Not to mention, kind of pathetic.
But then, you knew that.

Seems like an easy question to answer.

Will it affect your life more than having someone who lied that they were under sniper fire get elected? Doubt it.

I don't think team Bernie feels the need to answer these weak threads.

What's it to you?

What's it doing to Sanders' carbon footprint?

Anyone figured that for the whole 2-year American GE period alone? We could do severe campaign finance control and take a significant step to save the planet at the same time.

Next question is, who's paying for that expensive plane. Answer: his devoted donors. Little did they know they were subsidizing a trip to Italy. Oh, and is he taking Jane? Hope they post pics!

Because who's paying for a commercial flight to Europe for Bernie is a much bigger scandal?

He'll be riding the wave of tears coming from Team Hillary's collective tantrum over this issue.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but jeez, leave it alone.

It is insane the obsession with how he will get there.

It's almost sad to watch

It's great to see a Clinton supporter putting politics aside to try and help out the opponents' campaign.

...will be flying off (in her private jet) to a $350,000 per couple fundraiser in CA, while Sanders is at a social justice conference at the Vatican.

How do you like them optics?

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And all the speeches are 10-15 min. Interesting they chose him though over Hillary and the Pope snubbed her invitation back in Sep 2015.

But if such trivial matters are all you have to fill your day with, carry on.

It's almost sad watching them tie themselves in knots

if you do a package deal.

Gotta figure they checked Expedia and Egencia.

Seriously.

That's where she'll be while Sanders is at the Vatican.

First, there are charter flights available that you can use credit card points one.

Second, he WAS invited by the pope, since he was invited by the Vatican. Guess what.. if you receive an invitation to the White House, you have been invited by the President, even if the president didn't personally extend the invitation.

The Vatican invites and the Vatican IS the pope.

The Vatican is a complex bureaucracy with many moving parts which operates at many different levels. As usual in complex bureaucracies, some of the Cardinals have their own agendas. Even if he were a compulsive micro manager, and Pope Francis has shown no indications that he is, the Pope has to delegate and let other below him do their jobs. There is no indication in this case that Pope France even knew that Sanders had campaigned hard to get the invitation. He will not even attend the event and currently there are no plans for Sanders to meet with the Pope. Given the brouhaha that has been stirred up, I am betting no such meeting will occur.

Sanders was invited to a lower level scholarly conference sponsored by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. He was invited by the organization's Chancellor, Monsignor Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo. He probably doesn't understand politics well enough to know the ruckus he would be stirring up by inviting a candidate from any country who is in the middle of a campaign.

Monsignor Sorondo is a lower level functionary in the Vatican bureaucracy, there are 215 Cardinals, but Monsignors are a dime a dozen in Vatican City.

The Vatican is to the pope as the white house is to the president.

The pope is to Catholic Church as the president is to the US government.

The Vatican is HIS HOUSE. Being invited to the Vatican is being invited BY THE POPE.

And, yes, it is very VERY likely Sanders will meet the Pope at this extremely important conference on the Pope's largest subjects, upon which his entire rule has been based thus far.

The Vatican a city. The Vatican is country or more properly as City State. The Pope is technically it's bishop. The Vatican is also the governing body of the Catholic Church and the Pope is undisputed leader and, as such, is he is also the undisputed leader of the Catholic Church. Like the President, the Pope does not make or approve every decision made in the Vatican, he doesn't have the time or the scope to handle everything.

I doubt seriously whether he got involved in the decisions made by a lowly Monsignor on who to invite to a scholarly conference that he won't even attend. If he had, I can almost assure you that Senator Sanders would not have been invited. A person does not get appointed Cardinal, much less elected Pope, unless he has a firm grounding in politics, both personal and public. Pope Francis would have never made the mistake of inserting himself into a political campaign - it simply isn't done. (Note the the Monsignor is probably not well grounded in politics. He as probably already received constructive counseling.)

For that reason I doubt seriously that Pope will meet with Sanders given the present situation. Under normal circumstances it is fairly easy for a visiting dignitary to obtain an audience with the Pope; it's done all of the time. I don't think it will happen this time because that would give the further appearance that Pope Francis is trying to insert himself into an election. The church and the Pope is supposed to be above such things. Given the flap, you can rest assured that the Pope has now been briefed However, dis-inviting Sanders at this point would cause an even bigger fuss.

