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(85,998 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:25 PM Apr 2016

Blind Spot in the Sanders NY Campaign

...and in every other closed primary state.

Michael Tracey @mtracey
About half of the people I spoke to at today's Bernie rally (out of ~50) were ineligible to vote in the NY primary for one reason or another


AlGiordano ?@AlGiordano 22h22 hours ago
Bernie himself would be ineligible to vote in the NY Primary, but he - like any registered Indy - self-excluded.
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Blind Spot in the Sanders NY Campaign (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2016 OP
This Is Sanders problem in the trendy Brooklyn neighborhoods. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #1
But they're eligible to vote in the general nichomachus Apr 2016 #2
voting against the republican nominee isn't 'tribalism' bigtree Apr 2016 #5
When will you start voting fOR something... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #24
That may, indeed, be a problem for Bernie. MineralMan Apr 2016 #3
You're assuming the Sanders campaign hasn't done a re-registration effort. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #7
I'm not assuming anything at all. MineralMan Apr 2016 #9
That's one anecdote. I'm not from NY either, but c'mon... Ken Burch Apr 2016 #12
I have no idea what Bernie's campaign was doing in NY MineralMan Apr 2016 #14
They haven't... brooklynite Apr 2016 #19
NY Turnout, 2014 is why NY Democrats should not be happy about any voter not voting.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #28
Nobody knew who Sanders was at the start of the campaign Ash_F Apr 2016 #22
For years... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #4
Enough already with the indy-bashing. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #6
It may be anti-democratic, but if it's the law in NY, MineralMan Apr 2016 #11
We all know it's the law. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #13
Nothing is actually obvious. MineralMan Apr 2016 #15
If they didn't, your candidate will do better than expected. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #16
Well, from another thread, it seems that the deadline for MineralMan Apr 2016 #20
Just heard his 'get out the vote' end to his NY speech... jmg257 Apr 2016 #8
There isn't a conflict between talking about "getting out the vote" today Ken Burch Apr 2016 #21
I wouldn't think so. Just not sure if it happened. Any insight to any steps taking? nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #23
How many closed primaries has Sanders won? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #10
This "Sanders dilemma" has been mentioned several times in the MSM today. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #17
"No cure for stupid." ~Ron White. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #18
Since he doesn't iive in NY, of course he's ineligible. pat_k Apr 2016 #25
it's an illustrative point bigtree Apr 2016 #30
Blind Spot Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #26
" for one reason or another" would include having their registrations switched GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #27
I think this would have been tough to do, even if he had tried. lakeguy Apr 2016 #29
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
1. This Is Sanders problem in the trendy Brooklyn neighborhoods.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

Many of his supporters there are registered indys.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
2. But they're eligible to vote in the general
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

Which means Hillary would be out of luck in the primary, because these people aren't tribalists and won't vote for her just because she has a D attached to her name. That's kind of a blind spot for the Clinton campaign. People have about as much enthusiasm for Hillary as they do for a root canal.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
24. When will you start voting fOR something...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

rather to live with the delusion that voting against something is valid?

If you vote for Hillary, you don't vote against GOP - you vote FOR GOP since Hillary and her husband seem to be living in the same racist bubble as their fellow republican counterparts...

If you vote for Hillary, you vote to reward her for all her bad decisions that has helped create havoc both in the world and domestic.

If you vote for Hillary, you get to see Bill in the WH sll over again as if you are addicted to bad sequels of a rotten movie anyway.

Why do you want to unleash "Superpredators", the Clintons on the rest of the world?

They have already proven that they lack empathy and how they react when real life hits them in the face. That's when their masks come off and their true selves come to display. It's not pretty.

Why do you want to make the world dance after neocon, corporatists pipe all over again?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. That may, indeed, be a problem for Bernie.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

Many of those attending his rallies can't even vote in the primary. Someone should have thought of that long, long ago and worked on a registration or party change drive in time for the deadline. There are going to be many surprised people showing up at a polling place, only to be turned away for not being registered Democrats. Pity.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. You're assuming the Sanders campaign hasn't done a re-registration effort.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

There is no reason to assume that.

