Thanks, Skinner!

Why not? Discuss...

What else is there to discuss?

BTW, the question is "who stole the money and rigged the elections?"

That you don't like it doesn't make it sleaze.

I'm not surprised that there is disagreement within Catholic communities over this. Where people are, there will be disagreements. I doubt the group meeting in the Vatican would withdraw an invitation already issued, tho, so the question for the campaign now as before is probably simply will it benefit Sanders? Catholics in NY have their own, differing opinions, of course.

It only looks like "information" if you don't know where it's coming from, or why.

The guy that was fired for stealing from the Clinton campaign?

Is that you peers have spoken loudly on your judgement re: what is "sleazy".

There is no reason for your campaign to belabor this.

If he goes he goes. If he doesn't go he doesn't go. I'd rather talk about why Hillary was never invited. Must be the $250,000 an hour speeches. Greed doesn't go over well with you-know-who.

as he did. Simple.

Or just not pandering for the Catholic vote. There are actually any number of reasons why she wouldn't ask.

He forced his way on the "invite" in hopes that NY voters would be awed by his "vatican" trip. As if people really are that naive.

Hey, if it works for Mrs. Clinton, why not Senator Sanders?

means his speeches aren't worth much.

this has been disproven.

I am thinking he's not the pathetic one in your post.

what you are talking about do you?

He is the Amendment King, hardly a back-bench Senator with no accomplishments.

time. So, he got an invite. Stop believing every half truth you read in the msm or on DU--especially on DU.

In reality the Sanders campaign pressed their way into an invite because they are trying to use this as "Vatican supports Sanders" nonsense for NY. Sorry but people aren't stupid to fall for it. This is actually really backfiring badly on him.

There is nothing in Sanders' history that indicates that he would do that. You, your fellow Clinton supporters and Clinton herself are projecting because that's EXACTLY the kind of pandering SHE would do.

Sanders and why he invited him.

Where can I read about him being in communication with the Vatican for awhile now? Thank you..

of all the twisted crap I was reading on DU about this conference.

I am catholic and if he used this as a publicity stunt and is now not going...I want to discuss his intentions. Why did he go on several TV shows and PLUG this? First he said he was meeting the Pope. The Pope will be in Greece so that was not true and now he was speaking at a conference. I feel uneasy when people USE religious leaders for political gain! Is he going or not? I hope after all this hullabaloo he does go.

I am hoping he does meet the Pope. I don't want to feel like he announced meeting the Pope for a sinister reason.

to help spread his message of economic inequality and the need for social justice.

So you do think he is meeting the Pope?

A day will come when we learn WHO in his group, his inner circle of advisers, convinced him that this would be a good idea.

I have my suspicions as to who that might be, but I'm keeping them to myself for now.

His source for the entire premise of his hit piece. You must be so proud of this hack.

I am asking for discussion.

And that shoots down his credibility as a source of any kind of worth while discussion. YMMV.

Lets see how this plays out but I am expecting a cancellation as the whole thing..

that too.

Why not just go to NewsMax or Free Republic?

Many of you have been using RW attacks on all dems except Bernie.

The piece comes straight from Breitbart.

languages at all:

http://ilsismografo.blogspot.com/2016/04/vaticano-il-senatore-sanders-potrebbe.html

go to NewsM and FR.

surely, not by much.

She didn't get invited.

This is a transparent stunt by Bernie, and he's getting burned by it.

She's also running from investigators, buts that's another matter for discussion.

I knew it was just a matter of time.

did information about Hillary runs rabid here and you don't complain about that.

Even if Sanders goes, he may not necessarily get to meet with the Pope

of his trip.

by hiding an article by Breitbart. No we do not have to talk about it. It is from a place where bullshit regularly passes in some places as news but it is not and we do not need or have to talk about it. You sound so innocent here.

This is not supporting your candidate, this is not even working as a democrat. This is middle school sniping and picking and trying to climb over someone else by deceiving.

Sleazy is not what Bernie is doing.

I just want your opinion. Do you think he will go?

and "serious" is far from how you present yourself. You do not get my opinion more than what I already said. I have better things to do with my time than let myself get baited into a ridiculous conversation with someone who never listens.

Say Sanders gets on a plane right after the debate.

11 PM NYC time is 5 AM Vatican Time.

It's a nine or ten hour flight. That puts him wheels down at Fiumicino--assuming he has a tail wind--at around 2 PM.

