but it seems like what now passes for the Democratic party and its supported candidates have. That makes this old Democrat very sad on one hand, but very happy to support Bernie on the other.

#boomers4bernie

Have these folks heard about the bleaching of Coral Reefs... and do they understand what that means to the oceans? Just a thought.

And retaking the Senate.
After the 2020 census, we will retake the house.

The question wasn't about a Democrat, it was about what type of Democrat.

Right now the "No we can't" Democrat has the lead for the party's nomination. That's the I give up candidate.

The only thing that matters is winning. It doesn't matter what kind of Democrats we elect, as long as we become the majority party again. Then we can really... um... really keep getting reelected.

It is not a "type of Democrat," just Democrats. We older Democrats have not given up, no matter who we support.

You are willing to settle, as long as a Democrat wins, no matter what the policy implications.

Hillary's "No we can't" is the position of people who have given up.

We are not willing to allow Republican's to gain full control of all Branches of Government again if we can stop it.
We continue to push for change but will not accept massive change for the worse if one candidate lacks appeal to the majority of the Democratic Party.
We take the long view of history because the system we have is designed to change slowly.

It has been two since the last election when most Democrats decide to stay home because the change they wanted was Republican change.
That would be a bad idea this time.

It's twisted wrong-headed enthusiasm, but it is because the GOP is agfgressive in fighting for their beliefs. (But that con job is reaching itsd sell-by date.)

With a few exceptions, Democrats have not inspired voters because they are selling tepid gruel, instead of a clear agenda.

If that is true then all those people wanted the teaparty racists.
People who don't vote, get the government they deserve, and even if they complain, I think that is the government they want. They jsut don't have the courage to say so.

I vote in every election. Sometimes the decisions are difficult. Often, I would prefer a better candidate.
A government is going to be elected whether I vote or not. I can not complain if I have not voted, and I would deserve the worst possible government that can be elected it I do not vote.

With citizenship comes great responsibility. I take it seriously.

We'll vote - but for the other woman running.* Her platform is more in line with ours.


*If Hillary is the nominee.

not having to give up too much of your privlidge until after you dead

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for the best government from the options we are given.

If you don't like Sanders, fine. But it would be best not to nip hope in the bud yet again.

We can have better options. But not if we continue to passively accept bad ones and shoot down all efforts to create good ones.

Up to this point, a good majority of Democrats have decided Sanders is not the right choice.
This is not an attempt to snuff anyone's hope, and it is not giving up.
It is a difference of opinion.

But what is systematically being done to Sanders and his supporters -- and the effort to smother the positive energy it could bring in -- goes beyond whether candidate A is better than B.

When we reach a point where a former president and the husband of a current candidate "joking" that Sanders and his supporters want to "shoot every third person on Wall St." those kind of messages are going beyond the pale.

(And I know some Sanders supported sometimes go over the top too....But this massive effort to stifle the message as well as the messenger is on a different scale.)

Why do we deserve better options? Because we are special? We get what we work for and earn. I am one of the few here who like both candidates equally and am not going to get in a pissing match about it. But had Bernie decided to join the party years ago and done the hard work of building an organization perhaps he would not be behind the eight ball now.

More importantly, had his supporters decided to join the party and actually done some hard work, perhaps they would now have candidates more to their liking. I realize many of his supporters have been hard-working party members for years. But a huge never have never even voted in a Democratic primary and expect to get their way just because.

I've been an independent my whole life until Bernie. I'm proud of this fact.

I don't expect to get my way. In fact I'm very prepared to have to support a candidate I don't agree with.

Average age of our peace line....62. The young people need to get to the polls and that is every election not just every for years.

Been waiting 40 years for a candidate like him.

and then another 8 years of Bush II. Must be nice to have only Obama as president.

When Dems have power, they allow the corporate Wall St. donors to call too many of the shots....And they always use the GOP as an excuse not to even TRY.

The powder is so dry it is dessicated.

We need change.

My fear is exactly why I support Bernie. Hillary does not champion issues that will help me or my family now, or in the future.

