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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:09 PM Apr 2016

Why I Voted for Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders in My State's Primary (New York)

today, I sent in my ballot for the Democratic Primary in New York state absentee (it was postmarked April 18, hence it will be counted)

(pic deleted of a ballot with Hillary filled in)

Why did I vote this way?

For one, Hillary Clinton has experience from going to elite schools (without legacy) to Arkansas top law firms, to reforming education as First Lady of Arkansas, to being a great First Lady of America, a distinguished Senator who helped NY rebuild from September 11, 2001, to the Sec of State who helped repair America's image in the world following the Bush years. She and Bill are a buy-one-get-one-free, and I liked Bill, and look forward to Hillary. As Senator, Hillary forged friendships across the aisle even tho the GOP desperately tried to ruin Bill's presidency (and they did because he threatened and followed thru on tilting the electoral college map to the Democrats). Whatever the GOP claims, Bill Clinton's 60%+ approval ratings in his second term imply that he united the country in a way Dubya did not, and even Obama has not. Hillary also had high FLOTUS job approvals back then and routinely was the most admired woman in America. Aside from being able to work across the aisle, Hillary knows how and when to pick fights, and has practical and doable good ideas to advance economic, environmental, reproductive rights, and American leadership's progress.

I didn't just vote the way I did today to support Hillary. I also voted to oppose Bernie Sanders. Why? He, like Trump, says things many people want to happen but have no clue how to implement it, and in some cases, would not be able to implement it. Or it would backfire. He is a protectionist, which would be bad for our economy, despite free trade being a popular scapegoat. Worst of all, his view of the world, and our national security, would not be in good hands. I think global warming is a huge problem, but no, its not on par with international terrorism and Iranian nukes. He lied about Israel in Gaza. He supported communists in central America.

I look forward to tomorrow when he loses New York in a landslide. Join me in celebration!

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Why I Voted for Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders in My State's Primary (New York) (Original Post) ericson00 Apr 2016 OP
I will happily join you in the celebration. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #1
HRC Supporter - BYE - BYE - Full Ignore Now cantbeserious Apr 2016 #2
That's pretty sad RandySF Apr 2016 #6
Poor l'il poppet Tarc Apr 2016 #9
A lot of Sanders supporters are porcelain RandySF Apr 2016 #26
cantbeserious ignores anyone that disagrees with him/her redstateblues Apr 2016 #31
Wow TMontoya Apr 2016 #32
"She and Bill are a buy-one-get-one" Nuff said. nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #3
You have violated New York law and have committed a criminal misdemeanor JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #4
10. Shows his ballot after it is prepared for voting, to any person so as to reveal the contents, k8conant Apr 2016 #13
The law exists to prevent the selling of votes. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #14
Archaic laws that are rarely enforced aymore Tarc Apr 2016 #15
The law exists to prevent the selling of votes. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #17
K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #5
I proudly stand beside you in your choice, but doubt you stand beside me in mine. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #7
Very well said. It's good to see some positive statements. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #8
I know they are few and far between Seeinghope Apr 2016 #21
Great post. Thanks. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #10
We will go on fighting the Rich and Powerful that control our government. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #11
I'm glad you voted. Marrah_G Apr 2016 #12
cool MFM008 Apr 2016 #16
@HRCeasypay .99center Apr 2016 #18
This brings to mind an old saying edgineered Apr 2016 #19
She reformed education? Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #20
Coz you're scared of change? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #22
Improved education??? angrychair Apr 2016 #23
Excellent post. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #24
Gross. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #25
Were do you guys get these scripts? HassleCat Apr 2016 #27
So I take it you will approve of people that vote to oppose Hillary in any election? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #28
" He supported communists in central America." SHRED Apr 2016 #29
Why do I get the feeling you read all the ad copy on product packaging Half-Century Man Apr 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #33
When you support Hillary, you support... AZ Progressive Apr 2016 #34
You underestimate the threat posed by climate change... mcranor Apr 2016 #35
He didn't lie about Israel in Gaza -- he conflated casualties with deaths. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #36
K & R Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #37

RandySF

(58,885 posts)
6. That's pretty sad
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

This was a mild op that made a positive case for one candidate and you couldn't even cope with that? How do you navigate the world with such blinders?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. Poor l'il poppet
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

I love this. There wasn't even an argument here, a back n forth with lots of fun and nasty words exchanged, which is what usually leads to an ignore. No, just a churlish "I don't like you, nyaa nyaa not listening anymore!" post and you flee.

