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Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:19 PM Apr 2016

Spoke with a NY voter today

She was on the fence for tomorrow, but leaning Hillary. Her reason, Hillary has better experience. She thinks that neither will probably get much done, but Bernie might be too ideological. I said that Bernie is OK, but I'm not comfortable with some of the people that surround him. She said she agreed. She said his supporters were very aggressive and she didn't like it. I wasn't referring to supporters. She was also concerned about his age. She happens to be a millennial andb will be supporting Hillary tomorrow.

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Spoke with a NY voter today (Original Post) Renew Deal Apr 2016 OP
Did you talk about the unicorns? kstewart33 Apr 2016 #1
Not today Renew Deal Apr 2016 #4
Experience in mismanagement? Baobab Apr 2016 #29
She's not running for president of Latin America Renew Deal Apr 2016 #31
she implemented regime change in Libya, and now ISIS has a stronger presence there; the weapons flow amborin Apr 2016 #39
Bernie's plan for Syria is to arm everyone and hope for the best. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #40
They call Latin America "the farm" in Washington, as if its theirs. Baobab Apr 2016 #41
Again, I reject you and your hyperbolic memes. dchill Apr 2016 #2
I didn't notice any hyperbole in the OP. ecstatic Apr 2016 #3
"...Bernie and the bros." dchill Apr 2016 #5
Fair enough. nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #14
Where did you find that in the OP??? nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #45
I was replying to a post. dchill Apr 2016 #46
No you didn't. nt. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #6
Plenty of people are this affected by media bullshit. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #22
So, more accurately, you smeared the vast majority of Democrats under 50 years old. w4rma Apr 2016 #7
I didn't smear anyone Renew Deal Apr 2016 #8
Yes you did. Yes you are. You're running a smear campaign against the vast majority of Democrats w4rma Apr 2016 #9
The "vast majority of Democrats" support Hillary Renew Deal Apr 2016 #11
Bernie Sanders holds a massive 32-point lead over Hillary Clinton with voters under 50 w4rma Apr 2016 #13
Hillary holds a massive 650 delegate lead for the nomination Renew Deal Apr 2016 #18
That's very "democratic" of you to tout your authoritarian's anti-democratic support (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #19
You should have thanked me. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #25
"Miss Leading" Baobab Apr 2016 #42
No shit? How many super-delegate votes have been cast at the convention? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #12
Age. Fuck me runnin'. Age. How about we combine that with a chronic incapacitating cough? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #10
Aggressive? Nah...this is aggressive SHRED Apr 2016 #15
When she said age, did you explain that Hillary is just 5 years younger than Bernie and that jillan Apr 2016 #16
She said, "but Hillary is 68" Renew Deal Apr 2016 #20
Nelson Mandela was 76 when he became the President of South Africa. Once you pass 50 age doesn't jillan Apr 2016 #28
Can Hillary Perform ONE ARM PUSHUPS? Bernie Can! Also Is Bernie Taking Coumadin? NOPE... CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #23
spoke with many NY voters today Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #17
Not anymore Renew Deal Apr 2016 #24
Everybody I knew at the time voted for McGovern redstateblues Apr 2016 #27
I don't believe you. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #21
Ha.. nice try.. read through the posts on DU and it is painfully clear hillary's fans are much berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #26
"muscular" she ordered columnists on her team to use that word to describe her foreign policy Baobab Apr 2016 #34
I spoke to a NY voter today who said he will do anything to keep Hillary out of the White House. jillan Apr 2016 #30
Sheesh - I'm in NY and you do NOT want to know how few people around here are for HRC. jmg257 Apr 2016 #32
I'm pretty sure we'll know exactly how few in 21 hours. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #33
Yes - Should be an interesting day! jmg257 Apr 2016 #35
K & R, thanks for sharing. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #36
cool story... snooper2 Apr 2016 #37
I rarely say this, but this over-the-hill woman posting this doesn't believe ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #38
. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #43
Nope, and I'm an editor by trade. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #44

amborin

(16,631 posts)
39. she implemented regime change in Libya, and now ISIS has a stronger presence there; the weapons flow
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

flowed to Nigeria and helped Boko Haram; she supported arming rebels in Syria, she obstructed the peace plan in 2012 in Syria, all those have big effects on those people's lives, and on our lives

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
40. Bernie's plan for Syria is to arm everyone and hope for the best.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:18 AM
Apr 2016

That seems like a really bad idea.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
41. They call Latin America "the farm" in Washington, as if its theirs.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016

She's friends with Henry Kissinger who should be indicted for crimes against humanity.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
7. So, more accurately, you smeared the vast majority of Democrats under 50 years old.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders holds a massive 32-point lead over Hillary Clinton with voters under 50

Source: The Hill

Clinton holds a 2-point edge nationally over Sanders, 50 to 48 percent, among Democratic primary voters surveyed in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll published Monday.

Clinton held a 9-point lead in the survey last month, besting the Independent Vermont senator, 53 to 44 percent. In January, she led by 25 points, 59 to 34 percent.

Nationally, Sanders leads Clinton, 66 to 32 percent, among white men in the latest poll, 66 to 34 percent among those ages 18–49, and 69 to 29 percent among independents and Republicans.

Meanwhile, Clinton leads 62 to 35 percent among older voters and holds a big lead among Democrats, 59 to 40 percent, over the self-described democratic socialist.

The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters was conducted April 10-14 with a margin of error of 5.32 points.

