Look how long we've been stuck on Coal... if we switch to Natty Gas we will just be chained to that for a long time too. And fracking just bad bad news. Oklahoma is having more and more earthquakes because of fracking.

Might have worked a couple decades ago. If it was enacted then, then right now is the time we should be converting to non-carbon, renewable energy. It's simply too late to use NG as a bridge fuel. That ship has sailed.

Someone as smart as Hillary should know what the majority of climate scientists are saying about how close they think we are from a non-recoverable tipping point. Since she's disregarded the experts opinions and is trying to sell us the Pickens Plan then it can only mean one of two things:

1. Her judgment on this is lacking, or

2. She's been corrupted by the money and shilling for Big Energy.

This is too important to screw up. Hillary is wrong and Sanders is 100% correct on the best course of action.

PS. If you gave a speech to the fossil fuel industry, release those transcripts as well.

Pumping the waste from fracking back into the ground seems to me to be very short sighted. Almost as stupid as making a waste that no one knows what exactly to do with as the nuclear industry does

Actually, methane releases dwarf the fracker's groundwater crimes. Not just Porter Ranch, which was fracked gas pumped into an existing well. All the shale areas are releasing huge quantities. A climate disaster.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

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Making that statement is a little silly, since we have enough NG for our domestic use.

It's the dozen or so LNG ports that are either built or in the works to ship this gas to other countries.


The new plan is to damage our ecology, destroy our watersheds, so energy companies can sell to others.


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The extraction process for fracking generates a lot of methane, so on balance natural gas is no better (if not worse if you consider the ground water contamination and earthquakes caused by the process) than coal for its negtive affects on climate change.

• Substituting natural gas for coal power plants may confer climate benefits.
• Delays in deploying low-emission power could offset climate benefits of natural gas.
• Natural gas may reduce CO2 emissions, yet result in additional near-term warming.
• Natural gas leakage and plant efficiencies affect relative benefits of gas vs. coal.

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Coal and Petroleum are ickier because of all the sulfur and other elements that come with them, but all are fossil fuels with that emit CO2 when burned and we need to get off the habit.

Hillary and to a lesser degree misunderstand petroleum, which isn't used in our grid, it's not used to generate electricity (except in Hawaii where it is the number one source, over 70%).

Transportation is the biggest user of petroleum, plus it's use for heating and some manufacturing.

Thus, any conversation about getting us off fossil fuels MUST talk about transportation and while Hillary gave due credit to Obama on raising mileage standards, Bernie is the only one who mentioned rail. I can't remember if it was high speed rail or reinvigorating our rail infrastructure or what, but we have to transform the grid, generation AND transportation!

I mean, we need someone who understands that methane is too dangerous to our already tipped environment to be considered an option. The latest study says to expect 9 feet of sea level rise by 2050! 9 FEET! By 2050! GET IT???

I don't know that there's any corporate propaganda that Hillary won't swallow and repeat back to us if she's paid enough.

Sanders is right that these baby steps she proposes are too little too late.

Just so we can have cheap shit!

at inflated prices. Its all connected IMO. They want total control of the water.

and I don't doubt this.

It was a mineral rights lease agreement.
Wyoming land I inherited.

What I learned in the process is you either negotiate with oil companies or they will take it anyway in Wyoming. That's how they roll there so I negotiated some protections from injury liability and water rights in my favor.

I'm thankful they didn't frack and the lease ran out.
Yeah, I might have been wealthy but at what price?

When they said they would give us some of the money and reneged I wasn't even mad.

How is it good for ecology if it poisons our ground water?

It's not ready for prime time and probably never really will be.

Fortunately, the coal industry is rapidly going down the tubes on its own.

I couldn't quite finish this excellent and we'll documented article. It made me feel sick. Here's where the queen pulls a Cheney.

I just don't get a sense of her commitment in this domain.

I prefer Bernie for a lot of other reasons too but if she should win the nomination, I don't know how I'll be able to get past this and vote for her. Hopefully Bernie will win the nomination and I won't have to worry about it.

Of course, Pickens is the biggest of the big gas bags.

I don't think she's stupid. She certainly is bad on the environment with this promotion of natural gas. What was she doing promoting fracking around the world? I didn't want my taxes paying for that. And how did she benefit either personally or through her foundation?

She's not just slow walking the fight against climate change, she's taking us backwards. This is the most important thing besides war and she's wrong on both. These are not right wing talking points, what she says is.

Hillary's greedy backers only see the $$$. They think of global warming as an investment opportunity.

Thanks for the thread, Lone_Wolf.

Most of our country's NG is locked up in tight shale rock formations. The most efficient way to extract it is with hydrofracking which is something Big Gas is very open about.

I live in a part of NY above the Marcellus Shale that was targeted by these predatory Gas companies and their company propaganda shills. Their words and PR material sound an awful lot like the local Republicans politicians around me like Fred Akshar, Tom Libous, Debbie Preston, and so on. Not so coincidentally, these jackasses take huge sums of money from Big Gas and their allies.

So please forgive me if I don't trust Hillary when her words sound exactly the same as theirs.

smh