2016 Postmortem

vkkv

(3,384 posts) Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:51 PM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates

.... As for a general election, it’s obvious to anyone paying attention that Sanders is the best chance to defeat a Republican. First, he’s not linked to an FBI investigation. Second, Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by 16.5 points according to Real Clear Politics; six more points than Clinton.

If the GOP picks Ted Cruz, Bernie Sanders demolishes him by an average of 10.1 points.

Clinton beats Trump by an average of 10.5 points. If the GOP picks Ted Cruz, she barely beats him, and the polling average shows Hillary Clinton ahead by only 2.5 points.
These are Clinton’s poll numbers against Republicans before possible FBI and DOJ indictments, and before the media frenzy that takes place even if Clinton escapes legal consequences. Clinton also doesn’t keep polling leads and lost an over 50-point lead to Bernie Sanders, just like she lost her lead to Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/sanders-become-democratic-nominee-even-if-clinton-leads-in-delegates_b_9657952.html

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Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates (Original Post) vkkv Apr 2016 OP

Swarm in 3,...2,....1.... Segami Apr 2016 #1

+100 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #4

sure, people LOVE a GOOD stand-up comic. wyldwolf Apr 2016 #5

35 replies and I see 17. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #38

LOL!... Segami Apr 2016 #53

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #2

I'll dedicate this song to you wyldwolf Apr 2016 #3

Dream On DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #6

Yep, Dreamin! just like MLK.. vkkv Apr 2016 #28

Martin Luther King never dreamed of stealing elections like H.A. Goodman and his ilk. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #37

'Stealing'? To most of us here, that suggests doing something illegal. Super Delegate vote movement vkkv Apr 2016 #43

President Obama had the most pledged delegates and arguably the most popular votes. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #45

I'm sure we'll be here to find out... eom vkkv Apr 2016 #46

If Bernie wins the most pledged delegates he should be the nominee. Period. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #47

I dream that Hillary will become honorable. JudyM Apr 2016 #8

Oh kaaaaaay.. vkkv Apr 2016 #12

NOAP!!!! n/t UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #7

HAHAHA Goodman rbrnmw Apr 2016 #9

#23 says hi DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #13

HA Goodman has to be a part of a prank. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #10

The prank is on those who pay him to write these fantasies. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #39

He gets press space on HuffPo.... You, or the other HRC fanatics? vkkv Apr 2016 #55

Do you live in the year 2003? CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #56

Willam Rivers Pitt.. he's a blogger... you've heard of him? vkkv Apr 2016 #58

Nu uh. Hey.. PUMA's of 2016. Pink looks so good on you all. seabeyond Apr 2016 #11

Who can argue with that logic...I'm demanding my money back from Hillary... anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #14

Good luck with that... vkkv Apr 2016 #19

If a Sanders tax hike hits you, you don't need your money back Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #50

Really? Not what I've read... anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #54

This is embarrassing. DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #15

It will be contested election and yes, Bernie is the only one who can win the GE. Zira Apr 2016 #16

LOL/nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #18

" Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O’Malley. Here’s Why." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #17

Every election cycle... wyldwolf Apr 2016 #20

Talk about EMBARRASSMENT! It's going to be a little embarrassing for some when Hillary Clinton vkkv Apr 2016 #21

Past cases suggest Hillary won't be indicted wyldwolf Apr 2016 #23

In the meantime.. vkkv Apr 2016 #24

You posted your theme song! Nice! wyldwolf Apr 2016 #25

Other SOS' had classified emails... dchill Apr 2016 #27

That will make a fantastic campaign bumper sticker. Marr Apr 2016 #42

You just illustrated his point brilliantly. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #41

Kick for the use of Goodman. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #22

Back in 2014, just about everyone I knew was saying "NO CLINTON / NO BUSH!" vkkv Apr 2016 #26

Ah yes. wyldwolf Apr 2016 #29

You're pretty funny! But not in the good way (!) vkkv Apr 2016 #30

hmm... wyldwolf Apr 2016 #31

Reality? It's all an illusion.. you DO know that, right? vkkv Apr 2016 #34

ok wyldwolf Apr 2016 #36

#Berniemath RandySF Apr 2016 #32

So you think that the will of the people is sh*t? WhiteTara Apr 2016 #33

Yes that is exactly how they feel. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #44

