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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:43 AM Apr 2016

WTF moment: Sanders Says He Hasn’t Read Classified Pages of 9/11 Report

Because He Doesn’t Want to Lie


The difficulty is, you see, then if you read them you’re gonna ask me a question, you’re gonna say “you read ‘em, what’s in ‘em?” And now I can tell you honestly I have not read them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=501&v=Z96pb2f95Jw
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WTF moment: Sanders Says He Hasn’t Read Classified Pages of 9/11 Report (Original Post) factfinder_77 Apr 2016 OP
The dog ate his homework again nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
Not good at all KingFlorez Apr 2016 #2
When Bernie gets off his talking points he is lost redstateblues Apr 2016 #3
But he's awesome when he gives that same stump speech over and over griffi94 Apr 2016 #28
Has Hilliary read them? Perogie Apr 2016 #4
Exactly. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #5
Bernie is on the Budget committee, Environment Cmte & Veterans cmte. If he was on jillan Apr 2016 #7
People she knows through her work are in them. Octafish Apr 2016 #11
She didn't read the NIE before voting for war... Human101948 Apr 2016 #26
Is "WTF" necessary? Impedimentus Apr 2016 #6
+100! jillan Apr 2016 #9
Answer the fucking question. HAS HILLARY READ THEK. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #8
He is running to be the democratic nominee for President factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #14
Hillary didn't hesitate to vote for the Iraq war without reading intelligence reports Human101948 Apr 2016 #29
He doesn't have a relevant committee assignment Recursion Apr 2016 #10
Rep. Massie speaks at Press Conference Regarding the secret 9/11 Documents factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #15
Yeah, Republicans like Massie also have trouble digesting the unclassified parts of the report Recursion Apr 2016 #16
Hard concept for Hillary voters? Not wanting to lie? Joob Apr 2016 #12
A candidate for President *doesn't want to know* about America's biggest national security failure. baldguy Apr 2016 #18
Context calms faux outrage. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #20
The 9/11 Report has nothing to do with the IWR. But you knew that. baldguy Apr 2016 #22
We may be talking about two different issues here - I thought IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #38
Sanders: Declassify the Infamous 28 Pages from the 9/11 Report factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #13
Interesting! Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #17
Hillary never read the Iraq war intelligence report even though she voted for it jfern Apr 2016 #19
Once again I don't understand what he is saying. betsuni Apr 2016 #21
Sanders doesn't have a problem with lying. baldguy Apr 2016 #23
Yeah, the more I know about him, the more naive he seems. betsuni Apr 2016 #25
He's far from a lightweight...imo. PragmaticLiberal Apr 2016 #33
Mediumweight then. betsuni Apr 2016 #40
He also didn't vote for the Iraq War which Bush and his horde of democratic traders used 9/11 VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #24
that was a strange answer - since all he had to say was he was bound not to divulge the contents DrDan Apr 2016 #27
In an alternate universe, the dialog goes something like this... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #30
Did Hillary read them??? Did she read the fucking NIE before she voted to kill thousands and... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #35
the larger question is...Why is Hillary still friendly Jack Bone Apr 2016 #31
No, the OP is very important. Changing the subject is a Rove tactic riversedge Apr 2016 #32
So is avoiding the question or obfuscating a Rovian tactic. Can you answer the question, or not? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #36
had you watched 60 minutes...you'd know Jack Bone Apr 2016 #37
Sanders is asked: You are allowed to read them, will you..? factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #39
Did Hillary read them??? Did she read the fucking NIE before she voted to kill thousands and... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #34

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
28. But he's awesome when he gives that same stump speech over and over
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

He may not be able to answer any questions but you have to admit
he's got that stump speech down cold.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
7. Bernie is on the Budget committee, Environment Cmte & Veterans cmte. If he was on
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

the foreign relations committee then it would be a concern.

Just more hot air, more kitchen sinks!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. People she knows through her work are in them.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:14 AM
Apr 2016

"Social Networks" by the late Mark Lombardi in 2000:



Bill Clinton, the Lippo Group, and Jackson
Stephens of Little Rock,Arkansas (5th Version) 1999
Colored pencil and graphite on paper

SOURCE: http://www.pierogi2000.com/2011/03/mark-lombardi-at-pierogi/lombardibillclintonlippo5/

MORE: http://www.flashpointmag.com/mlpic.htm

BACKGROUND: BCCI IN THE UNITED STATES

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
6. Is "WTF" necessary?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:10 AM
Apr 2016

Why the need to add juvenile emotion to the post? Can't you simply ask a question without trying to get attention using puerile hyperbole?

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. He doesn't have a relevant committee assignment
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, VA maybe, but that would only really apply to servicemembers wounded at the Pentagon. Even with a clearance you don't just go read stuff you don't particularly have a need to know.

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
15. Rep. Massie speaks at Press Conference Regarding the secret 9/11 Documents
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:24 AM
Apr 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=55&v=ItE28oeMnas

I had to stop every couple pages and … try to rearrange my understanding of history. It challenges you to rethink everything.”