Let's assume he asked the STATE DEPARTMENT to send "the guy" (I used to know "the guy" very well--I wonder if he's retired already, and who the new "guy" is?) who will speak with the customs officials and work to get him expedited through customs (because, without "the guy" that's an extra hour in the terminal, damn near) and he's through the gauntlet by, say, 2:30.

Now, he's got to get in a car and drive from the airport to Rome--do they ask the carabinieri to give him a WAAAAwaaaaWAAAAwaaaWAAAAwaaaa escort? Because without one, he's gonna CRAWL there. What car does he travel in? One from the STATE Department? That would be a bit sketchy, that.

He could also take the train in, but he still has to get over to the Academy from the train station. He would need to grab a cab.

Also--I'm trying to figure out what plane he would take that leaves at 11PM? Are there any red eyes out of JFK or Newark going to Rome? Unless he has a buddy with a fast private plane, he might have trouble getting there before his 4:30 PM 'ten minute speech.'

If he doesn't end up going, I'll bet Margaret Archer will feel no small amount of grim satisfaction. She'll probably be looking for a more loyal Number 1 to serve her, too.

easy shuttle - jumper from Boston.

they all want to see Italy, especially in the middle of a New York Primary. Little Italy in Manhattan just isn't the same.

They also asked about the taxes and her excuse was "I haven't been home."

Then she said they were in "boxes" and she'd have to find them.

I could be in Timbuktoo and access my taxes if I needed to. This internet is a hella thing!!!

I like to think most people would never use the Pope as a distraction for a bad week in a campaign but that is what it is looking like. I hope I am wrong.

And that person is of course the evil tool of the oligarchy, Hillary Clinton.

the conference itinerary was revealed today with his speaking slot, I find it highly improbably that he would cancel now. He is a man of his word and has integrity. He would not bail on something like this.

The only sleazy ones are those that continue to push bullshit, lies, smears, and rat-fuckery to bolster their candidate who is sucking up to big money on the same day Sanders is at the Vatican.

LOL!!!

had the schedule changed to insert a 10 minute slot for Sanders after the pandering stunt blew up all over Sanders' empty suit this weekend.

i wonder how much Sachs was bribed/had to arm twist to get his way.

Sanders is the one who LIED On national tv, not once, but twice saying he was going to meet the Pope/invited by the Vatican.

As a catholic, I am concerned about his intentions. I think I have a right to know. What is going on here. I wish there was a Sanders supporter willing to rationalize and explain this.

at a yearly conference to which he was invited the end of March.

Your candidate, her Machine, and your fellow supporters are trying to turn it into some sort of smear.

Maybe you ought to question their intentions instead of Sanders. He is walking his talk with this conference.

pathetic with this.

Sanders misspoke on the View, and the correct information has been out there before and after from numerous news sources including the Guardian.

You have proof of course for your libel here right?

You can't even get your facts straight so I know you are lying. Sachs is not a foreign policy advisor. He is an economist. He did not become Sanders team advisor until late last week which was after the invitation made the end of March.

You will also notice that most speakers are doing 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and a few at no more than 30 minutes. Having actually organized APA yearly conferences, I can assure you from experience that no one is just inserted retroactively. These things are planned out months in advance.

I am so sick of the Clinton lies. It is pathological, truly pathological.

here, and it's not from Sanders.

Fucking jealous, petty, and pathetic, imo.

How do you misspeak about meeting the Pope?

she does it all the fucking time. We are supposed to excuse bigger ones like snipe fire.

He was asked and nodding and said yup and before he could say anything further the host on the view kept talking. He then moved on to the conference. He has corrected it since numerous times. Why y'all won't accept speaks to the dishonest of the entire Clinton Machine.

And yes, if you push blatant lies that have been debunked and you don't apologize and correct it, I hate to break it to you but yes, that is a lie. For Catholic you appear to have missed that in Cathecism and Confirmation?

I'm no where near perfect. So what? This has not been debunked BTW.. IS he going or not?

We pretty much know that isn't true. He horned his way in and his buddy got him a slot on the schedule that takes away from the pee break.

nothing but papal "interference" in US politics-- a major no-no.

As a catholic, I feel a bit insulted and shocked that someone would inject the Pope in a political arena. IF that is what happened.

This Academy is located within the Vatican.

The Vatican was not "snookered".

It's name was inserted wrongly by Sanders and his campaign.

