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Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:17 AM Apr 2016

27 TIMES: BERNIE SANDERS OR CAMPAIGN SAID THEY WOULD, COULD, OR MUST WIN NEW YORK PRIMARY

OK - The last couple of days I have read multiple posts about how Mr. Sanders doesn't need New York, he never said he was going to win, wasn't supposed to win . . YADA YADA YADA, so here ya go.

http://correctrecord.org/27-times-previewing-bernies-we-will-win-tuesday/

Samples from the link:

26. March 4: Tad Devine: “We’re gonna have to beat her in some decisive battleground states. Big states, like probably New York.”

23. March 8: Tad Devine pointed to New York as a “big showdown” where Sanders has “got to beat her.” “Sanders’ senior strategist Tad Devine did not dispute Mook’s claims that they need big wins to survive. ‘We know we’ve got to beat her in some big showdowns,’ he said, pointing to New York, where Clinton served as senator for eight years, as a prime target. ‘It’s his home state, too,’ Devine told POLITICO on Tuesday. ‘When we go to a place and spend ten days campaigning there, it’s going to be big.’”

20. March 16: Tad Devine: “We just have to win some major showdowns, like in New York.”

16. March 31: Bernie Sanders said he would have a lead in New York by Election Day. “BLANCA ROSA VILCHEZ: We began our interview with Sen. Bernie Sanders with the polls that show him losing in NY and winning in WI. BERNIE SANDERS: We are closing the gap and there were polls that had us 30pts down, we’re 12 pts down now and I think by Election Day we’ll be ahead.”

More at the link above

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27 TIMES: BERNIE SANDERS OR CAMPAIGN SAID THEY WOULD, COULD, OR MUST WIN NEW YORK PRIMARY (Original Post) Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 OP
And your point is?????????????????? KPN Apr 2016 #1
i'm confused too Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #3
Apparently we can add English to the list with math Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #16
math. Hillary is now LESS than 8% ahead in pledged delegates Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #18
math. There is now a 14% spread between Hillary and Sanders in delegate targets for the nom Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #22
are they including super delegates? please show the equation they used Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #35
Go to the link and do your own homework. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #38
i did. i even showed the math in my post. where did you get the 14% you posted? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #39
Hillary is +7% of her delegate target, Sanders is -7% of his target. The spread is then 14%. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #40
i am not talking about targets. i am talking about actual real delegate counts. Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #42
You were responding to a post about delegate targets. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #43
Nice work jcgoldie Apr 2016 #23
I don't even think the author had a point. A lot of wasted effort and words if you ask me. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #5
Correcting The Record of course Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #33
The point is meaningless shit stirring Armstead Apr 2016 #41
And? jmg257 Apr 2016 #2
What is the relevance of this post? Impedimentus Apr 2016 #4
This OP reminds me Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #6
At least I understand the relevance of month old bananas. No so with the OP. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #8
bananas shouldn't be refrigerated Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #34
Math, English Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #50
And ??? SamKnause Apr 2016 #7
YES, he NEEDS to win New York. NO, he won't win New York. That's why... Corporate666 Apr 2016 #9
At least catch up if you're presuming to be spouting "facts." JudyM Apr 2016 #19
Pay no mind to phantom DUer's. nt Snotcicles Apr 2016 #27
Catch up with what? Corporate666 Apr 2016 #52
Oh, my. So you think we all should just quit if he doesn't win NY? That IS what you are implying, djean111 Apr 2016 #10
So he DOESN'T need to win NY today? Corporate666 Apr 2016 #11
He needs to win NY, or come very close. delrem Apr 2016 #13
So David Brock's PAC counted it out. That's impressive. delrem Apr 2016 #12
since hc can not raise money from regular people she has to use brock the (insert evil name) questionseverything Apr 2016 #29
Is there something magic about 27? robbedvoter Apr 2016 #14
Well, its digits add up to 9 Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #15
$27 donations. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #26
Nice job they've done of expressing how important it is for Bernie's supporters... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #17
Nice job they've done of illustrating that a loss today will place the nomination out of reach Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #20
Why should I put any stock in 538? If I recall, Silver was wrong on Sanders' viability... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #21
You don't have to put any stock in gravity if you don't want to either Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #25
27 TIMES: LOSING TEAM'S PLAYERS GET CALLED OUT IN A BASEBALL GAME jmg257 Apr 2016 #24
27 times, Hillary said she'd release her speech transcripts. floriduck Apr 2016 #28
I posted evidence, you posted fantasy and blather Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #37
No, your OP cited David Brock's crap site. floriduck Apr 2016 #44
No, I posted direct quotes. You failed to do the same. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #46
I'm not trivializing mental illness. floriduck Apr 2016 #48
So now you show yourself to be disingenuous as well as insensitive. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #49
We don't need to win NY griffi94 Apr 2016 #30
He has to win closed primary states. apnu Apr 2016 #31
I think the relevant point here is firebrand80 Apr 2016 #32
I don't care what he says. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #36
The most inane threads are like zombies, they refuse to die. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #45
So what???? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #47
New York is a must win for Sanders and he has to win by a large margin Gothmog Apr 2016 #51

