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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:49 PM Apr 2016

Monica Lewinsky reflects on Clinton affair aftermath: ‘The shame sticks to you like tar’

“I felt like every layer of my skin and my identity were ripped off of me in ’98 and ’99,” she told The Guardian in a profile published Saturday. “You feel incredibly raw and frightened. But I also feel like the shame sticks to you like tar.”

Lewinsky, now 42, has emerged as a passionate anti-bullying advocate almost two decades after her sex scandal with former President Bill Clinton dragged her through headlines and made her the butt of every oral sex joke.

She broke a years-long silence on their tryst and its fallout in a 2014 Vanity Fair feature.

In the Guardian interview, appropriately conducted by "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" author Jon Ronson, Lewinsky compared the act of bullying to cutting.
...


Lewinsky declined in the interview to comment on loudmouthed mogul Donald Trump’s remark that she’d be “fair game” in his campaign against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton — but did show off her new line of anti-bullying emojis and GIFs.


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/monica-lewinsky-public-shame-sticks-tar-article-1.2603832
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Monica Lewinsky reflects on Clinton affair aftermath: ‘The shame sticks to you like tar’ (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #1
She got herself in a sticky situation. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #2
so she stalked clinton and he gave her what she wanted. mission accomplished so why feel bad? nt msongs Apr 2016 #3
If it had been kept quiet, she would've had a good story to tell her (grown) grandchildren. Chemisse Apr 2016 #5
Slut shaming is so last century. grossproffit Apr 2016 #9
Presidents getting away with oral sex from their interns is pretty last century as well Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #16
Are you calling her a slut? Chemisse Apr 2016 #32
So you think it's OK for a POTUS to have sex with his young interns as long as it's "consensual" Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #8
It was less like sex, and more like Bill "being serviced" regularly. John Poet Apr 2016 #13
I frown upon it. Chemisse Apr 2016 #34
If the interns are adults and the sex is consensual and theirs no one getting hurt then I hope so uponit7771 Apr 2016 #35
Really, the position of power and him being president does not bother you a little? nt Logical Apr 2016 #39
What you just posted 840high Apr 2016 #12
Congratulations! You won the "Most Disgusting Post of the Year Award"! Bonobo Apr 2016 #19
I reported the post but Hillbots voted it from being hidden... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #21
Good! Let people see how absolutely bottomless they can get in their disgustingness. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #22
Jury decision Sunsky Apr 2016 #27
Truly a disgusting comment! Have you no shame? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #28
My mom purchased one of her handbags years ago from Henri Bendel. grossproffit Apr 2016 #4
Looks like the "Hillary-Bros" are out in force John Poet Apr 2016 #6
That's sisters to you! grossproffit Apr 2016 #7
No, I didn't. John Poet Apr 2016 #11
Didn't stick to Bill Clinton for an instant. So unfair. Dems to Win Apr 2016 #10
Yeah, it did and still does. grossproffit Apr 2016 #14
Yeah well... that's what she gets for leading a simple man astray. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #15
it wasn't clinton who made it public but the republicans and her "friend" linda tripp JI7 Apr 2016 #18
this should never have become public JI7 Apr 2016 #17
Sure the president should totally be able to have sex with Whitehouse interns and keep it secret Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #20
Like the transcripts of the speeches Hillary gave to bankers? Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #25
It wouldn't have if he wouldn't have done it! nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #29
+1, and its no ones business even now uponit7771 Apr 2016 #36
I know that you are conditioned to accept a liar pointing at your face DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #40
The ones who tarred and feathered her were Ken Starr and the Republicans. Beacool Apr 2016 #23
I agree Marrah_G Apr 2016 #24
Yes of course a free pass for Bubba Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author JoePhilly Apr 2016 #42
You know, after I watched her presentation on Ted Talk today, I felt deeply shamed. ebayfool Apr 2016 #30
+10,000 Enough, the Clintons have brought us nothing but shame! nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #31
Republicans hate the Clintons uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37
And? Even a broken clock... Live and Learn Apr 2016 #41
I always felt very badly for her. I'm glad to see she's found her voice and power again riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #33
I hadn't heard of that. That's so tragic. ebayfool Apr 2016 #38
You sound more upset about this than most Repubicans I've ever known. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #43
If you think it's OK for the President to have sex with his interns just because it's "consensual" Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #44

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
5. If it had been kept quiet, she would've had a good story to tell her (grown) grandchildren.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

Instead, she was publically humiliated.

This was her fault, of course, since she set him up to reveal their affair. But she was young and in the hands of master manipulators with a passionate political agenda - to get Clinton out of office by any means possible.

Having the entire nation jeering at you has to be tremendously difficult to endure.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
16. Presidents getting away with oral sex from their interns is pretty last century as well
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

Thank goodness and hopefully we won't be going back.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
32. Are you calling her a slut?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

Young women enjoying sexual encounters is timeless.

Victimizing women involved in consensual, adult sex to suit a political meme (Bill Clinton = pervert, Lewinsky = victim) is uniquely 2016.

