She'll move on with her campaign.
Some of Bernies won't support or vote for her.
Most of them will.

Bernie will be a footnote.

to worry about her campaign.

And unlimited money to pay them.

I'm not worried at all.

good for you, that a pretty heavy rock to move.

Of course I'm not denying it. It's the truth.
Why shouldn't she have the best lawyers.

Of course she'll have the money to pay them.

What about that is damning?
I guess she should be pure and use a public defender.
Or be really pure and not ever defend herself from the RW crap.

Why not appoint an overworked, underpaid public defender to show equality for the law for both a poor drug dealer and a corporate scam artist with dirty hands as a mafioso?

But some are more equal than others.

Why does she deserve a better team of lawyers than a small time pot dealer from Harlem?

If he can pay the retainer or if the lawyer takes his case pro bono.

Interesting location choice. Of all the places in the world, you choose that particular location.

Careful, your slip is showing.

But we shall see.

It's in the constitution that she has a right to defend herself.

If I had to defend myself I'd get the best lawyer I could afford.

I'm sure in the lawsuits Bernie is pressing he's using a first year lawyer because otherwise it wouldn't
be fair.

I think this is one of the reasons that Bernie is staying in it.

I find it odd that you think money and lawyers will get her out of this.

Do some reading.

same RW crap I've been hearing for 25 years.

I drop off the online conversation when the person isn't logical.

If you think Hillary sending classified and top secret information over a private, unsecured server, that the President didn't know about, is a right-wing concern...

This will affect our Democratic party and our Democratic elections. I don't give a shit what Republicans say.

Same unsubstaniated RW smear.

I'm sure this time it's really something tho.

I suggest you do some reading. This is a very serious situation.

Very very serious.
She's done for this time.

Until then tho she's winning.

that needs top lawyers and big bucks because no one tells her what she can or cannot do.

Hillary has been a target of RW smears for 25 years and she's not
only still standing, she's winning.

Politically

Corrupt FASCIST ESTABLISHMENT BULLSHIT... INCLUDING THE OWNED CORRUPT MEDIA! Younger people WILL NOT GO FOR Her Crap! EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS CLEARLY THAT YOU CANNOT TRUST HILLARY CLINTON AS FAR AS YOU CAN THROW HER... AND THAT WOULD NOT BE VERY FAR!

polls very favorably among Democrats and is leading in delegates
by a large number.

Bernies revolution is just a political sideshow.
I know the Bernie faithful have bought into it but this time next year
Bernie will be a footnote.

Keep writing in all caps tho. That might be just the spark the revolution needs.

You've missed the burny memo. Facts have no place in this election, and will not be tolerated. This is about Idealism.. Get with the program!


(oh, and a huge LOL at the ALL CAPS ref

Jesus, wioth some of the comments, has this become the Rush Limbaugh Conservative Talking Points Forum


Bash them Hippies.

it will all work out. Democrats are what? Twenty-nine percent of the population? I sure that with Hillary's 'experienced' leadership, and the DNC's support, we can see that number continue to shrink down.

You know the party Bernie joined to run for president.

That reply was to a comment that Democrats are only 29% of the electorate.
The Democrats are who Bernie has to appel to and so far he's not done that.

Hillary has which is why she wiped him out in places like NC FL OH

Crowds at a rally or yard signs or bumper stickers
or the fact that everybody you know voted for Bernie doesn't really mean anything.

The undisputable fact is she cleaned his clock in the swing states that have already voted.
FL OH VA NC.

She didn't just beat him. She buried him.
But all those people are going to sit out if the candidate they voted for wins.

vote in the general election........

Democrats, Republicans, Indies, Greens, Constitution Party.

Not sure what your point is.
Hillary isn't going to miss the perpetually disgruntled who decide to sit out.
She'll more than make that up from the middle where kitchen table issues are important.

Most voters aren't going to vote for nutters like Trump or Cruz just because they didn't get 100% of what they
want right now.

After 8 years of making slow and steady progress since the Bush trainwreck most Americans will
vote for Hillary. They're not going to vote for a return to the Bush policies.

The blue states will stay blue and the red states will stay red and the swing states will decide just like always.

She'll carry OH PA VA FL and probably NC.
All of those states that have already voted she won.

In fact she didn't just beat Bernie she buried him.