Pity.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
31. cantbeserious ignores anyone that disagrees with him/her
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:37 PM
Apr 2016

Im curious about what other people think as long as they are civil and if they aren't I just keep walking. some of the ridiculous stuff is amusing.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
17. The law exists to prevent the selling of votes.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

If the poster chooses to break it as an act of defiance, okay. I wanted to make sure they were aware.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
10. Great post. Thanks.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night. My family will be toasting and eating a lot of popcorn!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. We will go on fighting the Rich and Powerful that control our government.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

I would have hoped you'd have thought of the 16 million American children living in poverty that Goldman-Sachs doesn't give a crap about.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
19. This brings to mind an old saying
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

about letting others think something, but not doing it to prove them right. Wish I could remember how it went.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
23. Improved education???
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

A good measure of improving schools is improving graduation rates. HRC was First Lady of Arkansas from 83-92. I would draw your attention to Table 18 in the attached document from the dept of education.
It shows graduation rates and numbers through 1996.
It also show graduation rates fell between 1985 to 1996. All years that would have been impacted by improvements to the state education system....
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98018.pdf

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
24. Excellent post.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

I disagree with the very large majority of it...but that's not the point. You presented (civilly...) your reasons for preferring your candidate. Not nearly enough of that around here... You are one of the few actively-posting Hillary supporters not on my Ignore list. Posts like this, and the person they indicate is behind them, is why.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
27. Were do you guys get these scripts?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

They all start off positive, with complements to Hillary regarding her experience, her resolve, etc. Then they shift to being disappointed in Sanders for his eccentricity, his support of gun makers, etc. At least this one doesn't start by claiming to be a former Sanders supporter.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
29. " He supported communists in central America."
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

Are you for real?

Here's some facts you overlooked.
Hillary was paid heavily for speeches to the same institutions who crashed the economy with their hedge fund schemes and toxic mortgage-backed securities.

Her son-in-law worked 8 years in the hedge fund industry at Goldman Sachs before starting his own hedge fund group into which the Goldman Sachs CEO is invested.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html

And her campaign manager John Podesta (Group) handles PR (public relations) for billions of dollars in arms sales to the Saudis from such big players like Lockheed Martin.
You know Saudi Arabia?... the country responsible for 9/11?
Well the John Podesta Group is essentially a go-between that helps Saudi Arabia with their image to further sales growth in weaponry, etc.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/07/washingtons-multi-million-dollar-saudi-pr-machine

In Latin America her support for coup regimes, militarization, and privatization; trade deals that wreak economic havoc, all of which have resulted in death.

http://www.thenation.com/article/a-voters-guide-to-hillary-clintons-policies-in-latin-america/

"Hillary has nothing to brag about: Her foreign policy record is a disaster"

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/there_is_no_foreign_policy_d_league_hillarys_foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/

She has waffled mightily regarding the potentially disastrous Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal (TPP).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/

She was for fracking and the Keystone XL pipeline before she told us she isn't.

"Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World"
http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

She is a recent convert to supporting same sex marriage after a decade of opposing it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Look...the military industrial banking complex is powerful and they want her at the helm.
The .1%'s gravy train must be protected in their view.

Bottom line...The powers that be are much more comfortable with her as President rather than Bernie.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
30. Why do I get the feeling you read all the ad copy on product packaging
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

but not the list of ingredients?

I implore you to redo your candidate research and use both pro and con articles on both candidates from at least 3 sources. Dig as deep as you can.

Response to ericson00 (Original post)

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
34. When you support Hillary, you support...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:57 PM
Apr 2016

American imperialism, Wall Street banks, corruption, outsourcing, debt slavery, exploitation by the rich, predatory capitalism, taking away power from the American worker, declining living standards for the majority of society, poverty in America, etc...

I hope your happy with yourself.

 

mcranor

(92 posts)
35. You underestimate the threat posed by climate change...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

….ISIS and Iranian nukes are actually insignificant by comparison.

Really!

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
36. He didn't lie about Israel in Gaza -- he conflated casualties with deaths.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

He corrected the mistake when he realized.

He also graduated from an elite university without legacy, btw.

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