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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:03 PM Apr 2016

I really don't care if Bernie goes to the Vatican or not

If he goes and it helps him, good for him. I'm not going to fault him for going and speaking in other countries like a good leader should do. This, to me, is a weird thing to be obsessed over. He's using his time in the best way he sees fit, and I am in no position to say he's wrong.

And, yes, I'm saying this as a very strong Clinton supporter that will be voting for her here in NY.

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I really don't care if Bernie goes to the Vatican or not (Original Post) Godhumor Apr 2016 OP
I don't care either, except that he invoked the Pope to try to gain an edge in NY. That's wrong. Hoyt Apr 2016 #1
Considering the Vatican's response, I'd say it was handled n/t Godhumor Apr 2016 #2
thank you Godhumor. I don't understand the HRC vitriol either. zazen Apr 2016 #3
Don't mistake indifference for condemnation Godhumor Apr 2016 #4
I watch MSNBC a lot, I read the news a lot and the only place I saw this come up was DU. Agschmid Apr 2016 #19
Thing is, it's all a political stunt. And be bungled it by lying about the "pope invitation". DanTex Apr 2016 #5
DanTex, Bernie never said that CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #8
He said "yes" when asked about it. Lie. DanTex Apr 2016 #9
No, he didn't. CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #11
Yes, he did. On the View. He was asked and said yes. DanTex Apr 2016 #12
If I'm remembering correctly, CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #13
LOL, I see. It was #NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement DanTex Apr 2016 #15
I'm truly not following you here. CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #23
Yes, the View host did. And Bernie said yes. DanTex Apr 2016 #24
So someone from The View CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #26
... DanTex Apr 2016 #28
Just so we're clear CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #30
You're kidding. He said "yes" when asked if he was meeting the pope. DanTex Apr 2016 #31
This isn't something CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #33
Umm, he said "yes" when he was asked. DanTex Apr 2016 #34
You're making 101 assumptions CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #35
Actually, I'm just quoting him. He was asked a question and responded falsely. DanTex Apr 2016 #36
I agree with you here. Agschmid Apr 2016 #20
Watch the first 10 seconds. DanTex Apr 2016 #25
Yes I've seen it, several times. Agschmid Apr 2016 #37
Fair enough. DanTex Apr 2016 #38
Thank you Godhumor ms liberty Apr 2016 #6
Some of your friends on your side are CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #7
You don't care about the MOST IMPORTANT SCANDAL IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS? Armstead Apr 2016 #10
"YUP"GATE. /nt Marr Apr 2016 #14
It's not the going, it is the lying about the invite, and the speculation about what this Lucinda Apr 2016 #16
For me, I think the Vatican handled the response perfectly Godhumor Apr 2016 #18
Hopefully he won't have to dodge sniper fire libdem4life Apr 2016 #29
He lied. Deal with it. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #40
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #17
I've been looking for a nice thread to put this on. polly7 Apr 2016 #21
unnnn. If Hillary sneezes wrong republicans call her a liar... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #22
finally, voice of reason on this subject! restorefreedom Apr 2016 #27
Same. I think some ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #32
As a Bernie supporter, I couldn't care less if he went to the Vatican, morningfog Apr 2016 #39
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. I don't care either, except that he invoked the Pope to try to gain an edge in NY. That's wrong.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016

zazen

(2,978 posts)
3. thank you Godhumor. I don't understand the HRC vitriol either.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

Frankly, she would have come off a lot more presidential if she had issued an immediate statement congratulating him on his invitation and expressing gratitude that a Senator was engaging with other leaders on this important issue. Then she could have made some statement about engaging with leaders herself on these issues for years and how vital it is for a Senator to be welcomed to the world stage as she has been fortunate to have been. Then she could have focused on how glad she is to have a Senator giving voice to these economic concerns and how important it is to incorporate that dialogue into the many challenges America and the world are facing in the 21 st century . . . .

I mean, that's not that hard to write a congratulatory and yet honestly patronizing statement, because she does have more experience in worldwide fora and while I think Sanders isn't a one-issue candidate, a lot of other people do, and she could have spun this to reinforce this misconception.