If you can back it up I'd like to see a link.

She's 2.5 million ahead of Bernie.
I'm not following the GOP trainwreck but it was published after the last set of primaries.

Her campaign has almost guaranteed that we'll get trounced come Nov.

and still 2.5 million ahead of Bernie.
that makes him what, 6-7 million behind the GOP.

When Hillary ultimately becomes the nominee, Sanders (himself) is going to endorse her. That's a given. Bernie is not interested in fracturing the party in the way that Trump is interested in fracturing the Republican party.

Hillary is politically savvy, and she is going to be smart enough to LISTEN to some of the ideas that Bernie has put forth. There will be a coming together. We will not have a fractured convention. The Republicans will.

to some of Bernie's ideas, but if by some chance she becomes POTUS, she won't follow through.
Anything to get elected...

Go, Hillary!!!

but what has that got to do with what I posted?

I don't agree with your assessment that she won't listen. She is politically savvy enough to know she will have to bend on some issues. She's done it in the past. She will also want a second term.

Have a great evening. I'm going to listen to her victory speech.

fortunately for the nation, she doesn't think like you.

The Clinton campaign knows they have to actively assimilate Sanders supporters and are trying to devise a way of doing that, they're just discovering that they don't really know how to do that. They've underestimated exactly how much everybody that isn't a supporter really hates her...there are few people who are really "meh." about Clinton. You either love her or you think she's the devil...not much in the middle. The only other person I've ever seen run for President with such extremes and get this far is Donald Trump.

and voters start to seriously think
about the difference between Hillary and whichever
nutter the GOP puts up the assimilation will happen.

Hillary will welcome all of Bernies supporters and thank them for being
involved in the process.
Bernie will endorse her.

The Democratic Party will move forward and the revolution will fizzle.

What's going to fizzle isn't the "revolution"...it's Hillary's electability.

Their own internal estimates have them losing enough Sanders supporters to make a win in November "difficult." They hoped it would play like you think it will but now they know that it will not...they will have to actively bribe Sanders supporters to choose her over "Sanders write-in" or "fuck you, not voting for her!" Not all of them...but enough of them that she has a problem.

Problem is...many of them want nothing from her.

37% of Sanders supporters say they will not vote for Hillary under any condition, even if Bernie endorses her. There's no thinking about difference needed...you don't realize the degree to which they hate her and how much of that is not reverseable. It's a unilateral opposition...not about who she is running against and entirely about denying her the Presidency being a virtuous goal in its own right.

Personally, if she's the nominee...I'm writing in Sanders regardless. The revolution isn't going to fizzle...it's going to outlast the Clinton monster.

No Hillary ever!

supporting Bernie wouldn't ever vote for Hillary.
That's why the jumped on the Bernie wagon.
But they weren't Democrats to begin with and wouldn't be
carrying Bernie now except to stick it hillary.

She'll get enough crossover and indie votes to put her over the top.

The revolution will fizzle as soon as the rallies stop and the shiny wears off.

I don't think you know your history. You sure as heck aren't recognizing the decline and death throes of the Democratic Party. FDR would be dismayed at the current decline of what he accomplished.

Unlike you, we are trying to prevent the next devastating economic crisis. There is another grand theft on the horizon. Hillary and her Wall St. buddies aren't including you in the club of those getting obscenely wealthy.

Unlike you, we object to corruption which is running rampant and amok. Currently, laws are not for elite. Not only will there be another grand theft economically, but theft of rights in labor with the eventual passage of TPP.

Putting a lid on us is only bringing the boil up. HRC is not going to win the general. She needs independents and progressives and we aren't buying what she is selling.

The far right and left won't vote for her of course.
Kitchen table issues and the people who vote those issues
will more than make up for the loss of the revolutionaries.

It's been 8 years since the Bush fiasco.
Things are getting a better a little bit at a time.
Average American voters aren't going to torpedo that because progressive revolutionaries don't think
it's going fast enough.

They realize that Trump or Cruz sets things back another 10 years.
The revolution is mostly the perpetually disgruntled.
They're always angry and they're always willing to torpedo anything that they don't 100% agree with.

This seasons revolutionaries are the same people who were all in for President Obama but have since thrown
him under the bus because there are limits on what he can get done.