Read more: http://hill.cm/nipxgBs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1772127

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
8. I didn't smear anyone
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

Weaver and Devine have done what they've done. And you might notice in those poll numbers that they aren't 100 to 0. But since you like numbers...

1307 Hillary
1097 Bernie

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

You don't need to thank me for not posting the real numbers which include super-delegates

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
9. Yes you did. Yes you are. You're running a smear campaign against the vast majority of Democrats
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

who will still be alive for the next elections.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
11. The "vast majority of Democrats" support Hillary
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

Everybody doesn't die after November 8 despite the breathless proclamations that this election is life and death.

I made no comment at all about "millenials" other than the person I spoke with was from that age group.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
13. Bernie Sanders holds a massive 32-point lead over Hillary Clinton with voters under 50
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

Source: The Hill

Clinton holds a 2-point edge nationally over Sanders, 50 to 48 percent, among Democratic primary voters surveyed in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll published Monday.

Clinton held a 9-point lead in the survey last month, besting the Independent Vermont senator, 53 to 44 percent. In January, she led by 25 points, 59 to 34 percent.

Nationally, Sanders leads Clinton, 66 to 32 percent, among white men in the latest poll, 66 to 34 percent among those ages 18–49, and 69 to 29 percent among independents and Republicans.

Meanwhile, Clinton leads 62 to 35 percent among older voters and holds a big lead among Democrats, 59 to 40 percent, over the self-described democratic socialist.

The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters was conducted April 10-14 with a margin of error of 5.32 points.

Read more: http://hill.cm/nipxgBs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1772127

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
25. You should have thanked me.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:47 PM
Apr 2016

Just kidding. Lets be real about this situation. If Bernie doesn't catch up with delegates picked by voters, super-delegates will never flip. And it's just not going to happen for Bernie.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
12. No shit? How many super-delegate votes have been cast at the convention?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

What? The convention won't happen for months? Well fuck me...

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
10. Age. Fuck me runnin'. Age. How about we combine that with a chronic incapacitating cough?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

And toss in a traumatic brain injury for good measure?

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
15. Aggressive? Nah...this is aggressive
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary is aggressive.

Hillary was paid heavily for speeches to the same institutions who crashed the economy with their hedge fund schemes and toxic mortgage-backed securities.

Her son-in-law worked 8 years in the hedge fund industry at Goldman Sachs before starting his own hedge fund group into which the Goldman Sachs CEO is invested.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html

And her campaign manager John Podesta (Group) handles PR (public relations) for billions of dollars in arms sales to the Saudis from such big players like Lockheed Martin.
You know Saudi Arabia?... the country responsible for 9/11?
Well the John Podesta Group is essentially a go-between that helps Saudi Arabia with their image to further sales growth in weaponry, etc.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/07/washingtons-multi-million-dollar-saudi-pr-machine

In Latin America her support for coup regimes, militarization, and privatization; trade deals that wreak economic havoc, all of which have resulted in death.

http://www.thenation.com/article/a-voters-guide-to-hillary-clintons-policies-in-latin-america/

"Hillary has nothing to brag about: Her foreign policy record is a disaster"

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/there_is_no_foreign_policy_d_league_hillarys_foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/

She has waffled mightily regarding the potentially disastrous Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal (TPP).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/

She was for fracking and the Keystone XL pipeline before she told us she isn't.

"Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World"
http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

She is a recent convert to supporting same sex marriage after a decade of opposing it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

jillan

(39,451 posts)
16. When she said age, did you explain that Hillary is just 5 years younger than Bernie and that
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is in better health?

Nah - didn't think so.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
20. She said, "but Hillary is 68"
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

So she was aware of it.

But I did say that "I have a hard time seeing Bernie go two terms, though the Pope started his reign at 73." She said the pope is different and I agree.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
28. Nelson Mandela was 76 when he became the President of South Africa. Once you pass 50 age doesn't
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

mean a damn thing.

It's all about HEALTH!

Hillary has health problems, clots, thyroid, she had that fainting spell that ended up in a concussion.
Bernie does not. He has arthritis.

I only see one candidate running from morning shows, to rallies, walking on the streets shaking hands and back to another rally....and that is the 74 year old.

It's all about Health.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
23. Can Hillary Perform ONE ARM PUSHUPS? Bernie Can! Also Is Bernie Taking Coumadin? NOPE...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

But guess what... Hillary IS! Hillary has some serious health issues....

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
26. Ha.. nice try.. read through the posts on DU and it is painfully clear hillary's fans are much
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

more aggressive. Read your OP again.. you contradict yourself..

jillan

(39,451 posts)
30. I spoke to a NY voter today who said he will do anything to keep Hillary out of the White House.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

So fucking what? Did I start a thread about it? Nope. Mentioned it to a couple of other Bernie supporters but did not feel the need to boast about it.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
32. Sheesh - I'm in NY and you do NOT want to know how few people around here are for HRC.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

Including millennials

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
38. I rarely say this, but this over-the-hill woman posting this doesn't believe
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

this story. Sorry. It's too pat.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
43. .
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

At the start, the woman is leaning Hillary, at the end the OP writes that the voter will be voting for Hillary.

It doesn't ring true. And when we phonebank for Bernie we are screening, not having discussions trying to sway voters.

Doesn't smell right.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
44. Nope, and I'm an editor by trade.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

I would send this back to the author for a better transition because readers wouldn't pay for it and it would get horrible reviews. Writing believable fiction is harder than people think.

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