatican to speak about. It has some unflattering things to say about his ideology.

Taking an opportunity to decry the ills of the capitalism and the global economy, and to advance his vision of social justice.

Must be a real barnburner. I wonder if he is accounting for 8 minutes of applause and standing ovations.

so wrong. Go relax before you have a hissy fit. Bad for your health.

You're being proved wrong over and over when you could've just said, 'that's great for him, and for a great cause', and moved on like an adult.

You're meeting with the pope?
Sanders: "Yup".

That's how these things tend to work.

It will probably be like what the Pope does EVERY time he turns up at these things--pose for a picture with the group.


https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/humanities-and-social-sciences/research/expertise/archive/vatican/

The part of that link, above, that is important, is this:

I'm a Hillary supporter, but we don't need this kind of attack on Sanders. He obviously misunderstood or was misinformed by staff.

I think the fact that he retains a staff let him go to an interview without really thoroughly checking into the story does contribute to the idea that Clinton is a better prospect for the presidency than he is.

which takes place in the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, only a few hundred yards from where the Pope resides.




Other notable participants are a number of South American presidents (Correa and Morales) and Jeffrey Sachs, who seems quite sympathetic to Bernie Sanders, BTW. Look at his Twitter:

it would have been treated as the second coming.

important.

It's not just about what Bernie has to say while there, it's also about him listening and engaging in discussion with people from around the world on foreign policy.

It's nice to see a representative from the U.S. go to an event to work to build community.

Am I mistaken about the times?

Not taking into account the time difference...I haven't really researched this, but it's not looking like he can make it to both events.

But it was kind of you to offer.

It's what, eight, nine hours to Rome, flying? And wouldn't he have a tail wind?

Someone must be loaning him a plane, or he's renting one, unless he's found a military hop where he can use his Congressional Propers to grab a lift.

into town by car. It's faster by train but you have to know how to go.

and this is assuming traffic, arrival and departure times don't change...a trip with no complications.

Sounds insane to me, but, who knows?

that you so obviously care nothing about?

Their so-called arguments make as much sense and are just as important in the long haul.

He'll have to fly for nine hours or so to get to Fiumicino. He will need a car waiting for him--he could take the train, might be faster, if they are not on strike (it can happen--they do PopUp strikes that last an hour or so, usually to inconvenience people into supporting their cause).

He's going to get there in time to give his speech IF there are no delays at customs or with traffic. He might miss the photo op if Francis does it in the morning (or at all).

Unless he has a donor with a supersonic aircraft....!

It would be nice to look at them side by side.

One speaking basically the message Jesus spoke regarding the poor.

And the other speaking to mammon (wealth and greed).

Go to Bernie or go to Hellary

...especially the State Parities, which will need support for the down-ballot races.

You're welcome to tell us how you "won't give a dime" to the DNC, and only give to "real progressives", but given the fond memories of Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy, explain how the money needed for voter registration, GOTV and legal protection of voters will be covered under the Sanders model.

(nb - I wouldn't have stopped to "St. Bernard" if it wasn't for your cheap shot).

I am so glad Bernie will be able to take his message worldwide.

I am also sorry that his political opponents are full of resentment against something ANY liberal/progressive should rejoice in.

I don't think you're entirely familiar with the Centesimus Annus.

I wanted to show you this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511700303

I know you're interested in veteran's issues.

I'm also familiar with Senator Sanders' absolute failure to provide oversight of the VA health system when it was collapsing in front of him and in the face of veterans and veterans organizations screaming bloody murder about it.

Could it be that Bernie is cashing in on his election to try and do the most good while he has a chance. If HRC buries him in the elections or he doesn't win the general election he could lose some of his gained clout (maybe)? So if he really cares as much as he seems to it makes sense to do this (god knows he does push himself to get the voice of his message out at rally after rally after rally). I think it could help his legitimacy to give the speech, but it seems like what it helps most is the message. He is denied media coverage over and over, it is far harder to hide his message if it is given in a world stage. I think this is a good move, it may even garner us more respect on the globe when people are confronted with such a positive message of unity and hope from the US.

at the restaurant.

What does it mean when one is given 0 minutes to speak?

in order to swing the Catholic vote.

Hillary-ous desperation: keep those epic fails comin'!

And the Pope turned down a Clinton Fdn invitation. For something that is sooo inconsequential in the first place, people sure are working hard to downplay it.

Otherwise this would simply be a very nice invitation to Senator Sanders to participate in a discussion of global poverty.

the inability to separate inventive interpretation from reality.

Thanks for the thread, GeorgiaPeanuts.

Thanks! I am sure he feels very honored and excited since this connects with his most heartfelt reasons for doing government work.

I hope they get him a private jet so he can rest well and eat and not be all cramped up.

I am pleased about this.

I don't.

If it's filthy, really petty, and full of assholery, they'll flog it like there's no tomorrow. I wish I could name them for you, but that's not permitted.

because he was just attending.....so now he'll lose election.
Wondering if he'll be too jetlagged, etc. I can't believe the Vatican threads! They should help hillary instead of worrying about Bernie. Hillary really needs it, after all the insensitivity towards blacks via her and Bill. What a week for Hillary. Now, comes the front page from the Daily News for her!

to answer a "yes or no" question without actually answering it.

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Some of them were basically calling him a liar.

And I haven't seen an apology yet. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.