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Beacool

(30,251 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:45 PM Apr 2016

Clinton allies quietly shape general-election map

By Gabriel Debenedetti
04/17/16

By hoarding ad space in battleground states, they hope to keep Republicans on defense, no matter who is their nominee.

NEW YORK — Democrats aligned with Hillary Clinton are laying the groundwork for a general election campaign focused primarily on the same battleground states that twice elected President Barack Obama, buying up ad time on local TV in an attempt to quietly shape the playing field before the Republicans choose a candidate.

The 2016 electoral map being drawn by pro-Clinton forces, according to ad reservations and interviews with high-level strategists and pollsters on both sides of the aisle, begins with a core group of familiar presidential swing states at the center of the fight — Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, Nevada, Iowa, Virginia, and Colorado — with roughly a half-dozen other states on the periphery.

Those other states — which include Wisconsin, New Mexico, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, all perceived to be leaning toward the Democrats, and North Carolina, where the GOP is likely to begin with an edge — are thought to be competitive, though not yet at the point where they stand likely to flip their 2012 presidential vote in November.

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The candidate herself has also made a point to personally visit some target states — and influential Democrats there — after their primary contests finished. For example, she held a series of closed-door fundraisers in Florida, Ohio, Colorado (hosted by Gov. John Hickenlooper), and Virginia (hosted by Gov. Terry McAuliffe) earlier this month.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-allies-general-election-222052

It sounds like a good strategy. It also shows that the Clintons have been around presidential elections for years. The campaign is laying the ground work that will be essential to be competitive in a tough race. For all the criticism from Sanders and his campaign, fundraising for other Democrats is also important. These are the people that a president will need to pass his/her agenda.



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Clinton allies quietly shape general-election map (Original Post) Beacool Apr 2016 OP
Excellent, particularly the buying up of TV time in advance. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #1
Yep, it's going to be a tough race. Beacool Apr 2016 #3
Her big-money strategy has already stumbled badly in the Primary season. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #2
And yet she's still beating Bernie CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #4
She won't have enough votes to clinch going into the Convention. A failure for Ms. "inevitable". nt Romulox Apr 2016 #6
Yet she will be the nominee. nt hack89 Apr 2016 #11
She will require the help of the so-called "Super Delegates" (lobbyists and insiders). nt Romulox Apr 2016 #14
That is the only way Bernie can win too. hack89 Apr 2016 #15
It's a sleazy system. We should be embarrassed and ashamed. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #16
What is wrong with pledged delegates? hack89 Apr 2016 #17
DNC members were not. jfern Apr 2016 #22
But if the SD support the candidate with the most delegates hack89 Apr 2016 #26
For the SDs simply support the one with the most PDs, morningfog Apr 2016 #49
None, they already have pledged PLEO, which are pledged party leaders and elected officials jfern Apr 2016 #52
SDS are for races where more than two candidates are in contention hack89 Apr 2016 #53
The caucuses are the worst- don't you think? bettyellen Apr 2016 #35
Yet, she's ahead in pledged delegates and votes. Beacool Apr 2016 #5
and supers DrDan Apr 2016 #7
She's on track to win on the first ballot DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #8
She is politically bloodied and mentally/physically exhausted. It wasn't supposed to be this way. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #9
I think she's grown stronger as the primary has progressed. DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #10
She was visibly tired and off her game during the most recent debate. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #12
Yeah, right......... Beacool Apr 2016 #18
She wiped the floor with him. DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #19
Not according to ANYONE outside of the establishment. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #24
Bernie looked confused. He couldn't even redstateblues Apr 2016 #29
I was rooting for Bernie, but kind of have to agree with you. I wish he didn't get eastwestdem Apr 2016 #47
I support Hillary, but I doubt if any minds were changed by the debate DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #48
If you call a net -24 favorable rating stronger jfern Apr 2016 #23
Shaped alright. Aerows Apr 2016 #13
Is that supposed to be a comment about her body? Beacool Apr 2016 #20
Nope Aerows Apr 2016 #21
I had never heard of something going "pear-shaped". Beacool Apr 2016 #31
Hey, I learn new things Aerows Apr 2016 #34
Never heard that one before! bettyellen Apr 2016 #36
I have to be honest Aerows Apr 2016 #38
Oh yeah. Busting balls, YouGotaLotofCojones, your mother ___ ____, and you talking to me? were all bettyellen Apr 2016 #39
They can give me a hide right along with you Aerows Apr 2016 #41
I laughed so hard I cried when I heard that one! But that was in bettyellen Apr 2016 #43
Honey Aerows Apr 2016 #44
LOL. No idea why a dead pig would smile. bettyellen Apr 2016 #46
Fine with me. Beacool Apr 2016 #42
Indeed. Aerows Apr 2016 #45
Why is it always Hillary supporters who think everything is about her gender? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #25
That was exactly what I was thinking Aerows Apr 2016 #27
Calm down, I had never heard that expression. Beacool Apr 2016 #32
Not everybody is familiar with British expressions mythology Apr 2016 #50
No! she's ripe. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #28
Bea, I got upset when I read the second paragraph and saw North Carolina wasn't included. StevieM Apr 2016 #30
NC is included. Beacool Apr 2016 #33
Agreed, but my point is that I think North Carolina is a purple state. StevieM Apr 2016 #37
Let's hope so and keep our fingers crossed. Beacool Apr 2016 #40
So she's writing off the south. Doesn't Hillary think that Black voters matter? imagine2015 Apr 2016 #51
This is why it's important to have lots of MONEY in reserve. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #54
Yes, whether we like it or not, it cost a lot of money to remain competitive. Beacool Apr 2016 #55