Bernie is a social critic. He's spent 25 useless years in Washington pointing out that everybody but him is tainted
and tilting at windmills.

The long feared split may be happening.

Average Americans in swing states like OH FL VA NC
PA aren't going to vote Trump or Cruz because Bernies supporters
who mostly aren't Democrats anyway are disgruntled.

I'm going to stick with it.

And we will die.


Good pep talk coach.

You're welcome.

Everyone is saying on the MSM that they will come around. I don't think so this time. It's not the same as with Obama.

What we have done matters and has made history.

We've put standing up to corporate power on the agenda. HRC can't refuse to fight the 1%.

+1

... for her now will be preplaced by the people who hate Trump

Anyone who would vote for Trump over Hillary wasn't a progressive anyway... it's that easy.

... would be intelligent enough to understand that in the American political system there are more than the two Coke/Pepsi corporate asshole options.

I would be wrong.

having all that stripped away along with the possibility of voter rights protections being restored. Calling that a choice between Coke and Pepsi is pretty damn unreal.

Fail.

Try again.

Fucking corporate Coke/Pepsi candidates is the precise truth.

.

... can not

If Hillary is the nominee--we will be faced with two candidates that we hate.

Both Trump and Hilllary are horrendously unappealing to the majority of Americans. The latest polls reflect that.

As a result--many will stay home.

I repeat their beliefs. I watched Bill Maher, he voiced my concern that if folks vote Green the result will be Nader in 2000 and we will have Cruz which will be worse than W.

Hopeless.

and watch the party become irrelevant.

This is a popularity contest, and "she doesn't suck as bad as Trump or Cruz" is the opposite of motivation.

Clearly that will appeal to the grassroots.

Will Clinton draw the Bernie supporters or will they join the majority of Americans who have an unfavorable opinion of her?
My guess is not all Bernie supporters will cross over to her.
I would also venture that it is more likely that Trump supporters would cross over to Bernie than Bernie supporters will go for Clinton.
I see winter approaching.

Who say they will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee?

You see, your thoughts simply don't hold true on face value. But your comments a very personal and are based in feelings of self importance, not reality.

You know what has hurt the US? For decades?

Allowing Clintonian "Centrism" to take the Democrats to the right & from being the party for People to the Wall Street Corporate party.

Back then, when my first vote was for Clinton, THAT is what helped the problem today. I thought I was doing good. I was so wrong.

NO MORE.

Democrats need to BE Democrats.

social programs. If those mean nothing to you so be it.

on.

Every.single.one

to weigh in on all of that, and are unable to distinguish a difference, who am I to try to argue with you.

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Because of the popular activism of both men & women. It was social pressure, just like gay marriage today.

Lesser Evil voting is not doing US any favors at all.

Thanks for sharing that about Roe V Wade that's interesting and I don't know anything about that and will take your word on it. I hope it stays with us. RBG is pretty old and needs to step down I imagine. She is not the only one getting up there in years either.


I was reading earlier that Ted Cruz tried to make it illegal to sell dildos in Texas. They compared it to hiring a prostitute if I remember correctly. Funny stuff.

If you want to bring up what people did as a lawyer, Hillary's past isn't so great there either, and the punchline isn't quite so funny.

However that's not to say that Ted Cruz that isn't a crazy religious zealot jerk who would drive the country off a cliff and into a tornado.

I just don't want to have to vote like I have a gun to my head. Hillary would make me feel that way, while Bernie for a lot of reasons is a person who I could vote for with confidence. I'd love if I personally could somehow support Hillary more, but I just can't see that happening for the life of me, because I just don't think I'll see eye-to-eye with her platform.

He wanted to take the dildo case to the supreme court by the way. Again, yes, I am serious

I don't think I compared anything. (Are you talking about Ruth Bader Ginsberg as opposed to Scalia? If so, I see zero reason to have a problem with that comparison. RBG was even appointed by Bill Clinton... and Cruz is a real live Christian fundamentalist, I assume he'd appoint other real live Christian fundamentalists who would make a lot of the big decisions about my life and my society. So maybe Scalia isn't a strong enough example of the negative side.)

As for the rest I couldn't feel good about voting for Sanders. I'm sorry that you feel like there's a gun to your head about voting.