Instead, her surrogates have made her campaign seem petty and spiteful. Not smart.

They keep making missteps like this. She should have been much farther ahead in the polls. Sometimes I really do wonder if her husband is intentionally holding her back, you know?

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
4. Don't mistake indifference for condemnation
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

I simply am not concerned about how Bernie spends his time.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
19. I watch MSNBC a lot, I read the news a lot and the only place I saw this come up was DU.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

If you are equating DU members to Hillary surrogates don't, they aren't.

I'd be open to seeing some links where people criticized him for going who were actual surrogates. But I haven't seen the candidate do it, maybe I missed it?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. Thing is, it's all a political stunt. And be bungled it by lying about the "pope invitation".
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

I don't care if he goes, he can go wherever he wants and do whatever he wants. But it's not like he just coincidentally got invited to this right at this time, he lobbied for the invitation because he thought it would help his campaign.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
8. DanTex, Bernie never said that
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

the Pope invited him.

Where are you getting this?

You have repeatedly argued and railed against something that Bernie never did.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
11. No, he didn't.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

I am absolutely certain that Bernie never said that the Pope invited him.

Never.

That has never been reported anywhere that Bernie said, "The Pope invited me to come to speak at this conference."

Do you think maybe you misunderstood?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
13. If I'm remembering correctly,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

There was an extended discussion between Bernie and the ladies on The View about Bernie's trip. Then Joy said, "Oh my God! You're going to see the Pope!?" And Bernie replied, "Yes!"

Is this what you're taking about?

If so, I can understand. He answered in the affirmative and said, "Yes!". I heard it when it was said and I just assumed that he was saying that yes he was going to Vatican City, where the Pope is. I didn't take it so literally. I was just so thrilled for Bernie and for the Dem party and that the topic of caring about the poor and less fortunate would get some much-needed publicity.

How do you and I both hear the same thing and come away with two such disparate interpretations?

With all of that said--Bernie never said that the Pope invited him. I really wish you'd quit professing that Bernie said this because he didn't. You need to go back and listen to the video.

Bernie NEVER asserted on The View or anywhere else, that the Pope invited him.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. LOL, I see. It was #NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ez4az7/the-colbert-report-jon-kyl-tweets-not-intended-to-be-factual-statements

BTW, in your scenario, where did the View get the idea that the Pope had invited him? If it didn't come from the Bernie campaign, you think they were just guessing?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
23. I'm truly not following you here.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

Has someone from The View asserted that Bernie said the Pope invited him?

Because...Bernie never said that the Pope invited him.

Bernie issued a press statement about this news--in the very beginning--after he got news of the invite. In Bernie's official press materials, he never asserted that the Pope invited him.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. Yes, the View host did. And Bernie said yes.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

Like I said, where do you think the View got this information? It came from the Bernie camp, because that's the only place it could have come from. They told lies to the View, and the View repeated those lies on TV, and Bernie said yes.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
26. So someone from The View
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

said, "Bernie told us that the Pope invited him to this conference."?

Did they say this after Bernie appeared there on the show?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
30. Just so we're clear
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie never said, "The Pope invited me." He never spoke those words.

Bernie also never said that the Pope invited him in any of his press materials. Never suggested that or said that in any other context.

Behar said that and he agreed, which to me, was Bernie affirming, in general, that he was going. "The Pope invited me" has never been uttered by Bernie. Never.

This was an innocent affirmation of this epic announcement. Bernie was excited.

So we'll just have to agree to disagree about what the affirmation meant. I guess you see bad intentions on Bernie's part. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.

He's leaving in four days. Maybe all of this keyboard analysis will subside a bit, and maybe people will be able to see the good, once he is there in Vatican City.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
31. You're kidding. He said "yes" when asked if he was meeting the pope.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

And he nodded when she said that the pope had invited him.

The excuses you are making are just bizarre. If someone asks you a question, and you answer falsely, that's a lie even if you don't repeat the question.