I suspect that Sanders will go to Rome, give his little speech, and then the meetings will continue for several days without him. The Pope will probably eventually get a report on what was discussed. He may even find time to read it.

These are the signatures issues of the Pope's papacy. To suggest that this conference is "low level" is just... well.. silly.

Second, to suggest that the Pope doesn't get involved in politics is also to ignore this Pope who came to DC to speak to congress about these VERY SUBJECTS.

Finally, you want to remove Pop Francis from the Vatican.. but you can no more do that than you can remove Obama from the White House. Obama is the commander in chief, but he is not responsible for every aspect of government, but even if he doesn't make personal decisions on who visits the White House... when you are invited to the White House, you are invited by the president, even if by proxy. Sometimes you meet him.. sometimes you don't. Depends on why you are there... but you are still being invited by the President.

The same applies to the Vatican. The Vatican is the Pope's house, city, country or not. He is the head of that entity and an invitation from that entity is an invitation from him... like it or not.

And no, the Pope won't come out and endorse a specific candidate, but he makes his wishes known when he and one certain candidate use similar language, the language the pope used when he came her and spoke to congress.

Sanders will go to Rome, give his speech at this high level conference and very likely have a quick meet and greet with the Pope before returning. It will not be a photo op, but it will happen.

They actually share many of the same values, unlike the Pope and all the other presidential candidate.

I said the Pope will not want to appear to pick sides in a political campaign - period - end of story.

Sander was invited to Vatican City, not the Pope's private residence. That's like getting invited to attend a conference in Washington DC, but not being invited to the White house; that happens all of the time.

Sanders wasn't invited by the Pope, he was invited by a lowly church functionary. If you and other Sanders supporters want to think this is a big deal, that's cool, I shouldn't care what what you guys think. It doesn't change the situation.

And again, given the controversy that has arose, I would be highly surprised if Pope Francis granted Sanders and audience on this trip. Under any other circumstances probably no problem, but this time around I don't think so. We'll see if I'm right.

And the POPE has appeared to pick sides with his words.

Sanders was invited by the Vatican, which is the Pope.

Sanders will meet the Pope.

It's just reality.

If you perhaps you will understand what I am about write: While I am now fallen away, I grew up in a Catholic home. My father was an ordained Deacon in the church, which a more serious position in the Catholic religion than in most protestant demonstrations because it requires years of study, and serious vows to the church. I graduated from a Catholic High School where I was taught the Christian Brothers and priests. There among things Catholic I learned about the Church's organization structure and how it works. My posts until now were based on that knowledge.

I also know enough to determine that you my friend are clueless on this subject.

But since you don't believe me, perhaps you would have more faith in another source, perhaps the Daily Beast:

Vatican: Pope Didn’t Invite Bernie Sanders

On Friday, Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders announced that he was “very excited” about having just received an invitation to speak at a small, invitation-only scholarly conference at the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences celebrating the 25th year anniversary of an encyclical, “Centesimus Annus,” written by Pope John Paul II on the evils of capitalism.

Francis is not expected to attend the conference, which will take place April 15 and 16 with around 30 participants, including Bolivian President Evo Morales and Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa. Francis will be traveling to Lesbos, Greece, on the 16th to shed light on the Syrian refugee crisis there.

The Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, told The Daily Beast that it wasn’t the pope who personally invited the politician. “The invitation was made on behalf of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, not by Pope Francis,” he said. “There is no expectation that the pope will meet Mr. Sanders.” He then added that he could not completely exclude the possibility, but that nothing was on the agenda at the moment.

Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, said that Sanders invited himself. “Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Archer told Bloomberg. “He may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly—not that he will.”

Not long after, Monsignor Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences stepped in to dispute Archer’s statements. “I deny that. It was not that way," Sánchez Sorondo told Reuters. “This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus.”

Sánchez Sorondo later toned down his initial comments telling CNN the invitation should not be seen as an endorsement of the senator’s nomination. “It does not signify any support of the campaign," Sánchez Sorondo said. "We want to establish a dialogue between North America and South America so we thought to invite a [U.S.] politician. The president of Bolivia will also be there. Perhaps the others [candidates] would have been interested but they did not request to come."