I am a lifelong Democrat. I carried a coffin labeled "Death of the New South" at Georgia's Lester Maddox's inauguration. I am a results oriented person. I am an excellent point A to point B strategic thinker. Bernie presents no plan as to how he will implement his so called revolution. I'm in the music business and I come across a lot of big talkers with lofty goals that have no idea how they will reach their goals. He is great at pointing out problems but not realistic solutions. Bernie is not using his popularity to raise money to help elect down ballot Dems-he has no plan for retaking the state houses-no plan to retake the Senate. The "bully pulpit" is no plan-I hear that a lot from BSS as a way to get things done. Having a million people show up at Mitch McConnels office is not going to change anything. So far that's all I've heard. I see Bernie as totally unelectable and if by some miracle he did win the nomination, he has stated that he will not compromise his principals for anything. That sounds great, but our system of government relies on compromise to get things done. Nobody gets everything they want. I know that BSS hear that and they start calling me a Republican or "No We Can't". The true test of Bernie's intentions will be if he works to turn out large numbers in the mid-terms. So far, he has not inspired large turnouts to the polls-he gets great crowds-apparently that is not translating to vote totals. Hillary is a flawed candidate for sure, but in my estimation she will accomplish more than Bernie with his no compromise stance. I like a lot of Bernie's message, I just don't see Bernie as someone who can build coalitions-he has very few colleagues that believe in him. I was and still am a huge Jimmy Carter fan. It pains me to admit his Presidency was not successful- he has been an inspiration to me in his post Presidency. He and Bernie are similar in some ways. They have some pure streaks that work make them being ineffective politicians. I am a thoughtful person, but the insulting, condescending attitude that Hillary's backers are somehow brain dead zombies that are also immoral, oligarch supporting, war mongering conservatives makes it very difficult to even put my reasons out there.

Above any concept of public good. She won't push for radical action on climate change, campaign finance reform or economic or social justice because she won't risk offending the people who need to be offended by those changes. She supports the right causes at exactly the moment she calculates she can do so without major political risk, and given the shape of the world right now, that isn't nearly enough any more.

Frankly I'm sick of hearing about how her poor judgement and bad decisions can just be waved away years later, and yes if you support her candidacy then you're aligning yourself with someone who has clearly demostrated immorality, oligarchic support and war mongering tendencies. If that offends you, then join the club, it offends me that 'Democrats' are still supporting her.

very well said!

Has not given up yet....But it is getting close now, this is the worst I have ever seen our elective process go. This also is the worst most useless slate of candidates I have ever seen in the more than 50 years I have been old enough to vote.. couldn't start til I was 21 One candidate gives me hope if he wins that hope will continue but if they pull some more crap and the so called super delegates go against the popular vote that will pretty get me a lot closer if not over the line..

Why should I be?

Not giving up hope. I despise the tactics of HRC and Third Way. No matter the rigging or struggle, we continue fighting.

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I saw Jack Kennedy in the flesh. Remember how strange it was for him to be in color. Had only seen him on TV in black and white. I also saw his brother get shot, on black and white TV.
You young uns have a lot more old uns on your side now than we who opposed the Vietnam War did in the sixties and seventies. Heck, the world is feeling the Bern.

I haven't given up.

That is why I support Bernie.

In my opinion, voting for Hillary would be giving up.

But I do Feel the Bern.

is alot of these Hillary supporters used to be moderate republicans. Since the dem party abandoned the working class for corporations and banks the mod reps who where with the republican party because of business philosophy left when the republican party got too conservative. They then went over to the dem party because the democratic party became the corporate/banking party or party of business.

People shouldn't be so patronizing toward geezers . . . it pisses us off.

I live in the real world and have to deal with real world issues. Sanders' proposals are really sad in that they have zero chance of passage. Sanders' revolution has been a bust and there is no way that Sanders could ever hope to adopt his plans. Sanders' plans for adopting his proposals depend on these new voters. Here is how Sanders thinks that he will be able to force the GOP to be reasonable http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/21/1483791/-Imagine-Bernie-Sanders-wins-the-White-House-Then-what

They are not there.

A little over half the eligible voters vote in a presidential year.

The number in off year elections is much lower.

That must be where these new voters come from.

They haven't done it before.

is there a reason they would now?

I doubt it.

You go for Hillary if you fear real change.

I don't need a rude and sanctimonious BernieBro telling me what I really believe.

I am not afraid.

Do you want to tell me why I should be?

It's as simple as that.

the 'glory' days of 1990's , after all it's possible a good number of that set would like to set their chronometer back 20-25 year

me I'm a bit more realistic and I'm 60