2016 Postmortem
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(17,130 posts)her vote on the Iraq invasion sealed it for me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)That all didn't happen. She never was against Obama, they've always been allied against Bernie Sanders.
"We've always been at war with Eastasia". Emmanuel Goldstein will tell you we were at war with Eurasia. That is a lie!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Just a smidgen...
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)I needed that reminder.
Zira
(1,054 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)and set up a means of securing advice from a person whose advice the President expressly rejected? Is that who you mean?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Obama kept trying to "work with Republicans," and they kept kicking him in the face?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Hillary's team in '08 also gave the impression of constantly putting out fires.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)But I agree her Iraq vote is her big, big scarlet letter.
Either way it was....she was either easily duped or she was not but was afraid to vote no....still damning to me. Trillions of dollars wasted, lives ended or impacted badly, war profiteering right and left.
Ino
(3,366 posts)She was not duped, but wanted to show she was tough, that she would go to war.
And if she's elected, she will go to war over the smallest slight. To show she is tough.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)And her patronizing attitude to Bernie in the
beginning was nauseating.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)He only achieved a republican health care plan. Not much to dream about there.
He had a partial senate term. Once in office he let the republican minority run rough shod over the nation.
Many Obama supporters were just as nasty as anything we see in 2016.
Obama led in the male demographic. Many of those men acted in an unpleasnt manner.
Obama's team called Clinton a racist and a secret fundie dominionist.
Name all the top female cabinet members in Obama's administration.
Obama hugged all of George W. Bush's policies as if they were his own. Including killing American citizens without trial.
Clinton was better on many issues than Obama. History has proven that. The most cogent example is the housing crisis in which Obama's HAMP has been a failure while Clinton's HOLC proposal had a proven successful record.
Those young people helped get a DINO into the whitehouse.
Soapbox, Obama is a center right republican. Sorry to break the news to you.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... is running a similar campaign as hers which discounted the southern states.
sigh
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Meet the old Hill, same as the new Hill or is it Meet the new Hill, same as the old hill? Works either way
Umbral18
(105 posts)That's not a problem I'm having this election.