2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy has the furvor over Sanders releasing his tax returns subsided?? I think this is an important
issue. What could he be hiding?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,831 posts)and there was nothing interesting in them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)But gave 14.80 million to her slush fund aka charity
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)No even an unpaid parking ticket?
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Hard to do much monkey business on $200,000 while having two places to live to maintain (VT and DC), birthday presents for 7 grandchildren, and running for president!! No wonder he flies coach.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I'm sure there is some really ugly stuff in previous years...
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Answer... She knows that if she releases the transcripts her goose is cooked. Hillary your HUSBAND signing away Glass Steagal and Signing the Commodities Futures Modernization Act that resulted in the economic collapse! Nothing BUT OBFUSCATION FROM THE QUEEN OF OBFUSCATION!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Plus his effective tax rate IS LOWER THAN HIS MARGINAL TAX RATE!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)He's right in the ball park for where he should be.
I posted this in another thread. Great info at link:
This is America's effective tax rate, based on income quintile:
http://www.pgpf.org/budget-basics/how-much-do-americans-pay-in-federal-taxes
FarPoint
(12,433 posts)We Democrats don't threaten violence , use false shaming or bully tactics to get what we want in a fair campaign.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)helping those among us in need.
Democrats have principles. And one is we never support big money in government.
FarPoint
(12,433 posts)So be it.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Hillary and the DNC are therefore unconstrained.
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)The Democratic party hardly seems immune to big money.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bow to Mammon. The Clintons represent everything that is corrupt in American politics. They have amassed $150,000,000 from what could be called graft.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)isn't on too tight.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)of a particular presidential candidate?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Calvinist.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Cut it out with the alert stalking please...
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)DUers attacked, shot down and mocked for holding Democratic values dear. I don't want to be a part of any Democratic platform that turns its back on that to win.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)of how boring and mundane they are.
They have to deal with the trauma that Bernie doesn't have millions stashed away in a hidden account in the Caymans
dsc
(52,166 posts)and I pay damn close to the same percent of income taxes as he does. Frankly I do find that interesting to say the least.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)wants to tax the peons and give Goldman-Sachs subsidies.
dsc
(52,166 posts)Under Clinton my taxes would go up nada, nihil, not a single, solitary, red cent. As to his tax rate, he took more in deductions than my entire income. He could have chosen to be less aggressive.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)in point of fact the Clinton's clearly haven't been aggressive in deductions at all and I haven't said any such thing.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Oh...... really...?
And just.. what.. do you mean by..'aggressive..?"
dsc
(52,166 posts)which is rather high given that the highest rate is only 40%. They could have taken way more deductions than they did.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Perhaps check out how deductions work. I assure you they took every penny they could, rather their accounts did.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Not deduct all his mortgage interest?
Not deduct all his property taxes paid?
Not deduct all his state income tax he paid?
Did you even read the return?
I suppose one could argue he could have skipped the meals and entertainment deduction. Big deal. $4k deduction.
dsc
(52,166 posts)his mortgage interest is a rather large amount. His interest was 22,946. Assuming a 6% mortgage he still owes 458,920 on his houses (I presume he owns one in VT and one in the DC area). Assuming he has had those mortgages for 15 years means the value of the houses in total would be over a million. I admit, I wouldn't have thought he had that much mortgage interest. He has been in VT for a very long time and in DC for 25 years. A mortgage is often 30 years so he should be fairly close to paying them off and thus not paying a ton of interest.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Yeah, that $200k income leaves a lot of disposable income room to pay $50k in real estate carrying costs. The upper middle class get some nice tax breaks.
This is why I laugh at whining Joe the plumber type republicans crying about the proposed tax increases on money earned over $250k.
We all knew those "examples" of people claiming to earn $250 were full of shit. Most people in that income bracket are writing off $50k plus. For any increase to kick in, they have to be over $300-350k before any real increases hit. And even then we are only talking about a couple grand.
I have no idea what Sanders' mortgage situation is. I will say I've written 30 year loans for 70 year olds.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)didn't have to be so aggressive, but you are ok with their $150 million dollars but want Sanders not to take all the deductions due him. It seems to me you have a prospective issue.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)maybe they really expected to find something in Bernie's tax returns.
global1
(25,268 posts)If there is nothing to hide and they are as mundane as Bernie's tax records - they will go away too. Unfortunately - by not releasing them it speaks to that she has something to hide.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)(fill in the name of the corp she is addressing). Make the check out to Clinton Cash, and bring my car around."
DJ13
(23,671 posts)people might remember that Hillary promised to release her transcripts.
So, they wont be talking about Bernie's taxes any time in the near future......
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)by Authoritarian Adulation.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)she never promised to release her transcripts. She said she would look into which is different than a promise.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And to hell with perspective, I mean the Clinton Family worth close to $200,000,000 not counting what they can drain from the Foundation. Sanders must have lied about buying some Girl Scout Cookies or something.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Their goal is to sow distrust of Bernie any way they can. They'll keep it up to the end. And then when they stop, they'll expect us to start appreciating them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I doubt there is anything in those, other than higher income, putting him in upper 5%.
TexasTowelie
(112,392 posts)I'd enjoy seeing a few more years prior to that when Jane received her golden parachute. While there is no legal requirement, the standard has become five years worth of returns because a single year doesn't tell the complete story.
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passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Right now they are still on saying the Pope lied.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's the gift that keeps on giving.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)If they don't stop all these butthurt campaigns.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)me out of jury duty. Sadly they think they can silence us. Their whole world view is corrupt.
Cary
(11,746 posts)You are on record as admitting you aren't a Democrat so who is your "us" and who is your "them?"
Is being outvoted in a democracy being "silenced?"
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the 16 million children living in poverty.
There is nothing Democratic or democratic about DU. Sanders supporters are being removed from the jury pools so that the minority here has more power.
Gloat while you can but sooner or later the People will throw the Rich Fat Cats out of our government and then where will you be? Who will you revere then?
Cary
(11,746 posts)You are now on record as being a liar.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And for the record, I've never called another poster here a liar. I think they only let the Conservative side get away with that. Well, give it your best shot.
Cary
(11,746 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I suggest you go find someone else to harass.
Cary
(11,746 posts)You told me you don't vote Democratic. Yes you did.
Spare.me your righteous indignation and your threats.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Your man has to win by 13% and it will be greater after New York.
You need a lot more give.
George II
(67,782 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)What's her excuse now?
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)so the lemmings do not know which turds to fling.
MineralMan
(146,327 posts)I also never really understood the reason for any discussion of his tax forms.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MineralMan
(146,327 posts)No laws require the release of tax forms by presidential candidate, nor are there any laws regarding the release of speech transcripts for speeches given when someone isn't even in office.
It's up to the individual candidates, really. Some may not like their decisions, and can choose to vote based on that. Personally, I don't much care about either issue really. I could probably paraphrase Hillary's speeches without ever having heard them.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Where are the transcripts, Hillary?????????????
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)He's a sneaky bastard for sure! He should release all his tax returns, all the way back to when he was born. At a minimum. He should probably let us see his parents' and grandparents' tax returns, as well. Those middle class people are so deceitful! Hiding their thousands of dollars of deductions and adjustments! It's not just Sanders. All middle class people should have to release their returns. I know they're all in it together. You cannot trust them. Not like rich people. We can trust them. They have only our best interests at heart.