2016 Postmortem

Baobab

(4,667 posts) Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:09 AM Apr 2016

"Hillary Was Nowhere to Be Seen in the Fight for 15—I Should Know"

Hillary Was Nowhere to Be Seen in the Fight for 15—I Should Know: Hillary’s “support” is welcome, and a sign that our movement has come far, but let’s be clear: She hasn’t always supported a $15 minimum wage.

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-was-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-the-fight-for-15-i-should-know/

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"Hillary Was Nowhere to Be Seen in the Fight for 15—I Should Know" (Original Post) Baobab Apr 2016 OP

I think that, rather than "support", Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #1

It's also flip-flopping. dchill Apr 2016 #3

She will support it when it is politically expedient and change her position when it is not. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #2

There is no law that politicians can't do any thing they want Baobab Apr 2016 #9

Hillary's idea of "support" is basically showing up for the photo op after it passes Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #4

What she supported was throwing the minions a bone -- KPN Apr 2016 #6

I have stuff in my fridge that's older than Hillary's support for Fight for 15 RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #5

So do I. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #7

ROFL Hillarious! Live and Learn Apr 2016 #8

Not her fault. She was pinned down by sniper fire. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #10

She said she misspoke about the sniper fire. Perhaps this is another one of those misspoken problems Impedimentus Apr 2016 #11

She also said sleep dep. That occurred over a period of years, apparently. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #14

Truth dep. ? Impedimentus Apr 2016 #19

Good one. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #20

KNR amborin Apr 2016 #12

she has clarified her position on this. if she is president and it is passed by congress and if the hollysmom Apr 2016 #13

Another clarification - how refreshing. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #15

As with all her other obfuscations, Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #17

I keep on hearing from her supporters kaleckim Apr 2016 #21

Hillary has been consistent on her position on the minimum wage. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #16

so she does NOT support it as the federal minimum wage but ok on a city by city bases? hollysmom Apr 2016 #18

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)

1. I think that, rather than "support",

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:13 AM

Apr 2016

it's "grandstanding".

dchill

(38,497 posts)

3. It's also flip-flopping.

Reply to Art_from_Ark (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:21 AM

Apr 2016

Impedimentus

(898 posts)

2. She will support it when it is politically expedient and change her position when it is not.

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:14 AM

Apr 2016

No need to be surprised, it's her nature to put political expediency above all else, including integrity.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Baobab

(4,667 posts)

9. There is no law that politicians can't do any thing they want

Reply to Impedimentus (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:28 AM

Apr 2016

after an election. Nor is there any law that they have to tell the truth.

its all a big game for them with people's lives.

People don't own this country, corporations do.

So THEY are getting rights to sue the taxpayers.

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)

4. Hillary's idea of "support" is basically showing up for the photo op after it passes

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:21 AM

Apr 2016

KPN

(15,646 posts)

6. What she supported was throwing the minions a bone --

Reply to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:24 AM

Apr 2016

something like $10 initially -- to pacify them. After Bernie got traction she came up with the "I prefer to be realistic and therefore support and will do everything I can to fight for a $12 minimum wage!"

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)

5. I have stuff in my fridge that's older than Hillary's support for Fight for 15

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:22 AM

Apr 2016

Hats off to Kshama Sawant, a courageous trailblazer and truth teller.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)

7. So do I.

Reply to RufusTFirefly (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:24 AM

Apr 2016

It's embarrassing.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)

8. ROFL Hillarious!

Reply to RufusTFirefly (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:25 AM

Apr 2016

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)

10. Not her fault. She was pinned down by sniper fire. n/t

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:37 AM

Apr 2016

Impedimentus

(898 posts)

11. She said she misspoke about the sniper fire. Perhaps this is another one of those misspoken problems

Reply to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:43 AM

Apr 2016

Seems to happen a lot with the Secretary.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)

14. She also said sleep dep. That occurred over a period of years, apparently. n/t

Reply to Impedimentus (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:50 AM

Apr 2016

Impedimentus

(898 posts)

19. Truth dep. ?

Reply to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:54 AM

Apr 2016

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)

20. Good one. n/t

Reply to Impedimentus (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:56 AM

Apr 2016

amborin

(16,631 posts)

12. KNR

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:45 AM

Apr 2016

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)

13. she has clarified her position on this. if she is president and it is passed by congress and if the

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:49 AM

Apr 2016

minimum of $15 is optional and not required so some cities and stated can have less and if the republicans agree with it so it is bipartisan, well okey dokey a not mandatory $15 minimum. see how easy that is, I got it from from Pro-Clinton Slate (not pro-sanders salon - hee) but hey she kind of sort of supports it. if it is not mandatory.

Hillary Clinton Finally Explains What It Would Take for Her to Support a $15 Minimum Wage

Impedimentus

(898 posts)

15. Another clarification - how refreshing.

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:51 AM

Apr 2016

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)

17. As with all her other obfuscations,

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:53 AM

Apr 2016

I couldn't decipher what the fuck she said. The only time in a debate when I'm sure what she means is when she uses President Obama as a human shield.

kaleckim

(651 posts)

21. I keep on hearing from her supporters

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:45 AM

Apr 2016

how much specificity matters (LOL!). Do they have uniform standards, cause her explanations are muddled at best? Kind of obvious that she answers something that doesn't really clarify anything, her advisers meet with her to feed her talking points (surely based on the best polls on the issues that money can buy), and she tries to explain her position better, and often with top, lawyer crafted answers that often allow her to change positions later. For example, when she comically tried to say that guns from Vermont were a huge problem in NY, she had to throw in per capita numbers, which is horribly manipulative. That doesn't always work, and you saw Sanders call her out for it during the debate, so the process starts again. Somehow, her followers miss this. Mao ain't got nothing on that hero worship.

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)

16. Hillary has been consistent on her position on the minimum wage.

Reply to Baobab (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:51 AM

Apr 2016

And she supports $15 minimum in places that can afford it. Some places can't.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/17/hillary-clinton-minimum-wage-cities-states-small-businesses

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/money/9-ways-hillary-clintons-financial-plan-may-affect-your-wallet

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Jobs.htm

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)

18. so she does NOT support it as the federal minimum wage but ok on a city by city bases?

Reply to Jitter65 (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:54 AM

Apr 2016

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the conversation is on a federal minimum wage, not anything else - so just say she does not support it - but NNOooOOOOooOOOoo she has to try and make it confusing.

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