He also confirmed to CNN that Sanders had reached out to the Vatican first. “He has expressed an interest many times in the Pope's encyclical and it's clear that he has an interest in studying it,” Sánchez Sorondo said. “It might have that effect, but we are not looking to support the campaign."

The monsignor expressed dismay that there was such a fuss about an invitation to a conference few people would have even heard about. “I don't know what is the problem," Sánchez Sorondo told the National Catholic Reporter. "We have two presidents from Latin America, and we don't have a problem. And we have a problem because we invited one candidate to the White House of your country? It's a little impossible to understand."

All the quotes in the world doesn't change the fact that Vatican IS the pope.

All the denials in the world doesn't change the fact that on the subjects of income inequality and health care as a right ONLY Bernie Sanders and the Pope are speaking the same.

You also included the completely debunked claim that Sanders "invited himself".

Reality. This is a high level conference on the issues nearest and dearest to the Pope's heart. The Vatican (aka The Pope) invited Bernie Sanders to speak. The Pope will be there and the the Pope will meet the speakers invited to the conference to speak on his most important of topics.

All the debunked bold faced claims in the world doesn't change it.

Sorry they didn't choose "her", but maybe the Pope just doesn't respect people who get paid 225K to speak to the very people who are creating the problems he is speaking against.

his/her own little world where reality seldom intrudes. And why would it? The world is as you you have created for yourself, and you have banished reality from it. You know everything, and anyone that disagrees with you is simply wrong. Why? Because you know it is true.

Even if someone were to present you with a mountain of evidence that you are wrong in one of your pronouncements, all you have to do is continue to insist against all logic that you are right until you convince yourself.

Even if Sanders was given a one in one hundred chance of winning the nomination you would still go forth and proclaim that his victory is a certainty. And sadly, you probably think that if you wish it were hard enough, it will happen.

You don't seem to care that the person you are having a discussion with has concluded, with good justification, that you have simply lost it. Why would you bothered with that; you know you are always right.

It must be tough being you, or maybe without reality intruding you have convinced yourself that your life is grand.

With how much mis information you have given why would I care what you think of me or anything?

I know reality has gotten under your skin.


So sorry it didnt work out for you or "her".

I don't know if you're clueless or just pretending to be clueless, but in the end it doesn't matter.

So let me put it to you this way - Your candidate, Bernie Sanders is lose and lose badly. You an either start adjusting you personal "reality" now to get used to the idea or you can be shocked later. or maybe in your present state you won't even notice.

Or basic reasoning and analysis.

Good luck with that.

So sorry it didn't work out for you.

And your heroine didn't get an invitation from the pope.

Ergo , pretzel logic must be employed , despite corrections from the Popes representatives to the contrary, to show it was indeed , really the Pope ...Gods left hand man.

This is a description of the situation and what the Pope had to say about that situation:

The two ran into each other in the lobby of the pope's residence, the Domus Santa Marta hotel in the Vatican gardens,where Sanders and his wife, Jane, stayed overnight on the same floor as Francis.

"This morning when I left, Sen. Sanders was there..(in the lobby)... He knew I was leaving at that time and I had the kindness to greet him and his wife and another couple who were with them," the pope told reporters traveling back with him to the Vatican.

"When I came down, I greeted them, shook their hands and nothing more. This is good manners. It's called good manners and not getting mixed up in politics," the pope said. "If anyone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, they should see a psychiatrist."

So Sanders hung around in lobby the Hotel where the Pope lives and where he was staying because he knew the Pope would be coming through the lobby on his way to Greece. Rather than being rude and totally ignoring Sanders, Pope shock his hand and greeted him. That is not "meeting". Notice that Francis went out of his way to make this clear. This is like you hanging around somewhere where Bernie Sanders was scheduled to walk through, getting to shake his hand, and then you go back and tell your friends and tell them you "met" with Bernie Sanders.

If that is why Sanders went to Rome, he should have stayed in NY and campaigned in hopes he won't lose by more than 10%.

By the way, you proved yet again that you are totally clueless on this matter. Saint Bernie did not "meet" with the pope, he "met" the Pope.