That said, the Vatican and the papacy are now at the center of an unfortunate international diplomatic incident.

Manifestly, what the Academia does reflects for good or ill on its umbrella organization. The Academia inadvertently allowed itself to be "snookered" into extending an inappropriate invitation.

if it was just the first three words.

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It's not a far leap from support to spite when the current intent of discourse is trickery.


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I will not support GOP. Don't know how you come up with that.

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One day, the justifications will manifest, warranting a short-term political conversion.


The funny thing is, the more one professes support and conviction, the swifter the shift.


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I think shortsightedness is STILL what's for supper with some here at DU.

That was where this whole pile of shit started to go pear shaped!

The phrase "Oh, how the mighty have fallen" comes to mind.

with the vitriol, imo. It serves absolutely NO purpose.

and said he was going to be meeting the Pope.. Turns out he is speaking for a few minutes at Vatican city in a conference at a critical time in his campaign. The Pope likely was not involved and probably knew nothing about this

A presidential candidate scheduled to attend a high-profile conference on social justice.
And yet the noble purpose of the conference and the spotlight it shines on it to have a presidential candidate in attendance is utterly obscured by the noxious effluence of envy.

Kudos to the slime patrol. You know who you are.

What there is is great amusement at the utterly transparent and completely ineffectual attempt by Bernie and the gang to elevate this thing into a quasi endorsement by the Pope of Sanders economic message.

Okay, maybe there's a little contempt thrown in for good measure for his phony high-mindedness.

The guy is going on a trip. Why is it such a big deal to you people?

Give it a rest. For once.

Seriously, I have to wonder whether the Hillaroids took lessons in trying to find pointless minutiae from the GOP's Benghazi investigators, worrying this like a not-too-bright dog with a dried up old bone. Either Bernie goes or he doesn't, but it's doubtful he'd have accepted for a specific speaking time if he didn't think he could make it. I know you think Bernie and his staff and his supporters are all hopelessly stupid, but I'd bet the staff are quite capable of figuring out time zones and flight schedules.

If Bernie does go he'll be talking about the idolatry of money while Hillary is busy idolizing money at George Clooney's $350K fundraising bash with the glitterati. The optics are ugly for Hillary, and you know it. But maybe she should have been invited to the Vatican conference just to present an opposing view.

But really. Just give it up. The more you whine and pick at this the more envious and spiteful you look.

and she has had Brock doing her dirty work from day one. So this should come as no surprise to us. It just saddens me seeing posters I thought I once respected stoop to this level of lying, smearing, envy, and jealousy. It is truly pathological. There will be no unity after this convention.

"The agency, Il Sismografo, also notes that there has been “no official confirmation that Bernie Sanders” will take part in the Vatican meeting,"

Other then a change in the official program listing him as a speaker, I guess.



And then there is a link at the "Roman news agency specializing in Vatican affairs, Il Sismografo", about the invitation...

https://rootedcosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/the-papal-invitation-that-wasnt/

"When I sat at my computer Friday morning and saw that Bernie Sanders had been invited to the Vatican I was stunned. Though I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Illinois primary, my reaction was not the Democratic nomination. I thought “wait, this has to be wrong, there is no way the Vatican could be this dumb, it is bad for the Vatican to get embroiled in a US election.” Through the course of Friday it became obvious that in fact no office that directly represents the Pope or is an important body of the Holy See was involved in inviting Sanders to what turned out to be a conference of mostly academics. ..."

She is still pushing the already thoroughly debunked guns coming from VT to NY lie.

This is just more smears, innuendo, and rat-fuckery.

Who cares if he goes or not. I prefer him not go to the House of Pedo. It's silly and a waste of time. He needs to spend in NY and PA.

SHE is going, too...

Is this pre-recorded????

No way! This is pathetic. He had better get his tush over to Italy after all this.

You guys have made a big deal about something that never mattered.

Bernie doesn't have to fake it or take a crash course on the subject.
He doesn't even have to evolve.
He has basically devoted his entire life to it.

Because the Hillary camp really is making a complete backside out of yourself and your candidate on this one, when you have much larger concerns to worry about right now. Particularly with her last banking scandals brewing.

I don't believe he's going.

Hillary is called a liar here on DU everyday and Sanders misspeaks. Give me a break!!

This is getting ridiculous, the attacks of Bernie and Hillary, I hope this nightmare is over soon.