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
16. Apparently we can add English to the list with math
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

but I digress. Allow me to assist.

* Mr. Sanders & his campaign billed NY as a "have to" win state, as outlined in the post.
* Mr. Sanders & his campaign have since strapped a couple of jet engines to the goalposts. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511767355

But in reality (getting back to that whole pesky "math" thing) - http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/ he was correct at the outset. He really does have to win it.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
18. math. Hillary is now LESS than 8% ahead in pledged delegates
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

Still don't understand why typical campaign rah! rah! language is all of the sudden being parsed to the nth degree.

Issue avoidance syndrome?

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
22. math. There is now a 14% spread between Hillary and Sanders in delegate targets for the nom
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

and that percentage will increase by a non-trivial amount within 24 hours.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
35. are they including super delegates? please show the equation they used
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

On tuesday, she had 54% of pledged delegates, Bernie had 46%. 8% difference, with 40% yet to vote.
Now, she has lost a few since then, and Bernie gained a few, so how is that now 14%??

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
40. Hillary is +7% of her delegate target, Sanders is -7% of his target. The spread is then 14%.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

That spread will increase in less than 24 hours.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
4. What is the relevance of this post?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:20 AM
Apr 2016

How is this post going to affect your, or anyone else's life? What is the particular significance of the numbers 26, 23, 20 and 16 - are they perhaps related to the phases of Venus?

Thank you.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Corporate666

(587 posts)
9. YES, he NEEDS to win New York. NO, he won't win New York. That's why...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:24 AM
Apr 2016

he's already a failed candidate.

He is over 200 pledged delegates down. MUCH more when you count supers.

His deficit will only get worse later today. Unless he wins by at LEAST 10 points, he's screwed.

And the reality is he's going to lose NY. Probably by a lot more than 10 points.


RIP Sanders Campaign.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
52. Catch up with what?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

Are you talking about the 194 number that has already been debunked?

Oh the iron knee!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. Oh, my. So you think we all should just quit if he doesn't win NY? That IS what you are implying,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:03 AM
Apr 2016

right? Nope.

Before you start quoting a candidate who is running for office and would like to win in ALL the states, let me remind you that Hillary, on a constant and regular basis, says things many many times. And then says the opposite. On big and really important and life-affecting stuff.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
11. So he DOESN'T need to win NY today?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:08 AM
Apr 2016

I'd say winning NY is life affecting stuff for his campaign. Tomorrow 15% of all remaining delegates will be won or lost. If his last 7 wins in small states with low delegate counts were indicative of a shift in voter support, then he will win NY tomorrow.

If he does not win NY today, then the past 7 races were just coincidence that 7 Sanders-favorable contests happened together.

More importantly, it's not just about whether there's been a nationwide shift in voter support, it's about the delegates. He's pretty much out of time and MUST win NY today Not just win, but win by a big margin... 12 points... to be on track to where he needs to be.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
13. He needs to win NY, or come very close.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:15 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary needs to win big.
It is Hillary who came into this with a 90+ to almost nothing advantage.
It is Hillary who came into this with support from the DLC and all Dems in hock to the DLC, which is a shitload of Dems.

The Clintons bought up "the establishment $"when she and her husband took in those $200million, when their Foundation took in $2billion. No other candidate in history has been so brazen.

This is black and white.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
12. So David Brock's PAC counted it out. That's impressive.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:08 AM
Apr 2016

You guys, I mean you, dispersing David Brock's PAC talking points, are very impressive.

You're like an energy bunny transformed into a roomba, set on its way by citizens united to do the work of idiots.

questionseverything

(9,655 posts)
29. since hc can not raise money from regular people she has to use brock the (insert evil name)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

she is already illegally "borrowing" from down ticket money

In a letter to the DNC, the Sanders campaign describes how Clinton may be commingling funds between her joint fundraising committee with the DNC’s Hillary Victory Fund (HVF) and her campaign fund Hillary For America (HFA) by having HVA subsidize and even make “impermissible in-kind” contributions to HFA directly.

