2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Supporters...
...come from all walks of life. Many are Gen Xers (like myself), the forgotten generation that gets drowned out in the boisterous outbursts of Baby Boomers and Millennials. Many are seniors (like my dad) who don't feel comfortable supporting an establishment that has been okay in the past with putting Social Security "on the table." Many are parents, who live in fear of their daughters and sons being sent off to fight another war for those who couldn't care less about their future prospects. Many of them have vaginas... that does not make them sexist or betraying their own gender. Many have given up on ever seeing change, and this is a last-ditch attempt for them.
Many are "Bernie or Bust" because they are not our generation and to think we have everyone in our proverbial pocket when GE time comes around is to make a grave mistake. For whatever reason, they've made that decision. I can't do this, but I understand what is going through their heads and think we should work to change that instead of pushing them away.
What a good majority are NOT: violent, sexist, racist people. To paint them as such says more about the painter than the portrait he is creating.
I do not, and would not, paint a Hillary supporter in this manner. I may question their stories and argue the issues (however little that happens these days), but THAT is what we are here for.
I have been pretty quiet in my support because I was not a full-force Bernie supporter, but given the choice, I had to support the candidate who most aligns with my ideals and the actual issues (bullshit about pope visits, racism, hidden "wealth," etc aside).
If your number one campaign tactic, as a supporter, is to belittle, degrade or attack (a true attack, frequent alerter, not just a disagreement) another... perhaps you need to rethink your support (of either candidate) and revisit your candidate's campaign page. I'm sure he/she would want you to.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)"I'm better than the Republicans."
If that is the message we have going into the GE we are toast.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)We were, and many still are, the party of substance and policy, rather than a mob of angry attack thugs, focused on smear tactics and swift boating. I suppose Hiring people like David the slut shaming smear merchant Brock can corrupt even the way a Democrat's campaign is run, and how it's followers behave. I get angry at times and fight back, but my reasons have to do with the swift-boating tactics and other crap myself and others are constantly assaulted with and nothing more. Perhaps I should be less the "stand up to the bully sort" and more the "patience of Job sort" as Sanders tends to be.
Unfortunately I have always despised bullies and it is practically hard wired in my system to respond to them as I would when they pushed around my less capable of self defense friends in school for reasons of feeling protective of them (I was the honor student that grew up learning to fight in an unforgiving and unkind poor environment that also studied martial arts) my friends were in my advanced classes and were largely nerds that spent more time studying and less time learning self defense. So I became what I became for the reasons I did.
Very disturbing.
Very disheartening.
To see the GOP tactics and bulling.
I apologize for falling for the bait so often and engaging them out of anti-bully conditioning.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I just couldn't stand the absolute fibbery going on lately.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)of the more offensive ones, verbally, yet without showing any mercy as I should.
You behave very well, even under these conditions.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I hope it wasn't too late to tell you that I do.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I don't feel I deserve such a sentiment and yet I am proud and touched to hear them (or rather read them I suppose). So rather than use words to reply, such inadequate vessels to convey such complex things as feelings, thoughts or the depth of either.....
To define:
Terms may be used
But are none of them absolute.
In the beginning of heaven and earth there were no words,
Words came out of the womb of matter;
And whether a man dispassionately
Sees to the core of life
Or passionately
Sees the surface,
The core and the surface
Are essentially the same,
Words making them seem different
Only to express appearance.
If name be needed, wonder names them both:
From wonder into wonder
Existence opens.
Lao Tzu
Zira
(1,054 posts)Her support has been on a steady decline since she started and it's going down hill faster now.
Bernie's support has been going up the whole time and is rising faster.
Hillary is too unpopular. Only voter suppression will get her more delegates.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)while there have been some sketchy actions of her campaign members, (yes attempts at actual fraud), it's not Hillary doing that, it's some of her supporters.
I believe if Hillary wins it will be by vote, and it will be because people don't really know what they are voting for.
Zira
(1,054 posts)And much of the media goes back to being donors to Hillary.
She has the most corrupt campaign I've seen in my life time. Our mass media outlets are all on display here - news papers, radio stations and news channels. Amazing the mass effort to stop a guy who wants to put an end to corruption. The DNC is on display here.
The 1% and it's power is on display here.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I'm not blaming Hillary for the system we have now. She is part of it, not the cause of it. I want to see the system changed so the media cannot do what they are doing now. Like the fair rules we used to have, and no money buying the media.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)base prefers her.
Scoreboard.
Also, he's only been competitive overall because he ran up the score in ultra-low turnout caucuses.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And surprised to find out the democratic base does not support her. The new democrats support her, but many many dems are not new dems and are waking up more each day as this campaign progresses to what is at stake.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)come to grips with reality when the election results come in tonight.
Joob
(1,065 posts)Trying to do better, thanks post
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)(I also regret things I post often) You aren't alone. This has been over-the-top contentious, and I thought 2004 was bad.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)DNFTEC!
Do
Not
Feed
The
Energy
Creatures!
There have always been Energy Creatures, or ECs, on DU. Some of the names are familiar. I've seen them trolling around since I joined back in 2004. In the context of the primary, they appear as Hillary opponents and Bernie opponents. Instead of being driven by any positive feelings or actions their own candidate might inspire in them, their posting is driven by contempt for "the other guy's candidate." And that contempt is usually expressed as contempt for "the other guy" too. Recognize them for what they are. They are ECs.
ECs sap the hope and confidence we need to bring about change of any kind. They take up time. They suck the life out of things. There is no reasoning because there is no dialog. ECs don't post calls to action. They complain, namecall, and attack.
It's my new mantra. DNFTEC DNFTEC... Do not engage. Do not answer. Do not feed.
It's hard to see a negative -- to see those who refuse to engage in candidate bashing -- but we are out here.
Sometimes in GD-P it's not obvious from an OP title that the post is an EC attack on Bernie or Hillary, but it becomes clear when you click on it. In those instances, I check out the number of views the post got relative to the number of distinct posters who applauded and piled on the attack. When you consider those numbers, it becomes clear that there are a whole lot of people who took one look and said "Nope, not going there." Gives me a little hope that the ECs are a relatively small, albeit very "vocal," contingent here on DU.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... or polls can say right now and is a fact not in dispute.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I know of one "type" of Hillary supporter, and that is about it. And I don't think they are "violent" people. That speaks more than any words typed in response to my post.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)are really not in touch with the realities of the modern Democratic party and its members.
Sorry, that is the truth. Her coalition is much more diverse than the Sanders coalition, and it shows in the states she wins--bigger, more diverse.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I suggest you get out more and talk to more people.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I have reached a point where I could not care less if they vote for Trump.