I will vote for the nominee of our party WhiteTara Apr 2016 #48

So he is being elected King, now? Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #35

King Of Nothing DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #40

We all have noticed BS supporters never talk about Hillary's popular vote lead of 2.4 mil... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #49

yes. And monkeys are going to fly out of my butt. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #51

This guy has become an embarrassment to himself. Beacool Apr 2016 #52

I dunno.. HRC fanatics are getting cocky while HRC IS GETTING NERVOUS. vkkv Apr 2016 #57

It's not about momentum--It's about the number of delegates that you have Freddie Stubbs May 2016 #59

Segami

(14,923 posts)

1. Swarm in 3,...2,....1....

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:52 PM

Apr 2016

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)

4. +100 eom

Reply to Segami (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:54 PM

Apr 2016

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

5. sure, people LOVE a GOOD stand-up comic.

Reply to Segami (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:54 PM

Apr 2016

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)

38. 35 replies and I see 17.

Reply to Segami (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:42 PM

Apr 2016

LOL.

Segami

(14,923 posts)

53. LOL!...

Reply to Blue_In_AK (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:50 PM

Apr 2016

Thats hilarious.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)

2. pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:52 PM

Apr 2016

HA Goodman

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

3. I'll dedicate this song to you

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:53 PM

Apr 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

6. Dream On

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:56 PM

Apr 2016

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

28. Yep, Dreamin! just like MLK..

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:31 PM

Apr 2016

Making progress when we can even if conservative leaning Dems try to slow us down.. not this time bro.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

37. Martin Luther King never dreamed of stealing elections like H.A. Goodman and his ilk.

Reply to vkkv (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:42 PM

Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates- HA GOODMAN

Martin Luther King never dreamed of stealing elections like H.A. Goodman and his ilk. He dedicated his life to the proposition that every vote counts and every person matters.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

43. 'Stealing'? To most of us here, that suggests doing something illegal. Super Delegate vote movement

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:48 PM

Apr 2016

are not illegal. Obama benefited from it. I'm sure than almost EVERY Republican did not think that Obama could win it all.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

45. President Obama had the most pledged delegates and arguably the most popular votes.

Reply to vkkv (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:52 PM

Apr 2016

He wasn't over 3,000, 000 votes behind and 300 pledged delegates behind which is where the Vermont independent will be by the end of the primary season.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

46. I'm sure we'll be here to find out... eom

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:54 PM

Apr 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

47. If Bernie wins the most pledged delegates he should be the nominee. Period.

Reply to vkkv (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:55 PM

Apr 2016

JudyM

(29,251 posts)

8. I dream that Hillary will become honorable.

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:56 PM

Apr 2016

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

12. Oh kaaaaaay..

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:58 PM

Apr 2016

That's a little weird... Are ALL HRC fans that weird?

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)

7. NOAP!!!! n/t

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:56 PM

Apr 2016

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)

9. HAHAHA Goodman

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:56 PM

Apr 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

13. #23 says hi

Reply to rbrnmw (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:59 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

10. HA Goodman has to be a part of a prank.

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:56 PM

Apr 2016

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)

39. The prank is on those who pay him to write these fantasies.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:43 PM

Apr 2016

But hey I guess it's a good gig if you can get it.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

55. He gets press space on HuffPo.... You, or the other HRC fanatics?

Reply to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:31 PM

Apr 2016

Not so much...

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)

56. Do you live in the year 2003?

Reply to vkkv (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:35 PM

Apr 2016

Bloggers are a dime a dozen. Not really that big of a deal anymore.

Assholes and opinions and so on...

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

58. Willam Rivers Pitt.. he's a blogger... you've heard of him?

Reply to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:44 PM

Apr 2016

William Rivers Pitt's blog
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/author/william-rivers-pitt

William Rivers Pitt's blog

Economic Policy
The Sham of Austerity and the Storms to Come

— from Truthout

We had a storm up here the other day.....

SO CORKY... ""Bloggers are a dime a dozen. Not really that big of a deal anymore. Assholes and opinions and so on... """

REALLY??
AND YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE CREDIBLE?