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Yeah, Republicans like Massie also have trouble digesting the unclassified parts of the report
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:26 AM
Apr 2016

Remember when Ron Paul got excoriated for quoting it?

Joob

(1,065 posts)
12. Hard concept for Hillary voters? Not wanting to lie?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:18 AM
Apr 2016

Why is Saudi Arabia threatening OUR Country if we release them? So they don't get embarrassed?
You're defending this? People died, they want answers. And until he's in a position where he could ACTUALLY give them, he does NOT need to read them. Because He wouldn't be able to TELL anyone yet.


What's wrong with you?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
18. A candidate for President *doesn't want to know* about America's biggest national security failure.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:52 AM
Apr 2016

This alone absolutely disqualifies him for that office.

What's wrong with you?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
20. Context calms faux outrage.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:03 AM
Apr 2016

They were sent to Congress in 2002. After receiving the report AT THE TIME he made the CORRECT response and voted AGAINST the Iraqi War Resolution.

Hillary received the same report and voted FOR the IWR.

The implication is pretty clear - one read it at the time, the other didn't.

Fourteen years later, Bernie is being asked if he has "read" (specifically) the recently "declassified" sections. He is answering truthfully that he has not. There is really no point to doing so. He has known the content for FOURTEEN YEARS. He knows what Bush and his enablers did. So do you.

He is not in a position to do anything about it. YET.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
22. The 9/11 Report has nothing to do with the IWR. But you knew that.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

And calling for the declassification of something he hasn't read, and thus does not know the content of is the height of irresponsibility.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
38. We may be talking about two different issues here - I thought
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

we were discussing the recently declassified sections of the 92 page report sent to Congress dealing with the fact that there was no justification for the Iraq War.

Now I am thinking you are talking about the recently declassified information on how the Bush administration stymied investigation into Saudi involvement?

Apologies if I confused the two! If I did, I am going to return to "it was 15 years ago and not a lot anyone running for President can do about it at the moment - everyone paying attention knew about it years ago."

This is not to minimize the importance of the "proof" but faux outrage means nothing unless someone is in a position to do something and President Obama is that person at the moment.

Unfortunately, for reasons we do not know, he is not pursuing this (that I have heard about).

The Saudi system is very different than ours - I do not pretend to understand the intricacies of their family and dynastic policy issues. All I can say is "what a mess!"

jfern

(5,204 posts)
19. Hillary never read the Iraq war intelligence report even though she voted for it
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:58 AM
Apr 2016

The Chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, Bob Graham, said every Senator should read it, and he voted against the war.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
23. Sanders doesn't have a problem with lying.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:29 AM
Apr 2016

He has a problem with things that might tarnish his halo, like when he has to stop dealing with overblown & false rhetoric and needs to deal with reality.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
33. He's far from a lightweight...imo.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

But with that being said, I don't believe he's particulary well rounded as a candidate.

Income inequality is his focus (he's right) and the other things in the grand scheme of things are afterthoughts to him.

At least that's the impression I have.



VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
24. He also didn't vote for the Iraq War which Bush and his horde of democratic traders used 9/11
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

as a cudgel to invade Iraq with. Clinton voted for it, and read literally NONE of the intel reports about the situation before condemning 30,000+ servicemen and women to death and maiming. This is a nonissue.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
27. that was a strange answer - since all he had to say was he was bound not to divulge the contents
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

I sense a lack of interest - not a becoming trait

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
30. In an alternate universe, the dialog goes something like this...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:22 AM
Apr 2016

NSA: "Here's your Daily Briefing, President Sanders..."
POTUS: "Wait, wait ... don't show it to me! Best that I don't know."
NSA: "But why?"
POTUS: "Because the press may ask me questions, and I'll be able to honestly say that I don't know."
NSA: "Oh. Okay. I guess that makes sense."

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
35. Did Hillary read them??? Did she read the fucking NIE before she voted to kill thousands and...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:47 AM
Apr 2016

...THOUSANDS of innocent people, including thousands of our kids injured and killed in the bogus war she voted for??

Answer my questions!

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
31. the larger question is...Why is Hillary still friendly
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

with the Saudi's?

selling jets to them as Sec. of State...taking their $ for the foundation, and taking who knows what from them for her PACs?

Maybe she's just used to "palling around with terrorists".

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
37. had you watched 60 minutes...you'd know
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

The Bush Admin kept these "un-redacted" pages in a secure vault, with something similar to a "need-to-know" clearance to view them.

as previously stated, Sen. Sanders doesn't meet that criteria, BUT Sec. Clinton has seen them...hence my question

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
39. Sanders is asked: You are allowed to read them, will you..?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

So implying that he is not allowed to do so is untruthful

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
34. Did Hillary read them??? Did she read the fucking NIE before she voted to kill thousands and...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

...THOUSANDS of innocent people, including thousands of our kids injured and killed in the bogus war she voted for??

Answer my questions!

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