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hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:06 AM Apr 2016

The actual difference between Bernie and Hillary

Hillary's approach is to work within the existing system, using the same tools and methods that are used today. That approach explains why so many honestly believe that she can "get things done" and why Hillary always emphasizes her political connections. Hillary is the establishment candidate despite denying the "establishment" label.

Bernie's approach is to work on rebuilding the system itself--to change the corrupted tools and methods the politicians use. That's why he has rallied the support of the pissed off and frustrated regardless of party. People having experienced the way we all got pushed into destroying Iraq, patients having endured illness and pain for years that they simply cannot afford to treat, generations growing up without their parents thanks to the drug war, suspects--often innocent-- beaten senseless or outright murdered by untouchable cops, etc. It's no surprise at all that so many are in favor of some fundamental changes.

I don't think Hillary is actually that bad, but I do think that her approach is woefully insufficient given the enormous scale of the problem and election after election of politicians who promise to represent us, but then only represent wealthy donors (Obama never did manage to find his comfortable shoes). Those who know they can't afford to purchase representation under today's rules and those who want to make a better nation are the ones supporting Bernie---despite the odds, against the relentless claims of impossibility, and in defiance of calls to give up.

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apcalc

(4,465 posts)
2. As a woman, the first woman
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

She can only fight the fight working by using the system.

A female revolutionary would quickly be put on the sideline.

JudyM

(29,291 posts)
3. That is a thoughtful comment... To the extent that the boys *let* her play, her challenges to their
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

rules will be minimized/she'll be sidelined to the extent they can. By virtue of his gender, Bernie gets to stay in the game, even though they will choose him last for the team if they don't like his rules.

Similarly, women have to play by the establishment rules to get ahead instead of having the extra freedom men have to take bolder actions outside the box. I have personally experienced this in the male corporate world. While times have changed, the model Hillary came up through crushes women who try to do things their own way.

Still, she went so far over to the other side as to not be able to change the rules any longer. She has spent all these years proving herself to men that her hands are now tied, beholden to them and their system. Contrast that with Elizabeth Warren, who is also playing politics, but with a decidedly different moral compass.

Thanks for that layered insight, apcalc!

hereforthevoting

(241 posts)
6. I honestly believe that to be true
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

And I also think she will "get things done".

What I don't believe is that she is progressive.

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JudyM

(29,291 posts)
5. Good thread, hellofromreddit. Would add that her judgment is clouded by her financial and power
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

model/ties. The documented money laundering and shrouded connections/transactions (e.g. arms sales) put her in an entirely different (un)ethical sphere than Sanders.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
7. What worries me is that she is commited to working with the
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

neoliberal model. No matter how much kinder and gentler she makes neoliberalism, it is the wrong direction: it will entail increased militarism to protect corporate interests around the world; it will result in few jobs and lower wage at home; and it will deplete the federal funds needed to mitigate the damage done domestically and abroad by neoliberal policies.

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