2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDespite polls, Repubs "chomping at the bit" to face Bernie instead of Clinton
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-18/despite-polls-republicans-see-sanders-as-an-easier-opponentAnd yet, prominent Republican operatives are chomping at the bit to face Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont and self-described democratic socialist in the general election, believing he'd be an easier opponent than the former first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state.
"Republicans are being nice to Bernie Sanders because we like the thought of running against a socialist. But if he were to win the nomination the knives would come out for Bernie pretty quick," said Ryan Williams, a former spokesman for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney's campaign. "There's no mystery what the attack on him would be.
Bernie Sanders is literally a card carrying socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union. There'd be hundreds of millions of dollars in Republican ads showing hammers and sickles and Soviet Union flags in front of Bernie Sanders." "Hillary Clinton is a much more centrist candidate in comparison," Williams said, and she would have a better chance of winning over moderate and undecided voters, despite numerous polls showing that many Americans, even in the Democratic Party, don't view her as honest and trustworthy. "Bernie's numbers are better than hers right now because she's been in the political arena for 30 years getting beat up," he said.
'Out of the Mainstream'
Doug Heye, a former spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said Clinton would be a tougher opponent due to her foreign policy fluency, "her toughness as a candidate," and the "Clinton attack machine" around hergroups like Correct The Record and Americans United For Change that are active on her behalf. He added that there's less room for the GOP to define Clinton than Sanders as "out of the mainstream."
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Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)""Bernie is nothing to worry about"" they claimed. What they failed to see was the people rising.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)she can't use those attacks on him in a primary because the base is fine with a Socialist who honeymooned in the USSR. Just like Trump can't be attacked in the primary for his views on immigration since the base shares them. But once the general comes around, those views will kill him.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But I realize these are very persuasive arguments around the shuffleboard court.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Did you not hear Priebus the other day?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And how any Democrat could believe that lying piece of shit, is beyond me. No way in hell would they come out and admit that. I don't know one republican that would vote for Bernie. What I keep hearing is how much Bernie "scares" them with his new increase in taxes to pay for all the things he keep promising to voters. Priebus is full of shit, period.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)because they see him as the easier opponent to beat.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)In California we have an open primary but only independents and a select few others can vote for Dems.
Repubs can't.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)There were no states where Bernie won because of Republican votes.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Lots of bullshit flying around.
It has pretty much been that way from the beginning. They was this article last year:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/republicans-should-help-bernie-sanders-weaken-hillary-myra-adams
It's the same crap Rush Limbaugh did in 2008, but he soon realized he made mistake. With Bernie they are going to go all the way, and even if he does not win, they will be able to use all the negative things he has gone to using against her. I am also sure they have a whole lot of things waiting to come out if he should win. Bernie has not been vetted at all, and when Karl Rove puts millions into attack ads that "help" Bernie, you have to know something is wrong.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... during the election.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)First, I remember saying the same thing about Ronnie Raygun, and look at how THAT worked out!
Second, I've had quite a few Pubbies tell me they liked Bernie and if he won they would vote for him, and they ALWAYS vote repug.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Same reasoning we see here: "I hope the opposing party nominates their more ideologically extreme candidate because then the centrists will vote for us." I was happy when they nominated Reagan. Be careful what you wish for, indeed.
The GOP expects to beat Bernie with hammers and sickles? At this point I don't know whether a majority of American citizens even know what the hammer-and-sickle symbol means. Of course, the number who freak out at the sight is even less, and most of those are voting Republican regardless of who wins the Democratic nomination.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)until they didn't.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)...she is more like a Republican.
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RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The republicans are lost in the 60's and are still warmongering. H can out warmonger them and they would love nothing better to focus on war and terror, and with H or them that's what we can expect.
I so look forward to the republicans talking about socialism. Let them bring it up and we can just sit back and point out the good things socialism brings us and how much even they love their socialism bennies.
The mainstream now is peace and taking care of each other, and it will win this election by a landslide, only if Bernie is our candidate. If he is not, the country will go over the cliff Obama managed to stop us from heading over.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)millions of people in this country have been obsessed for years with hating the Clintons
The way Clinton won in 1992 was that Ross Perot split the opposition. Bill only got 43%, but Perot got 19% and killed Bush I's (38%) second term. Who plays that role for Hillary?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)they know BS would be a weaker candidate than Secretary Clinton, with more weak spots to exploit.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...but I wouldn't call Bernie "weak".
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)BS hasn't faced the sharp knives of the right wingnut scorched Earth machine ... and I just don't think he'd fare very well when faced with the lies, the half truths and the truths they would subject him to. And if you don't think they'd go full force against BS, you'd be naive.
Secretary Clinton has faced them for 20+ years, knows what they're capable of and will be in a better position to take them on.
global1
(25,249 posts)The commie stuff was tried at the very beginning of the primary season along with the honeymoon in Russia crap. It didn't work then and it won't work for the Repugs when Bernie wins the nomination. Bernie only became stronger and closed the wide margin with Hillary where some polls now have him ahead nationally. Compared to Hillary they have next to nothing on Bernie. Maybe they can use the fact that Bernie has a D- rating with the NRA. Opposite what Hillary uses against Bernie on guns.
The Repugs know that Bernie is the tougher Dem to beat - that's why they are floating the meme that they would rather face Bernie. They are trying to fake nervous Dems out.
Think of what the Repugs will do with Hillary's FBI investigation. The timing of this coming to a head is after the convention and during the campaign for the GE. The Repugs can't wait to sink their teeth into Hillary. Don't let them fool you.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Priebus says he'd much rather face Clinton.
Id rather run against Hillary Clinton because shes defined, shes not liked. And you know, in a popular cultural vote in America, thats a really important question, and she doesnt do well on that question." -Reince Priebus
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rnc-chair-more-comfortable-running-against-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders
I'd say his opinion is more valid than that of some Romney campaign flunkie or a former RNC spokesman who did such a bang-up job that he no longer works in politics.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)All I see is partisan bickering with Candidate A's supporters saying Candidate B cannot win. Lots of fervor in here but not many facts.
BigBoss26
(25 posts)I mean, is there really any voter left out there that hasn't already heard the Bernie/Socialist thing yet? Hasn't seemed to be a big problem to this point. If anything, the more it gets talked about, and the more people come to actually understand what socialism is, the less of an issue it will be.
They'd be banking on the halfwits that hear "socialism" and think "communism" and then think "OMGSOVIETSCOLDWAR!". But those people were never going to vote for Bernie anyway. Among the people he could actually win(progressives, most Dems, independents, even some disillusioned centrist republicans), this will likely never be the huge issue opponents hope it will be.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)"California Republicans are deeply concerned about immigration, which is Trumps signature issue, said Jack Pitney, a former GOP staffer who is now a professor of politics at Claremont McKenna College."
http://www.marinij.com/article/NO/20160323/NEWS/160329913
Every poll tells us different.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yawn.