And it's time to stop the indy-bashing and the "The Sanders campaign is just silly" attitude. Both of those are childish tactics.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
9. I'm not assuming anything at all.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not in New York. Was there such an effort in time for the deadline? Are you in NY? From what the OP said, it sounds like many of Bernie's rally attendees aren't eligible to vote on the 19th. I know no more than that.

Can you add something to my knowledge.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
12. That's one anecdote. I'm not from NY either, but c'mon...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

It goes without saying that the Sanders campaign in NY would have done something to address this.

Bernie wouldn't have over 1,000 pledged delegates if his campaign were stupid enough to blow off something like that.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. I have no idea what Bernie's campaign was doing in NY
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

at the time of the deadline to change registration. I don't even know what that deadline was.

And, yes, it is an anecdote. If the campaign worked to get people to change their registrations, that's good news for him. I have no idea. I'll be looking at the results on the 20th, just like everyone else. I can't vote in NY.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
19. They haven't...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

if they had, a significant uptick in Democratic registrations would have been a newsworthy item.

As I recall, the Sanders supporters spent part of last year complaining that DNC wasn't doing it for them...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. NY Turnout, 2014 is why NY Democrats should not be happy about any voter not voting....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:10 PM
Apr 2016

New York’s turnout was a shameful 28.8 percent, the fourth-lowest in the country, despite three statewide races (including the governor) and 27 House races.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/opinion/the-worst-voter-turnout-in-72-years.html


Oregon, also a closed Primary State, had 69% turnout that year. NY has big apathy problems when it comes to the ballot box.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
22. Nobody knew who Sanders was at the start of the campaign
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

The media tried its best to keep him under wraps until it was impossible to ignore due to word of mouth and the internet.

Sanders may continue to trend up, but the damage has been done.

I don't think the Sanders campaign failed to try. It is more about resources and time.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
4. For years...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

...in the past, I was registered as "non-partisan" - but I knew the rules about voting in the primaries. Hopefully, most of these people know about voting regulations.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. Enough already with the indy-bashing.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

It's anti-democratic that NY doesn't allow same-day re-registration.

And it's time to stop treating independents as the enemy. Their only crime is having strong principles.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. It may be anti-democratic, but if it's the law in NY,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

that is what will happen. Do you live in NY? If so, work to change the law. It's too late this year.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. We all know it's the law.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

There is no reason for anyone to think the Sanders campaign wouldn't have had a major re-registration effort going all this time. Obviously they would.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. Nothing is actually obvious.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe someone who knows will tell us if they had such a drive. I doubt it, actually. But, I could be wrong.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
16. If they didn't, your candidate will do better than expected.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

But there's no reason this, of all things, should be an issue.

Give the campaign credit for not being morons.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
20. Well, from another thread, it seems that the deadline for
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

changing party affiliation in NY was October 9, 2015. I don't think there was even any organization at that time. New registration deadline is closer to the election, though. I don't know how that all breaks down in NY. It's possible it was overlooked, actually.

But someone with NY knowledge could probably clarify.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. There isn't a conflict between talking about "getting out the vote" today
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

and having run a re-registration campaign earlier.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
17. This "Sanders dilemma" has been mentioned several times in the MSM today.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016

Where were St. Bern's expensive advisors on this issue? Why weren't they organizing on the ground?

Oh, well...so it goes.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
25. Since he doesn't iive in NY, of course he's ineligible.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

And how do you know whether or not he changed his registration in Vermont? (Of course, to be eligible there, he wouldn't have to since the primary there was open.)

It's also silly to consider this a "blind spot" -- unless you know that his campaign has no demographic data analytics, which would obviously include registration status..


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. Blind Spot
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016


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lakeguy

(1,640 posts)
29. I think this would have been tough to do, even if he had tried.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

in order to switch party affiliation, you had to do it by Oct 9th. the first democratic debate wasn't until the 13th so Bernie was an unknown commodity. in a fair race there would have been at least a couple of debates before deadlines like this. but i guess only the repubs believe this to be true (they had 2 before Oct 9th)...at least with DWS at the helm.

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