You know, like if someone asks me if I've won an Olympic medal and I say yes or nod in agreement, that's still a lie, even if I don't repeat "yes, I've won an Olympic medal".

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
33. This isn't something
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:45 PM
Apr 2016

that Bernie went around saying.

In fact, Bernie has been quite open about who invited him. He said repeatedly that it was Chancellor Sorondo.

After Sorondo sent digital copies of the formal invite to Bernie--Bernie widely disseminated that invite from Sorondo to many media members. I saw reporters from CNN and ABC who had those documents in hand.

Does this sound like the actions of a man who was saying that the Pope personally invited him? In fact, Bernie was doing the opposite.

I agree that Bernie answered in the affirmative. We'll have to agree to disagree about Bernie's intentions, what he meant--and if that affirmative response is important.

Cheers.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
34. Umm, he said "yes" when he was asked.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

It was totally cynical and dishonest. He assumed that the audience of the View would never check the facts for themselves.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
35. You're making 101 assumptions
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

about Bernie's intentions. About his honesty. About his assumptions about the audience and that he desired to dupe them.

Got it. How you feel about all of this, is very clear.

Thanks for the dialogue.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. I agree with you here.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

I think that what Dan saying is incorrect, Bernie did say he was going but I haven't seen him say he was invited by the Pope.

ms liberty

(8,580 posts)
6. Thank you Godhumor
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

There are some DU'ers who are being really ugly. I am not surprised to see you are not one of them! You've shown fairness and civility before and I've noticed!
Wasn't it you that changed jobs a few months ago? How is that going for you? Well, I hope!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
7. Some of your friends on your side are
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

are acting like crazed loons regarding this issue. It's so over the top.

Bernie was invited to attend a conference. He's going. He's excited. As he should be.

The petty mocking and straw man arguments are bizarre. People are starting threads just to declare that the Pope never invited Bernie. Meanwhile, Bernie never said the Pope invited him. It like they entertain themselves by arguing with themselves about things Bernie never said.

It really makes your side look like bratty and petty.

I'm glad to hear that you are indifferent. It's much better that acting like an unhinged howler monkey.

Maybe you could talk to your friends and tell them how moronic they sound? It must be lonely being the lone voice of reason.

I will also say that Hillary has been an effective campaigner in NYC. NYC looks good on her. I thought riding the subway was a great idea. I love Bernie's big rallies, but Hillary does a great job with smaller-venue events. I think that will go a long way in NYC, and I hope to see Bernie doing more intimate events.

Best to both candidates in NY who are fighting their hearts out to win this state.

Enjoy your front-row seat. It will be over before you know it--so attend every event that you can and enjoy the non-stop television ads, media circus and rallies. This much focus on the NY primary is rare, as you know.

Enjoy it while you're able! You may never see NY at the epicenter of the Dem primary--at this level--again in your lifetime.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
10. You don't care about the MOST IMPORTANT SCANDAL IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

What's wrong with you?

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
16. It's not the going, it is the lying about the invite, and the speculation about what this
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

shows about his internals in NY that makes it discussion worthy for many people.

I think the meetings subject matter is right up his alley and might be good inspiration for his post campaign work.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Hopefully he won't have to dodge sniper fire
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:16 PM
Apr 2016

The monks would be a bit out of character. Then there are the nuns...well ...

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
27. finally, voice of reason on this subject!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:11 PM
Apr 2016

i am happy for him too as one of his supporters, but honestly wish the issues would get more attention.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
32. Same. I think some ...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

... on our side have grabbed on to this simply because of the nonsense we hear about Hillary day in and day out from Bernie supporters.

They parse her every word.

When it comes back at them, they get very upset.

But its really a non-event.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
39. As a Bernie supporter, I couldn't care less if he went to the Vatican,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:07 PM
Apr 2016

spoke there, was or was not invited. Aside from a very few issues, the pope is on the wrong side of history and has more in common with his predecessors.

What I don't get it the obsession from the Hillary folk. It's just petty, silly and highly entertaining.

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