2016 Postmortem
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Judging by National Polls, state results since February, and polling matchups vs Republicans, we have a frontrunning candidate in line for the nomination that nobody really likes and who accrued her lead early in the process. Not to mention one who is under investigation by the FBI and could realistically be indicted by the time we get to election day.
My question is, if it continues to remain clear that Hillary will both: be the nominee, and not be able to win the GE, do the SD'd have a duty to step in and make sure that we put up a strong enough candidate to win the GE?
I'm not even saying that this should be Bernie (though if he continues to win, he will have a strong argument), but we can't go into the GE already losing. Not with a candidate like Hillary who does not inspire new folks or independents to rally around her.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)So far like her better than they like him.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)1. It doesn't count caucus goers
2. What does it matter, we don't elect presidents by popular vote
3. What does it matter, she's not winning states at the moment
4. What does it matter, when Trump can claim more popular votes than she can?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)1. Actually it does, as the pre non-important caucus state blitz number was 2.5
2. I'll remember that the next time Camp Sanders parrots the "Sanders leads Clinton 50-49 nationally gibberish.
3. See 2; non-important caucus states.
4. Speaking from white privilege, as most Sanders people do these days. Trump is motivating every person of color in the country at the moment to vote against him.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)1. No. It doesn't. There are a number of caucus states who do not report their popular vote numbers. It is strange and I see no reason for it, but those are the facts.
2. I have no idea what you are talking about here
3. See 2; no idea what point you are making.
4. So the only reason you have for me to vote for a moderate republican (at best) is that she isn't trump and will absolve me of white privilege? Get out of here with that bs.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Those numbers are estimated by the analysts doing the math, so they are accounted for. You BSers are really math-challenged. Maybe it's time to break out your slogan ditty: Liar, liar, pants on fire. Feel the bern!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Also, did you put a lot of thought into that 'ditty"? Make it rhyme next time for maximum funny points.
rock
(13,218 posts)As for proving you wrong, it is unimportant to prove you wrong, you are wrong. I suspect by now you realize it yourself.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)If they like her so much better?
rock
(13,218 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I suggest all do the same.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." -- George Orwell.
30,000 of our roughest men and women lost life and limb on a venture that Clinton blindly voted for. Thirty. Fucking. Thousand. Anyone who can say they're alright with voting for Clinton, in my eyes, doesn't even have a hole left to fit a conscience into.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Most of which have caucuses and are demographically favorable to Sanders he's looking much better. Shocking. What happens now that the upcoming contests are primaries and have favorable demographics for Clinton?
I'm sure you will come up with a new way to discount Clinton's advantage so that if you parse it just so, Sanders isn't losing by a wide margin.
Also it's really silly to argue that Clinton can't win even though she's ahead, so instead the guy she's beating should be handed the nomination against the expressed will of the voters. For months Sanders supporters here screamed that the super delegates were going to steal the nomination from Sanders and now you're openly rooting for it because you realize that Sanders is highly unlikely to win the pledged delegates.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)....the part where I said the nominee did not have to be Sanders, right?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)What we never liked and no democrat should ever like or condone or accept is the idea that the supers had to be committed to one candidate or the other before the votes of the people were even cast.
There are many many votes yet to be cast. Then and only then should anyone claim a winner. Of course since day one some here have been claiming an H win. Shame on them for their anti-democratic shouting!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's pretty overstated, actually. Since she has a substantial lead in pledged delegates and in the popular vote count for these primaries, it's clear that many actually do like Hillary Clinton and want her to be the nominee.
Your premise is faulty, I'm afraid.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)The Democratic Party of FDR has been dead since at least 1994.