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
3. Yep, it's going to be a tough race.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

I'm glad that they are doing their homework and buying ad time.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. That is the only way Bernie can win too.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

the nominee should be the person with the most pledged delegates - right?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
53. SDS are for races where more than two candidates are in contention
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:40 AM
Apr 2016

And no one gets a majority. They allow the party a measure of influence on the outcome. They have never been a factor in any primary to date. They will not be a factor this year. The candidate with the most pledged delegates will win. This angst over SDS is misplaced. They will not be the reason Bernie loses.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
9. She is politically bloodied and mentally/physically exhausted. It wasn't supposed to be this way. nt
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
24. Not according to ANYONE outside of the establishment.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

He kicked her butt in the eyes of the average person.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
29. Bernie looked confused. He couldn't even
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Come up with one instance of Hillary's "corruption" after railing about it for a year. Bernie is not ready for prime time.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
47. I was rooting for Bernie, but kind of have to agree with you. I wish he didn't get
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

so visibly upset. It's infuriating how Hillary always keeps that same neutral look on her face...it takes a lot to get to her, but Bernie did once or twice on Thursday. I think he is better off holding large rallies and staying on his talking points that have worked so well. I hope he doesn't push for anymore debates. Luckily, at least in my friend group, Bernie's supporters are quite loyal, and I don't see anyone jumping ship anytime soon.

DavidDvorkin

(19,485 posts)
48. I support Hillary, but I doubt if any minds were changed by the debate
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

For one thing, it's far too late in the game for that. For another, although his performance was poor, it wasn't Trump-poor.

It seems to me that debates don't -- well, shouldn't -- change minds unless one of the participants is an unknown quantity before the debate and then shows him/herself to be an utter dunce.

I was going to say "or an utter genius", but I'm not sure which way that would affect most voters.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. Nope
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

Just a commonly known phrase for things going sideways, in the weeds and, in general, f'd up.

I censored that to preserve your obvious delicate ears. No need for a fainting couch if you are looking for one.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2011/09/frasers-phrases-its-all-gone-pear-shaped

http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/Liberty

At one point, Shaw tells Finch that an operation has gone "pear-shaped". This is a traditionally British expression for a situation that has gone horribly wrong.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. I have to be honest
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

I didn't believe people actually said "busting your chops".

I had to look that up!



You, my friend, are a New Yorkers, New Yorker.

You startle and stun me, but I just adore you for it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
39. Oh yeah. Busting balls, YouGotaLotofCojones, your mother ___ ____, and you talking to me? were all
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

pretty big here. I love the Irish use of fuck. My parents would say Jesus Mary and Joseph when they were upset, but Irish kids will say "Jesus Mary and Fuck", LOL. Anywhere they can stick a fuck in there works.
Oh man, I will probably get a hide for this, even though we are friends. LOL.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
41. They can give me a hide right along with you
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

You tickle the HELL out of me, my dear !

I've never heard "Jesus Mary and Fuck".

I have heard "What in the name of Christmas, Easter and the Fourth of July are you doing?"

P.S. I'm Irish, but Southern Irish. I never would have guessed it could be so different!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. I laughed so hard I cried when I heard that one! But that was in
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

Ireland, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.

The rest of those swears were from the Bronx. Heee hee. Happy to give you a laugh!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
25. Why is it always Hillary supporters who think everything is about her gender?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

Y'all accuse us Bernie supporters of misogyny (which is funny since I'm female), but it's always you guys who run straight to the sexist meme when there's no need.

Here, I'll help you:

pear shaped

A British expression used to indicate that something has gone horribly wrong with a person's plans, most commonly in the phrase "It's all gone pear shaped." The origin is unclear, but one theory says that it is RAF slang relating to the difficulty of performing aerobatic loops, which were described as "pear shaped" if executed imperfectly.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. That was exactly what I was thinking
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

and was (I thought) being witty.

It's weird how nit picky they are getting.

Oh, Lord. I probably said something horrible there, too.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
50. Not everybody is familiar with British expressions
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

But also given that the expression has multiple slang meanings, it is perhaps wiser to avoid using it due to potential confusion.

There was an article on ESPN a few years ago about the player Jeremy Li an Asian American basketball player after a team loss entitled "a chink in the armor". Obviously it wasn't meant to be racist, but the company apologized and changed the headline because of the potential confusion.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
30. Bea, I got upset when I read the second paragraph and saw North Carolina wasn't included.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

Then I saw read further and saw that indeed they are targeting it.

North Carolina is slowly becoming more and more Democratic, like the way Virginia did. Obama may have narrowly lost it in 2012, but I think it is very much in play for future elections, including close elections.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
37. Agreed, but my point is that I think North Carolina is a purple state.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

Arizona and Georgia are red states that we might win in a decisive election. But North Carolina is a state that we can win even in a close election IMO.

Maybe you didn't read my whole post. I said that I initially thought they didn't include it but then I kept reading and saw that they did.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
55. Yes, whether we like it or not, it cost a lot of money to remain competitive.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

Who knows how much money the Republicans are going to spend on the GE.

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