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)

11. Nu uh. Hey.. PUMA's of 2016. Pink looks so good on you all.

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:57 PM

Apr 2016

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)

14. Who can argue with that logic...I'm demanding my money back from Hillary...

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:00 PM

Apr 2016

And I'll need it, what with the Sanders tax hikes coming.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

19. Good luck with that...

Reply to anotherproletariat (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:04 PM

Apr 2016

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)

50. If a Sanders tax hike hits you, you don't need your money back

Reply to anotherproletariat (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:45 PM

Apr 2016

Even if you gave the max.

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)

54. Really? Not what I've read...

Reply to Cassiopeia (Reply #50)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:02 PM

Apr 2016

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/bernie-sanders-tax-rates

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

15. This is embarrassing.

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:01 PM

Apr 2016

Zira

(1,054 posts)

16. It will be contested election and yes, Bernie is the only one who can win the GE.

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:01 PM

Apr 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

18. LOL/nt

Reply to Zira (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:04 PM

Apr 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

17. " Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O’Malley. Here’s Why."

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:03 PM

Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O’Malley. Here’s Why

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-will-fini_b_8717248.html

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

20. Every election cycle...

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:06 PM

Apr 2016

"progressives" pretend to be experts in Democratic electoral politics, then embarrass themselves.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

21. Talk about EMBARRASSMENT! It's going to be a little embarrassing for some when Hillary Clinton

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:15 PM

Apr 2016

is indicted.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

23. Past cases suggest Hillary won't be indicted

Reply to vkkv (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:22 PM

Apr 2016

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

24. In the meantime..

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:24 PM

Apr 2016

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

25. You posted your theme song! Nice!

Reply to vkkv (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:25 PM

Apr 2016

dchill

(38,505 posts)

27. Other SOS' had classified emails...

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:29 PM

Apr 2016

in their basements?

Who knew?

Marr

(20,317 posts)

42. That will make a fantastic campaign bumper sticker.

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:46 PM

Apr 2016

Very inspiring.

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)

41. You just illustrated his point brilliantly.

Reply to vkkv (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:44 PM

Apr 2016

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

22. Kick for the use of Goodman. Nt

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:19 PM

Apr 2016

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

26. Back in 2014, just about everyone I knew was saying "NO CLINTON / NO BUSH!"

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:28 PM

Apr 2016

Remember those days?

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

29. Ah yes.

Reply to vkkv (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:31 PM

Apr 2016

You should probably get out more.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

30. You're pretty funny! But not in the good way (!)

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:33 PM

Apr 2016

No... if you were my neighbor we'd be good friends when this is all over.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

31. hmm...

Reply to vkkv (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:35 PM

Apr 2016

if you were my neighbor we'd be good friends when this is all over.

Maybe, but most of my friends are part of the reality-based community.

vkkv

(3,384 posts)

34. Reality? It's all an illusion.. you DO know that, right?

Reply to wyldwolf (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:40 PM

Apr 2016

Particles, waves, atoms, aether.. Your reality only exists because you see it that way..

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)

36. ok

Reply to vkkv (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:41 PM

Apr 2016

RandySF

(58,911 posts)

32. #Berniemath

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:36 PM

Apr 2016

When you're ahead even though you're behind.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)

33. So you think that the will of the people is sh*t?

Reply to vkkv (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:38 PM

Apr 2016

Bernie should win no matter what? wow. The person who reaches the delegate number is the nominee in the Democratic Party. The repuke are working to change their rules, and it has been in the past thought the democrats were more honorable. But whatever. It will be interesting in July.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

44. Yes that is exactly how they feel.

Reply to WhiteTara (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:49 PM

Apr 2016

So you think that the will of the people is sh*t?

Yes, that is exactly how they feel.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)

48. I will vote for the nominee of our party

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:59 PM

Apr 2016

even if I have to hold my nose. Not that Bernie doesn't have some good ideas, but his followers are clueless about the party system and are so annoyed when it doesn't reflect their personal agenda. I think that the fact that they don't realize that it needs a full structure to accomplish goals and all they need is one man (and note it's a man) to fix all ills.