2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton allies quietly shape general-election map
By Gabriel Debenedetti
04/17/16
By hoarding ad space in battleground states, they hope to keep Republicans on defense, no matter who is their nominee.
NEW YORK Democrats aligned with Hillary Clinton are laying the groundwork for a general election campaign focused primarily on the same battleground states that twice elected President Barack Obama, buying up ad time on local TV in an attempt to quietly shape the playing field before the Republicans choose a candidate.
The 2016 electoral map being drawn by pro-Clinton forces, according to ad reservations and interviews with high-level strategists and pollsters on both sides of the aisle, begins with a core group of familiar presidential swing states at the center of the fight Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, Nevada, Iowa, Virginia, and Colorado with roughly a half-dozen other states on the periphery.
Those other states which include Wisconsin, New Mexico, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, all perceived to be leaning toward the Democrats, and North Carolina, where the GOP is likely to begin with an edge are thought to be competitive, though not yet at the point where they stand likely to flip their 2012 presidential vote in November.
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The candidate herself has also made a point to personally visit some target states and influential Democrats there after their primary contests finished. For example, she held a series of closed-door fundraisers in Florida, Ohio, Colorado (hosted by Gov. John Hickenlooper), and Virginia (hosted by Gov. Terry McAuliffe) earlier this month.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-allies-general-election-222052
It sounds like a good strategy. It also shows that the Clintons have been around presidential elections for years. The campaign is laying the ground work that will be essential to be competitive in a tough race. For all the criticism from Sanders and his campaign, fundraising for other Democrats is also important. These are the people that a president will need to pass his/her agenda.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)I'm glad that they are doing their homework and buying ad time.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)the nominee should be the person with the most pledged delegates - right?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)They were all chosen by the voters.
jfern
(5,204 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)What's the problem with that?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)What's the point of the supers?
jfern
(5,204 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)And no one gets a majority. They allow the party a measure of influence on the outcome. They have never been a factor in any primary to date. They will not be a factor this year. The candidate with the most pledged delegates will win. This angst over SDS is misplaced. They will not be the reason Bernie loses.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Therefore, no, she hasn't "stumbled badly".
DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)Not much of a stumble.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)As if sanders was cool and collected. He always sounds angry.
DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He kicked her butt in the eyes of the average person.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Come up with one instance of Hillary's "corruption" after railing about it for a year. Bernie is not ready for prime time.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)so visibly upset. It's infuriating how Hillary always keeps that same neutral look on her face...it takes a lot to get to her, but Bernie did once or twice on Thursday. I think he is better off holding large rallies and staying on his talking points that have worked so well. I hope he doesn't push for anymore debates. Luckily, at least in my friend group, Bernie's supporters are quite loyal, and I don't see anyone jumping ship anytime soon.
DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)For one thing, it's far too late in the game for that. For another, although his performance was poor, it wasn't Trump-poor.
It seems to me that debates don't -- well, shouldn't -- change minds unless one of the participants is an unknown quantity before the debate and then shows him/herself to be an utter dunce.
I was going to say "or an utter genius", but I'm not sure which way that would affect most voters.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)If so, not cool.
Just a commonly known phrase for things going sideways, in the weeds and, in general, f'd up.
I censored that to preserve your obvious delicate ears. No need for a fainting couch if you are looking for one.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2011/09/frasers-phrases-its-all-gone-pear-shaped
http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/Liberty
At one point, Shaw tells Finch that an operation has gone "pear-shaped". This is a traditionally British expression for a situation that has gone horribly wrong.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)I learned something new.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)too.
Let's give each other the benefit of the doubt
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I didn't believe people actually said "busting your chops".
I had to look that up!
You, my friend, are a New Yorkers, New Yorker.
You startle and stun me, but I just adore you for it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)pretty big here. I love the Irish use of fuck. My parents would say Jesus Mary and Joseph when they were upset, but Irish kids will say "Jesus Mary and Fuck", LOL. Anywhere they can stick a fuck in there works.
Oh man, I will probably get a hide for this, even though we are friends. LOL.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You tickle the HELL out of me, my dear !
I've never heard "Jesus Mary and Fuck".
I have heard "What in the name of Christmas, Easter and the Fourth of July are you doing?"
P.S. I'm Irish, but Southern Irish. I never would have guessed it could be so different!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Ireland, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
The rest of those swears were from the Bronx. Heee hee. Happy to give you a laugh!
You make me smile like a dead pig in the sunshine.
Heh. Decipher that one!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Y'all accuse us Bernie supporters of misogyny (which is funny since I'm female), but it's always you guys who run straight to the sexist meme when there's no need.
Here, I'll help you:
A British expression used to indicate that something has gone horribly wrong with a person's plans, most commonly in the phrase "It's all gone pear shaped." The origin is unclear, but one theory says that it is RAF slang relating to the difficulty of performing aerobatic loops, which were described as "pear shaped" if executed imperfectly.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and was (I thought) being witty.
It's weird how nit picky they are getting.
Oh, Lord. I probably said something horrible there, too.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)But also given that the expression has multiple slang meanings, it is perhaps wiser to avoid using it due to potential confusion.
There was an article on ESPN a few years ago about the player Jeremy Li an Asian American basketball player after a team loss entitled "a chink in the armor". Obviously it wasn't meant to be racist, but the company apologized and changed the headline because of the potential confusion.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)Then I saw read further and saw that indeed they are targeting it.
North Carolina is slowly becoming more and more Democratic, like the way Virginia did. Obama may have narrowly lost it in 2012, but I think it is very much in play for future elections, including close elections.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)If Trump is the Republican nominee, some red states may be in play.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Arizona and Georgia are red states that we might win in a decisive election. But North Carolina is a state that we can win even in a close election IMO.
Maybe you didn't read my whole post. I said that I initially thought they didn't include it but then I kept reading and saw that they did.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Who knows how much money the Republicans are going to spend on the GE.