The letter points out that $15 million was used from the HVF for direct mail and online solicitations solely for Clinton, meaning the small donor return would only benefit one campaign and not be disbursed amongst the committee. The letter further states that the HVF is paying Clinton campaign staffers on an over reimbursement basis, allowing the committee to inject large sums of money into her campaign at any given time.

A recent filing with Federal Elections Committee cited that over 9 million dollars was given to HFA by HVF while less than 2 million was disbursed to the other committee members.

////////

24 million bucks she used that was supposed to be for downrace tickets

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
17. Nice job they've done of expressing how important it is for Bernie's supporters...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

...to get out and vote!

I love it!

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
21. Why should I put any stock in 538? If I recall, Silver was wrong on Sanders' viability...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

...as a candidate right from the start.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
25. You don't have to put any stock in gravity if you don't want to either
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

That's the terrible beauty of math. It doesn't care if you "believe."

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
28. 27 times, Hillary said she'd release her speech transcripts.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

See how easy it is to play your game? Just go listen to her debate statements. Each one became more restrictive until she added the Sanders tax return caveat.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
37. I posted evidence, you posted fantasy and blather
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

I'll throw it again, now, see if you can go get the ball!

"In October, as they gathered at a hotel outside Las Vegas to prepare for the first Democratic debate, Mr. Sanders’s advisers urged him to challenge Mrs. Clinton over accepting $675,000 from Goldman Sachs for delivering three speeches, according to two Sanders advisers. They thought the speaking fees meshed with the senator’s message about Wall Street excess and a rigged America. But Mr. Sanders, hunched over a U-shaped conference table, rejected it as a personal attack on Mrs. Clinton’s income — the sort of character assault he has long opposed. She has the right to make money, he offered."

Taken from Bernie's "autopsy." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton.html?

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
44. No, your OP cited David Brock's crap site.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

So, then you scramble to find a Hillary endorsed paper for more dirt. You try changing rules midstream. Your original post was about 27 times Bernie discussed the NY primary. Now your on to Bernie's original thoughts on her speech money. Sounds like a bipolar issue.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
46. No, I posted direct quotes. You failed to do the same.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:06 PM
Apr 2016

The fact that you don't like facts because they are published with sources not approved by the glorious leader of your "revolution" does, unfortunately for you, not stop them from being facts. They are direct quotes from Sanders and the campaign.

You are the one who trotted off subject with the speeches. Turns out Sanders is the one of two minds on the issue. Not convenient but still; factual. Nice of you to trivialize mental illness though. That's awesome.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
48. I'm not trivializing mental illness.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

Reading your "all over the board" responses concerns me. You started with one topic then responded with something totally different. If you honestly can't see that, I feel really sad for you. But I just want you to get help.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
49. So now you show yourself to be disingenuous as well as insensitive.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

The "one topic" I responded to in this sub-thread was your assertion (not backed up with links or evidence) concerning the speeches.

I responded on the subject of speeches with links and more direct quotes.

You then poo-poo'd the information because the sources are not revolution approved and then trivialized mental illness -and now you're doubling down with obviously feigned concern.

It's called a hole, and you should put the shovel down now.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
30. We don't need to win NY
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

We do need you to send us another $27.00
So we can continue to fight and not win
in PA and MD.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
31. He has to win closed primary states.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

This isn't about being passionate for one candidate or another, this is about the numbers and the game that Bernie signed up for. In order to win the Democratic Primary, he must land big in the closed primary states. He must convince Democrats that he's the man who best represents their interests. He must convince them that his policy goals and positions are also their policy goals and positions.

Simply being the cool, hip, outsider sticking it to the "man" won't do it. This is the game he volunteered for. These are the rules he accepted by coming over to the Democratic Party. If he wants the tools and toys the Democrats have, he has to earn that right by appealing to Democrats that he's the man for the job.

It doesn't matter about corruption in the party. It doesn't matter about name recognition and old habits dying hard. All of that was part of the package Bernie accepted when he joined the party. He has to get party Democrats behind him and not Hillary. That window of opportunity is rapidly closing. Pity, because I'd like to see a progressive run in the GE for a change.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
32. I think the relevant point here is
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:33 PM
Apr 2016

that many of his supporters seem to think he is as pure as the driven snow and take standard campaign spin as gospel.

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