that one was already taken by Her Corporate Majesty.

Brilliant!

So, Sanders' promises are worse than a stock hawker.

Makes you feel like a Master of the Universe!

The big lie needs to die and may we purge the third way corporate and kick em to the curb.

so much stronger at fundraising, yet Bernie's campaign has raised more $$ than Hillary's for the last three months. I guess Maddie's just not that into her.

in the short amount of time you've been here have been in GD-P and are usually vicious attacks on the Democratic party which you have stated earlier that you hope to see it collapse and die.

Why come to Democratic Underground if your hope is to see Democratic party collapse and die if it includes center-left and centrist Dems? On some issues Sanders is a centrist - and that's OK with me because he matches me on many other issues.

Will there be a purity test for EVERY ONE? Even you? You want DU to not have a purity test so you can post here, yet you want one for a party you don't want to join and that you wish would collapse.

With campaign financing.... That would so terrible if the DNC became more grassroots...

Best way to further division is to approach from the same side. Nixon did that with VVAW infiltrators.

Was done here during EVERY primary since 2003-4. Works every time till someone notices.

Bye felicia

What makes you think this is about disagreeing with you? I disagree with your constant posting attacks on Dem PARTY which you don't want to be part of and don't want to succeed if it doesn't do as YOU say.

You think every Sanders supporter agrees with you? They don't. I get plenty of messages from longtime DUers and Sanders voters who are appalled by the 'Blame and hate Dem party first' crowd.

because of their corruption in this election.

I've been a registered Democrat since 1987. Leaving doesn't come lightly.

If you support the parties bought out by the 1% antics to get Hillary in, then it says more for you than that guy.

I have to agree with him, the party needs gutted and to start over. The next one should reflect the 99%'s values not the 1%'s.

It should focus on stopping voter suppression, not suppressing it by opening as few polling stations as possible in states and not having enough ballots, and trying to prevent same day voters at all by re-directing them to the wrong facility when they come to the right one. I showed up to my caucus and saw the DNC voter suppression myself.

You are defending that? Then you are a Hillary voter. The rest of us left her because we didn't like corruption.

I'm only a dem to see if Bernie wins the nom. When he loses it, I go, and will vote for anyone else to defeat her.
I plan on saving brown children in Iran - the war she's been trying to get us into since she was secretary of state.
I remember well, commuting to work on I5 in Seattle and listening to her try to convince us we needed to go to war with them. She tried hard. It was too unpopular. The last time I heard her push that was a few months ago.
I'll vote red for the first time in my life before I will vote for that. And, I will also hope the DNC falls with her. It will be a mass exodus I leave it in, and that exodus has already started because of their corruption.

that is being self-indulgent, and couldn't possibly be someone who spent years working on GOTV matters and protecting voters rights from the onslaught of restrictions aimed at minority voters and students in every SWING STATE.

I congratulate you on your good fortune to not be in a swing state where we are stuck making every vote a matter of life and death, because it IS to someone.

Touche.

we can leave the presidential portion blank. I intend to vote for the dems who are liberal, the conservadems I am skipping.

We all will disagree on different issues... My #1 issue is corruption and campaign finance, which is why I post a lot about it. Agreeing and disagreeing are part of debate, I never even said anything in this post about voting or not voting for the DNC either...

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But in this OP I did not... Are you going to follow me around and argue about something irrelevant to the OP?

My gut feeling is that if sanders can't get the nomination then change from within a party is impossible and hopeless. I'll just go back to being cynical and not voting if that happens, like I did prior to this primary season outside of voting on local elections (city of Atlanta stuff)

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Do you mean as a Sander's supporter you disagree with his main issue to get big $$ out of campaigns?

Will you take the time to admit you are going to cast a vote for someone right of a Rockefeller republican? If you think the democratic party doesn't need a shake up and dismantling then it is you who are uninformed about the current election cycle. same old shit isn't cutting it. With Clinton you get same old shit!

talking points to do it, and not once did I do it with the intention of hurting the Dem party so that it would 'collapse' as some here admit they are here to do. I call that trolling.

Apparently some of you have difficulty comprehending that I am a Sanders voter who notices that there are a few here attacking the Dem party more than they are here to support Sanders or out of concern for issues. You may not think it odd for someone who says they are so concerned with gay issues, yet never posts on those issues or in other forums concerned with gay rights even with the current headlines of the last 3 weeks. I find it odd they SAY one thing and then stay focused only on GD-P and attack posts against Dem party.

You may not think it odd that someone who claims gay rights is ultra important to them, but, then turns around and blames Democrats for the issue, not Republicans. I do.

another evolution from only 2008. See a pattern?

ignoring the issue here in favor of crafting a constant stream of attack posts against the party.

Geez….try a nice large portion of comprehension for dinner.

Anyone who supports her owns it. I refrain from owning it. Pretty simple stuff. Also stating her record is not attacking her. It is stating her record. I do not require your lectures. -1 in Illinois is she is the nominee.. I know close to 50 who won't vote for her in Illinois. Ain't looking good for her in the general.

The DNC is looking too corrupt to go forward with to me, though.

Without saying anything about any specific poster, as a general rule, you can't take DUers at their word when they claim to be supporters of Bernie. Quite a few DUers claimed that falsely, for reasons best known to them.

I will keep that in mind.

Some of you are really comprehensive folks, arentcha?

that is what I was agreeing with.
You like this version of the corporatist Democratic party, that we've had for the last 20+ years? It hasn't done much for the middle class. It's made the rich a WHOLE lot richer and left the rest of us out to dry.

As I said, I have no idea what you are talking about.

are tacitly acknowledging they're being bought, or that they don't have enough of a popular support base to finance their campaign. Either way it's a damning 'statement'.

If you know they won't support you because you don't give them a voice, then you have to go to your corporate bosses to get support.

You know where their support comes form by seeing where their money comes from.

Or has it been redefined to be who you want to believe is the voice of the people?

Sanders has won 70% of the votes of independents so far, and they are now 40% of the electorate.

Hillary folks are hating on you, it means you are telling truths they don't want to hear.

that the things "we must do" to be "pragmatic" always hurt the people who are already destitute, but never inconvenience those who already have 1000 times more than they need.

It's obvious malarkey.

Big business preferred to donate to Republicans because Republican policies used to favor big business, while Democratic policies used to favor labor. However, as far as I know, it was never a principle on the part of Democrats to refuse donations, if offered.

Around 1980, the then head of the DNC sent a memo suggesting that Democrats should try to get some of the nice lobbyist money that the Republicans are getting. At about that time, the numbers of lobbyists present in DC began growing exponentially.

Also in the early 1980s, a bunch of big businesses funded formation of the Democratic Leadership Council--and the rest is history. Now, big business donates to both the right and the center right because big business is benefited by both (and Trumka's had a snootful!).