But it wasn't supposed to happen at all. The Pope wasn't even going to be NEAR this "low level" conference.

And sorry, but if the pope did NOT wish to meet with Sanders, they EASILY could have cleared them out.

This was obviously an arranged meeting.

So sorry this didn't work out for you.

This is just sad at this point.

Fueled by nothing more than misogyny, social conservatism and the rage of the subaltern, whose democratic free will he and his campaign of white male privilege defenders are ceaselessly attempting to subvert.



btw

Probably also on a private jet.

(Incidentally, since both candidates have Secret Service protection, I imagine that it is far more practical as a matter of protective logistics to fly private than commercial. I don't begrudge either candidate for flying private at this point for that reason. But since you decided to bring it up, turnabout is fair play.)

when then-candidate Barack Obama said he supported campaign finance reform, but that he would not "unilaterally disarm" and surrender the fundraising advantage to his opponent under the campaign finance rules as they were then.

Well, we know how that turned out. After taking office and before Citizens United came down, there was very little movement on campaign finance reform. President Obama used his position to separate the DNC from lobbyist money, which temporarily helped, but was hardly enough. It was more symbolic than anything else, though persuading a Congress dependent on campaign donations to stringently regulate campaign donations was always going to be a very difficult proposition.

Then the SCOTUS issued its Citizens United ruling, which Democrats have been overeager to use ever since, to the point of DWS reversing Obama's directives regarding keeping lobbyist money out of the Democratic Party, while Obama quietly looked the other way.

(He could have asked for DWS' resignation from the chairpersonship of the DNC at that point, and the base would have cheered him for it, but he remained tellingly quiet.)

And the situation wrt campaign finance right now is much, much worse than it was in 2008. Admittedly the vast majority of that damage came from the SCOTUS. But the Democratic Party could have done a lot more to keep itself clean, but took the corrupt money floodgates anyway.

Yes that $353K to sit with Hillary is technically 'legal.' Yes some of it might trickle down to downticket Dems. (With DWS, however, I can't be sure.) But let's be honest here...legal and technical explanations aren't going to pass the smell test when most voters have a vague notion of a supposed $2700/election limit on candidate fundraising.

Many of those bribed by it are feeling a bit shafted now.

Why he'll just walk over to Italy....

Hillary will be taking the boat--

Nor are you I trust.

Legend is that St. Christopher carried a child unknown to him across a river. Only after did the child reveal that he was Christ.
He is the patron saint of travelers. Jesus was a Jew by the way.

No flood, no whale...just a traveler on a trip to Rome.

(iow - nobody really cares - nor should they...)

perhaps you could email him and ask him directly. None of us here make his arrangements.

over the heavenly white clouds until they gracefully and so carefully deposit him at Vatican City.

and salt intake? So much to worry about!!

Should be a real game changer.

It sounds like this has been a "bucket list" event for Bernie.

I find the mocking of that distasteful.

This conference will touch on one of his biggest interests. The chance to discuss this topic with like-minded colleagues is priceless for him.

I'm sorry for the Hillary supporters who can't relate to something like that in their life.

I see it for what it is, a political ploy. Only gullible Bernie supporters would believe otherwise. Of course they also believe he's going to get their college loans forgiven and provide a unicorn sparkle pony in every yard so no surprise that they would buy into this charade.


Bernie's bucket list?



Again, who GAF?

And it will just keep on giving all. week. long.

says he doesn't have time to do which we all know is just more b.s. What is Sanders hiding?????

Yes, I'm sure that Bernie is hiding all sorts of huge income that he received when he made those speeches to Goldman Sachs.

it should take only a couple of hours to get those TurboTax forms together for public perusal.

One afternoon at home in Vermont should do it.

it will be fueled by your jealously.

I still think it's fine that he is going...but on many levels it plays badly.

If he does pay for it with campaign money, wouldn't that mean he is only going to further his campaign. I'm sure that Jane is going with him. Since she gets paid as a "consultant" by the Sanders campaign, will she get paid extra for overseas travel.

a private jet would be interesting, too.

For this unparalled champion of climate change activism, the optics might be problematic.

I'm pretty sure God will be providing the transportation:

First class all the way, for once!

OUCH!