I did not think he was a pervert back then. I thought he was an incurable adulterer and a very bad husband. I am not going to change my opinion of the situation because Hillary is running for president.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. So you think it's OK for a POTUS to have sex with his young interns as long as it's "consensual"
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

It's not OK for a reason. It's an abuse of power and authority.
 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
13. It was less like sex, and more like Bill "being serviced" regularly.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

I think if he needed to treat some young woman like a prostitute,
he should have found a real one and paid her for her services.

It would have been more honest.



Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
34. I frown upon it.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

I think it's an ethical violation. But it's not comparable to a man having sex with a child or to any kind of rape.

I voted for Bernie, but - like Bernie, I might note - I am disgusted by Trump-like personal attacks within our Democratic party (or really, in general).

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
35. If the interns are adults and the sex is consensual and theirs no one getting hurt then I hope so
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

... I don't think its progessive to dislike sex... that's .. so conservative

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
19. Congratulations! You won the "Most Disgusting Post of the Year Award"!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

"He gave her what she wanted"

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
21. I reported the post but Hillbots voted it from being hidden...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:15 AM
Apr 2016
so she stalked clinton and he gave her what she wanted. mission accomplished so why feel bad? nt
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Sunsky

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27. Jury decision
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:17 AM
Apr 2016

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grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
4. My mom purchased one of her handbags years ago from Henri Bendel.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

She seems to only come out during primary season these days. Pity, her bags were wonderful.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
6. Looks like the "Hillary-Bros" are out in force
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

on this thread...


I don't really believe that Monica "got what she wanted" out of the situation with Bill...

but I'm damn near certain that Bill got what he wanted.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
7. That's sisters to you!
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

Did you find the first 2 comments were appropriate? Bad taste in mouth & sticky situation? Comments like those are offensive.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
10. Didn't stick to Bill Clinton for an instant. So unfair.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats and feminists leaped to Bill's defense instantly, attacking and discrediting Monica. Many still do.

Not me. I'm disgusted at the thought of Bill returning to the WH. It's a big reason (tho just one of many) I don't want to vote for Hillary.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
20. Sure the president should totally be able to have sex with Whitehouse interns and keep it secret
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:14 AM
Apr 2016

It's a totally private thing

Just kidding no. Please they shouldn't be doing that.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
25. Like the transcripts of the speeches Hillary gave to bankers?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:40 AM
Apr 2016

But, if she was paid $21 million dollars for giving those speeches, she should make them public if she wants to earn the public's trust.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
40. I know that you are conditioned to accept a liar pointing at your face
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

and telling you he isn't a liar. I'm not. Fuck liars. They're filth.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
23. The ones who tarred and feathered her were Ken Starr and the Republicans.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:30 AM
Apr 2016

There may also be a special place in hell for Linda Tripp, that vile woman.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
26. Yes of course a free pass for Bubba
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:41 AM
Apr 2016

President of the United States abuses his power and has sex with a 20 year old intern. Liberals predictably trip all over themselves to defend it.

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #26)

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
30. You know, after I watched her presentation on Ted Talk today, I felt deeply shamed.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:19 AM
Apr 2016

Shame that I had, however grudgingly, defended Clinton when the hearings were ongoing. I knew, in that deepest heart of hearts, that the real blame belonged to the married man. The boss that dallied with a young subordinate. The man with all the power. If Democrats that did the same were truly honest, they would feel that same shame. The GOPers that instigated the whole circus - we all openly speak of their shameful part of this. But, damn! Some of us weren't much better by holding Bill to a different standard than we would have for just about any other CEO messing with a subordinate intern.

I am so pleased to see she has gained her voice, strength and self back. She is a better woman than I was at her present age.

Now. I know this will piss off certain people, but it had to be said. Let the pillorying begin. I can take it.





 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
33. I always felt very badly for her. I'm glad to see she's found her voice and power again
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

I remember the report of her final comment to the grand jury - "I hate you all" - and how she then burst into tears.

My heart broke for her.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
38. I hadn't heard of that. That's so tragic.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

I was young and did stupid shit before. Thankfully, it wasn't used as public bait to catch big fish.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
43. You sound more upset about this than most Repubicans I've ever known.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

A Democrat, on a Democratic board, dredging up an old scandal about consensual sex between adults, as part of an endless effort to damage the Democratic front runner for President.

A great example of the far left circling all the way around to embrace the far right.

Well done!

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
44. If you think it's OK for the President to have sex with his interns just because it's "consensual"
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

then maybe we don't belong in the same political party,

I defended Clinton on this in the 90s and am deeply ashamed of my own behavior.

Times have changed since then.

Yes people looked the other way back then, but that won't fly now. Our society has changed for the better in this respect. There is much more understanding on issues of sexual harassment, assault, rape, and inappropriate relationships for people in positions of trust and power.

We have been through the Catholic Church scandal. We challenged rape culture on college campuses and in the military. Workplace sexual harassment is taken more seriously now.

It's a different world than when the Clintons were in the White House. Times have changed and we're never going back. Thank goodness.

President Obama has made us all proud. He has held the office with dignity. We owe him and his family a lot of respect. He would never have sex with his Whitehouse interns and that's a minimal standard of human decency that we should expect from a president.

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