I was actually calling back to something else, but it's a bit of a nasty attack and so I don't want to get into it since it's completely uncalled for. I'm frustrated right now, but thank you for being a good, civil person.

Cruz is simply no good, making sure he gets nowhere is an absolute no-brainer I think, no matter who you are.

Ah well. Hopefully something works out and I do hope the Sanders movement isn't just abandoned if Hillary becomes the nominee. Congrats on your win tonight!

Not trying to condescend but I thought that showed a lot of character. Oh I see. Still, not too bad, and thanks.

You guys have a lot of passion, work hard, and are really fired up.

clinton won't have oversight on business.she would go along with cutting to social programs to fund more war.

the primarys have shows she cares nothing about voting rights.

she said she would be willing to compromise on abortion rights.

back in 2004 she said marriage was for one man and one woman.

Cherry-picking. I'm only getting into debunking problems with one thing you brought up.

You say being willing to have limitations on late term abortions (near end of pregnancy) that allow for exceptions for mother's health.

is = to

outlawing it completely. (btw that doesn't reduce abortions at all. It just kills and injures women, who have to go do it anyway.)


If you think those things are equal then you are being an idiot.

Cruz doesn't even have an exception for rape by the way.

You need to speak to people with respect if you expect to be listened to.

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How fucking insulting can you be?

There are no plans to assimilate anyone. Hillary will simply, in all likelihood, win the Democratic nomination. She will then launch a campaign for the presidency, ASKING people to vote for her. That's when the REAL presidential race begins.

People who don't want the Republican candidate to win, if they have any brains in their head or if they are not too privileged to care what happens to the country, will then vote for her. Those who are privileged and idiotic enough to not care if someone like Trump or Cruz becomes president of the United States, will not vote for her. It's as simple as that.

Or something like that.

"I would NEVER vote for Clinton."

So, not exactly big news.

Weigh your choices. Vote for who you want .

Do what you feel is best for the country and it's people.

Any responsible citizen would.

the Republican could get in. That will be disastrous, especially for those of us outside America.

Gaming the system to get a 'd' next to her name doesn't make Hillary better for you.

policies.

They'll be stripped of being the opposition party & being able to truly oppose conservative legislation if Hillary is there lobbying for it all.

I appreciate your domestic concerns, but for those of us outside America the choice between Sanders and Clinton is academic. Cruz or Trump would be a disaster globally, Clinton or Sanders wouldn't.

Here in Japan, we favored Bernie by 87-13%

Clearly, some of us Americans abroad don't see the choice between Bernie and Hillary as "academic"

It's not just Americans who live outside of America, but a whole bunch of other people. The fact that you can dismiss us so easily does not bode well for any potential Sanders presidency.

Who am I dismissing? You claimed that the differences between Hillary and Bernie were "academic" among overseas Americans. However, if that were the case, the results between Bernie and Hillary would not have been so great in the Democrats Abroad primary. In fact, one could even presume that if it were really "6 of one, half a dozen of the other", that overseas Democrats would favor the more recognizable and conventional candidate. But Bernie won with 69% of the vote. And he won here in Japan by 87-13%.

That was you. The fact that you view outside America as expatriate Americans shows the bias in your thinking. Most people outside America don't even know who Sanders is, they know who Trump is though, and what a very real threat he is.

Has already started with Bill "standing up" to BLM.

She is very flexible.

and my home of record is a deep red state. So essentially, she can screw off, she's not getting my vote.

Bill inflicted more long term damage on this country than a Republican could have and I would expect the same from her. I won't vote Republican but I will not vote for her either.

and their ideological brethren in a fit of self-destructive pique.

If Syria cannot have a functioning democracy, I can acknowledge that Bashar Assad is the 'lesser of two evils' in Syria. If Bernie does not win the Democratic nomination, I can acknowledge that Hillary is the 'lesser of two evils' in the US. I may not be thrilled in either case, but life is not always about being thrilled with your choices.

what is it that you want? If Bernie doesn't get the nom, what should happen?

I'm not condemning my brothers and sisters in arms to the foreign relations disaster that would be a Clinton presidency.

Another crash, another bailout, possibly WWIII, more Flints, more schools crumbing, internet freedom squashed, BigAg unfettered, Abortion rights further diminished, more jobs outsourced & offshored.....

She is too purchased to be good for US.

Jill Stein if not Bernie.